In hindsight, this outcome is not that surprising. This is Mark Gronowski's sixth year as a starting college QB.

SeaBee_Gopher

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2022
Messages
505
Reaction score
595
Points
93
I must say, I'm glad I went and worked in my yard after we fell behind 31-0 or I'd probably be just as worked up as the rest of you. I feel better today because I was actually productive yesterday and have some perspective. Let me point out a few things after going back and watching the rest of the game:

1) QB is the most important position in football and Iowa has a very good one, maybe a GREAT one. Why shouldn't he be after SIX years as a college starter! Max Brosmer will be a better pro than Mark Gronowski, but Mark is a better college QB. He doesn't look flashy, but he is very seasoned and smart and it showed. His legs really help him especially in the college game and so does his savvy. He's very similar to Diego Pavia for Vanderbilt. Drake Lindsey needs to get in a little better shape to improve his mobility. He'll never be Mark, but he can have better mobility than he does now.

2) The Nebraska outcome tricked a lot of us, including me, into thinking we had a good chance against Iowa. We did not. We've struggled against bad P4/G5 schools this year. The Nebraska game was a 10% probability outcome in our favor and things evened out one week later against Iowa. I think we win 5 out of 10 games against Nebraska. The teams are equal. They aren't that good either.

3) This is a really good Iowa team. They hung with Indiana and many think would have beaten Indiana if Mark hadn't gotten hurt during the game. No one would be surprised if we played Indiana this year and they hung 50 on us. This just stings worse because it's IOWA! Ugh!!!

4) We were outclassed, but also unlucky and undisciplined:
a) I wondered why Wetjen scored so easy on that punt return and we looked so slow. Both our two gunners on the outside ran past the play and our guy on the left allowed himself to get pushed all the way over to the right. Terrible discipline.
b) Our end lost contain on that first Mark Gronowski touchdown. Seriously, he's known for his legs and you lose contain? That happened multiple times.
c) Three interceptions by our freshman QB! Ouch.
d) Iowa got first downs by inches a couple times early on 3rd and 4th downs that could have ended drives and helped us keep things closer.
e) John Nestor left Iowa because he was struggling to get on the field and became our starting corner. That's a sign they are a lot more talented than us. I will continue to beat the drum that he should be a safety, not a corner. We are just very weak at corner this year so he's plugging the hole in the dike.

4) This was a 10% outcome for us vs. Iowa on the downside. OK, actually a 20% outcome, they are just a lot better than us this year. Their coaches are better too. When will Kirk Ferentz & Phil Parker finally retire? We at Minnesota and Wisconsin are tired of them beating up on us!!! They are two of the best coaches ever in the college game. We're very unlucky they have been at Iowa all this time. They've made Iowa as good as they could possibly be.

5) As I've said before, but was tricked into forgetting when we beat down Nebraska, we were better last year and will be better next year. This year we're not that good.

Thoughts? And no, I haven't read any of the other message strings yet because I figured they would be extremely depressing. If you already said something intelligent there, I missed it.
 

I must say, I'm glad I went and worked in my yard after we fell behind 31-0 or I'd probably be just as worked up as the rest of you. I feel better today because I was actually productive yesterday and have some perspective. Let me point out a few things after going back and watching the rest of the game:

1) QB is the most important position in football and Iowa has a very good one, maybe a GREAT one. Why shouldn't he be after SIX years as a college starter! Max Brosmer will be a better pro than Mark Gronowski, but Mark is a better college QB. He doesn't look flashy, but he is very seasoned and smart and it showed. His legs really help him especially in the college game and so does his savvy. He's very similar to Diego Pavia for Vanderbilt. Drake Lindsey needs to get in a little better shape to improve his mobility. He'll never be Mark, but he can have better mobility than he does now.

2) The Nebraska outcome tricked a lot of us, including me, into thinking we had a good chance against Iowa. We did not. We've struggled against bad P4/G5 schools this year. The Nebraska game was a 10% probability outcome in our favor and things evened out one week later against Iowa. I think we win 5 out of 10 games against Nebraska. The teams are equal. They aren't that good either.

3) This is a really good Iowa team. They hung with Indiana and many think would have beaten Indiana if Mark hadn't gotten hurt during the game. No one would be surprised if we played Indiana this year and they hung 50 on us. This just stings worse because it's IOWA! Ugh!!!

