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and what is that? that our bumbling, clueless, just gotta keep the women's rowing, women's tennis and non-revenue baseball teams happy AD will likely end up driving tubby freakin' smith out of town through his ineptitude, broken promises and just plain lack of real strategic vision.

maturi is simply a glorified budget administrator, NOT a big time, big ten AD. it is time to start the search for a revenue sport-centric (read football, basketball & hockey) AD now.

where do we sign up for the dump joel maturi campaign? i will distribute the literature! ;)
 


Joel maturi should retire while he is on top of the Non-revenue producing sports world! Maturi is like an ICON in a fantasy world of video games and pinball machines....No-one really cares if you score 10 touchdowns in Maddon2010, or shoot a score a 68 in Tiger Woods golf...but--we can sure give Joel a pat on the back for his super achievements in minor sports while we stand pat and lose the only person left in his department with a vision to create a long standing winning program.
 

The Ghost of Bierman said:
and what is that? that our bumbling, clueless, just gotta keep the women's rowing, women's tennis and non-revenue baseball teams happy AD will likely end up driving tubby freakin' smith out of town through his ineptitude, broken promises and just plain lack of real strategic vision.

maturi is simply a glorified budget administrator, NOT a big time, big ten AD. it is time to start the search for a revenue sport-centric (read football, basketball & hockey) AD now.

where do we sign up for the dump joel maturi campaign? i will distribute the literature! ;)
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Sadly, I basically agree. Maturi seems like a nice enough guy. He's just not cut out for the bigger aspects of this job. I'm sure he was great at Miami-Ohio.
 

The Ghost of Bierman said:
and what is that? that our bumbling, clueless, just gotta keep the women's rowing, women's tennis and non-revenue baseball teams happy AD will likely end up driving tubby freakin' smith out of town through his ineptitude, broken promises and just plain lack of real strategic vision.

maturi is simply a glorified budget administrator, NOT a big time, big ten AD. it is time to start the search for a revenue sport-centric (read football, basketball & hockey) AD now.

where do we sign up for the dump joel maturi campaign? i will distribute the literature! ;)
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Can't blame Maturi for women's tennis and women's rowing taking money, I'm not a history buff, but I'm pretty sure LBJ didn't consult with Joel Maturi when signed Title IX into effect
 


What the hell happened to, "some here need to chill out. stop reacting like complete fools at every tubby rumor."

Now we need to fire the AD because Tubby is leaving? Wow, bipolar much.

(I actually agree with your statement but what a difference 24 hours makes.)
 

Maturi is perpetuating his on problems with his ineptitude. He wants to commit money to sports no one ever hears of unless they are on the team, yet this detracts money from the projects for the actual money winners on campus, hindering them, thus hindering cash flow, and trickling back down to his pet projects.

Just build the damn practice facility. its not that hard. yea we just built a stadium but hell, why not overhaul everything and be set for a long long time, and as the AD your tenure will go down in history as the one what kickstarted a minn sports revolution, not the one that blundered it back into oblivion
 

They should hire Alvarez. Throw about 5M per year at him, he'd turn things around.
 

ColNathanJessup said:
What the hell happened to, "some here need to chill out. stop reacting like complete fools at every tubby rumor."

Now we need to fire the AD because Tubby is leaving? Wow, bipolar much.

(I actually agree with your statement but what a difference 24 hours makes.)
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what the "hell" you say? again, chill out bud. take "other threads" that weren't even directed at you personally a little too personally much?! sheesh! :rolleyes:

anyways, you are wrong and it is a big difference. i wasn't responding to another speculative coaching rumor thread about tubby here. i was simply sharing my long held personal belief of what joel maturi WILL eventually reap within the athletic department that he is charged to run. tubby is just going to be an unfortunate casualty of what joel maturi has sowed and will sow.

again......big difference.
 




I'm not really concerned about Maturi "running off" Tubby per se as much as I'm concerned about what Maturi would come up with if Tubby did move on to another school. For the record, I would be really surprised if Tubby left, but I have little faith in Maturi to make a good hire in such a case. He's apparently completely satisfied with letting the hockey program go down the tubes and has been conducting what amounts to an experiment with Brewster (whom he admits is still learning how to coach). In other words, I don't want him "experimenting" with the basketball program, which I could definitely see happening.
 

What do you all suggest Maturi do in order to ensure his current head basketball coach says no to Oregon? Just curious.
 