4) We were outclassed, but also unlucky and undisciplined:
a) I wondered why Wetjen scored so easy on that punt return and we looked so slow. Both our two gunners on the outside ran past the play and our guy on the left allowed himself to get pushed all the way over to the right. Terrible discipline.
b) Our end lost contain on that first Mark Gronowski touchdown. Seriously, he's known for his legs and you lose contain? That happened multiple times.
c) Three interceptions by our freshman QB! Ouch.
d) Iowa got first downs by inches a couple times early on 3rd and 4th downs that could have ended drives and helped us keep things closer.
e) John Nestor left Iowa because he was struggling to get on the field and became our starting corner. That's a sign they are a lot more talented than us. I will continue to beat the drum that he should be a safety, not a corner. We are just very weak at corner this year so he's plugging the hole in the dike.

4) This was a 10% outcome for us vs. Iowa on the downside. OK, actually a 20% outcome, they are just a lot better than us this year. Their coaches are better too. When will Kirk Ferentz & Phil Parker finally retire? We at Minnesota and Wisconsin are tired of them beating up on us!!! They are two of the best coaches ever in the college game. We're very unlucky they have been at Iowa all this time. They've made Iowa as good as they could possibly be.

5) As I've said before, but was tricked into forgetting when we beat down Nebraska, we were better last year and will be better next year. This year we're not that good.

Thoughts? And no, I haven't read any of the other message strings yet because I figured they would be extremely depressing. If you already said something intelligent there, I missed it.
I have no disagreements
 


I must say, I'm glad I went and worked in my yard after we fell behind 31-0 or I'd probably be just as worked up as the rest of you. I feel better today because I was actually productive yesterday and have some perspective. Let me point out a few things after going back and watching the rest of the game:

1) QB is the most important position in football and Iowa has a very good one, maybe a GREAT one. Why shouldn't he be after SIX years as a college starter! Max Brosmer will be a better pro than Mark Gronowski, but Mark is a better college QB. He doesn't look flashy, but he is very seasoned and smart and it showed. His legs really help him especially in the college game and so does his savvy. He's very similar to Diego Pavia for Vanderbilt. Drake Lindsey needs to get in a little better shape to improve his mobility. He'll never be Mark, but he can have better mobility than he does now.

2) The Nebraska outcome tricked a lot of us, including me, into thinking we had a good chance against Iowa. We did not. We've struggled against bad P4/G5 schools this year. The Nebraska game was a 10% probability outcome in our favor and things evened out one week later against Iowa. I think we win 5 out of 10 games against Nebraska. The teams are equal. They aren't that good either.

3) This is a really good Iowa team. They hung with Indiana and many think would have beaten Indiana if Mark hadn't gotten hurt during the game. No one would be surprised if we played Indiana this year and they hung 50 on us. This just stings worse because it's IOWA! Ugh!!!

4) We were outclassed, but also unlucky and undisciplined:
a) I wondered why Wetjen scored so easy on that punt return and we looked so slow. Both our two gunners on the outside ran past the play and our guy on the left allowed himself to get pushed all the way over to the right. Terrible discipline.
b) Our end lost contain on that first Mark Gronowski touchdown. Seriously, he's known for his legs and you lose contain? That happened multiple times.
c) Three interceptions by our freshman QB! Ouch.
d) Iowa got first downs by inches a couple times early on 3rd and 4th downs that could have ended drives and helped us keep things closer.
e) John Nestor left Iowa because he was struggling to get on the field and became our starting corner. That's a sign they are a lot more talented than us. I will continue to beat the drum that he should be a safety, not a corner. We are just very weak at corner this year so he's plugging the hole in the dike.

4) This was a 10% outcome for us vs. Iowa on the downside. OK, actually a 20% outcome, they are just a lot better than us this year. Their coaches are better too. When will Kirk Ferentz & Phil Parker finally retire? We at Minnesota and Wisconsin are tired of them beating up on us!!! They are two of the best coaches ever in the college game. We're very unlucky they have been at Iowa all this time. They've made Iowa as good as they could possibly be.

5) As I've said before, but was tricked into forgetting when we beat down Nebraska, we were better last year and will be better next year. This year we're not that good.

Thoughts? And no, I haven't read any of the other message strings yet because I figured they would be extremely depressing. If you already said something intelligent there, I missed it.
Thought about Max immediately with the title. Blind squirrel eventually finds a nut as the saying goes. Same with I-O-W-A. They would eventually find a QB that worked for them and they have...of course due to The Portal and not the old fashioned way getting selected as a Freshman and working your way up. Bet HC Ferentz loves The Portal now.
 



He's a better leader than a QB. Not the best footwork a doesn't see open WRs very well.

His running ability is huge because a defense has to account for him where most Iowa QBs you don't have to worry about that at all. But as a passer isn't a huge threat.

His backup QB is a good athlete too so Iowa can afford to run Gronowski a bit more than they normally want to because they won't have to completely change their game plan with their backup in.
 


On what planet is Gronowski considered a good or great QB?
Yesterday in Iowa City: Big running QBs have been kryptonite for Minnesota forever. See Kalizmicki (sp?) in the ‘79 Minnesota-Wisconsin and then forever more. It’s weird. Also see Seabee’s point 4(e). Just throw it in the general direction of the wide receiver.
 




Yesterday in Iowa City: Big running QBs have been kryptonite for Minnesota forever. See Kalizmicki (sp?) in the ‘79 Minnesota-Wisconsin and then forever more. It’s weird. Also see Seabee’s point 4(e). Just throw it in the general direction of the wide receiver.
He threw for 135 yards, rushed for 24 yards. By any number of statistics he is the worst QB in the Big Ten this year. I agree that he is tough, and injuries have weighed him down. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s basically had a season so far extremely similar to Mitch’s senior year.
 

The 6-6 to 7-5 prediction included some pretty lopsided ouches due to a RS fresh QB having growing pains. My guess was losing 30-13 because it was not a good matchup. Turned out to be a bit worse.

This year:
Gophers not good at stopping the run. Iowa is run heavy. Favors Iowa.
Gophers not good at running. Iowa is good against the pass. Favors Iowa.

Regarding coaching. I don't know. We get what we pay for? I'm game for changes concerning the OL (coaches, transfers, this needs fixing now). Stopping the run-wise, Danny Collins has got some growing to do. There's potential there. I'm patient so far but...
 


With Iowa's dominant defense, they even held Cignatti and Indiana to a low score, they don't need Gronowski to single handedly beat teams. Just to not turn it over and move the chains. That punt return guy is crazy fast and they got him as a walk on. Iowa has a great defense. Norm Parker is really good defensive coordinator, that and he makes more than 2 million dollars.
 
Last edited:



Iowa QB play was about 50th on the list of reasons why Iowa humiliated the Gophers yesterday. If Iowa had Vic Viramontes at QB, they'd have won by a similar score.
 

5) As I've said before, but was tricked into forgetting when we beat down Nebraska, we were better last year and will be better next year. This year we're not that good.

Thoughts? And no, I haven't read any of the other message strings yet because I figured they would be extremely depressing. If you already said something intelligent there, I missed it.

Agreed. We lost a lot from last season. Drake eventually may be better than Max Brosmer but he isn't right now. We lost our two top receivers. Neither was much of a deep threat but they sure could catch the ball and Jackson was particularly good at doing it while defended. We lost key linemen. From the defense, they lost Walley, Jack Henderson, Lindenberg, Striggow, Ethan Robinson, and Jah Joyner.

I was concerned after these losses but I trusted that Fleck's transfers and emerging underclassmen would fill the void well enough. So far, they haven't.

After the 2023 season, Fleck apparently didn't trust Athan enough to abstain from recruiting someone more experienced that he thought could replace him. Will he have similar thoughts in this offseason?
 



Getting beaten handily by Iowa wouldn't be surprising. Getting blown out 41-3 like we're playing an Ohio State team stacked with top end talent though? We should expect better than that at this point in Fleck's tenure.
tOSU was because they were that much better and we went in with a plan to not make any mistakes and they just slowly pulled away.

Iowa was mistake after mistake by offense and special teams. Two completely different games.

I also agree that Iowa is good and may make the playoffs.
 




Top Bottom