What do you all suggest Maturi do in order to ensure his current head basketball coach says no to Oregon? Just curious.
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Hands, knees, practice facility, blow job, you know, the usual stuff.
 



tjgopher said:
What do you all suggest Maturi do in order to ensure his current head basketball coach says no to Oregon? Just curious.
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Give him a contract extension and a raise for one. Pay him his bonus money on time, not 60 days late for two. Do everything possible to fast-track the practice facility for three.
 

howeda7 said:
Give him a contract extension and a raise for one. Pay him his bonus money on time, not 60 days late for two. Do everything possible to fast-track the practice facility for three.
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How long do you extend him and for how much? How high would you go?
 

howeda7 said:
Give him a contract extension and a raise for one. Pay him his bonus money on time, not 60 days late for two. Do everything possible to fast-track the practice facility for three.
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Have you cut your check yet for the practice facility?
 

tjgopher said:
How long do you extend him and for how much? How high would you go?
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I couldn't tell you exactly. That's why Joel Maturi gets paid big bucks. :D But it's fair to say that Brewster got a two-year extension after year three, so Tubby should get that at minimum. I'd probably go 3 years to put him back to his original contract term. As for the raise, as much as is reasonable. I know the U is not flush with cash right now, but a bump of $200K or so should not be unreasonable.

If a raise to his base salary is truly not doable due to the salary freeze, then as with Brewster simply bump his incentives. Instead of $100K for making the tournament, make it $200 or $300K, etc. Frankly, I fully expect us to make the tournament for the next several years if Tubby stays, so it's the same difference. And if we don't, he's got nothing to complain about.
 

Maximus said:
Have you cut your check yet for the practice facility?
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Not yet. But I did get information from Maturi where to send it, so I will. I'm afraid it will be very small though. More the thought that counts. Have you?
 

howeda7 said:
I couldn't tell you exactly. That's why Joel Maturi gets paid big bucks. :D But it's fair to say that Brewster got a two-year extension after year three, so Tubby should get that at minimum. I'd probably go 3 years to put him back to his original contract term. As for the raise, as much as is reasonable. I know the U is not flush with cash right now, but a bump of $200K or so should not be unreasonable.
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If Maturi did that and Tubby still left, would you still find fault in Maturi?
 

tjgopher said:
If Maturi did that and Tubby still left, would you still find fault in Maturi?
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Signifcantly less fault. Obivously, Tubby's upset about the practice facility, but I do understand that Maturi can't pull $20 million out of thin air. That said he's had three years to get the ball rolling. But the only thing he can do right now to keep Tubby happy probably involve his contract, and a genuine promise to move as fast as possible on the practice facility.

I don't think it's that much about the money for Tubby. But an extension acknowledges what he's done so far, and the fact that we want him to stay. That's why most coaches get extensions when other schools come sniffing around. So far, our response to that has been to do nothing.
 

howeda7 said:
Obivously, Tubby's upset about the practice facility, but I do understand that Maturi can't pull $20 million out of thin air.
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The problem that no one wants to talk about with the practice facility is that the University just raised $100 million over the past five years for TCF Bank Stadium. That is a MAJOR project that likely tapped out many of the big donor folks for awhile. They got BIG donations from some BIG donors. Now, many of those big donors have been hit by a bad economy, etc. The U is asking, but the big donors are a little pissed. "I just gave you a million for a football stadium and now you want me to pony up even more for a practice gym?"

It is a tough time to raise money for "real" issues like cancer research, earthquake relief, food for the hungry and homeless, etc. Its likely even tougher to ask for big bucks so the college basketball team has a nice place to practice and so a potential 17-year old is impressed.

We don't have a "sugar daddy" like Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens who would just simply write a $15 million check and be done with it. No big booster that looks at the program as his little plaything.

So, Tubby needs to deal with some realities of life. I mean he can't have it both ways. If he wanted/wants a spot where he can get whatever he wants, then he should have stayed in Kentucky. He clearly wasn't comfortable there toward the end of his tenure. So, he came here. Well, there are certain realities of life here. One is that the U of M doesn't have endless resources for athletics. The revenue stream here isn't what the rest of the Big Ten is. The fundraising pool isn't as large as some others, either. Doesn't mean the U isn't committed to winning, it just takes a little extra, a little sacrifice. That sacrifice might include having to play another season or two without a luxurious place for the boys to practice. They just might have to practice in the spot where they actually play the games for a little while longer.
 

if this all does come down to a practice facility then tubby should leave now since I doubt one is going to be built for a few years. based on tubby's age and wanting to win now a job where all these things are already in place would be a good fit for him.

if tubby does leave the U should go after a young coach (brad stevens comes to mind) that is looking at a long career and can/would be willing to wait the few years for the practice facility get built and start building the program between now and the completion of the facility.
 

I think the practice facility will be finished by 2012-13, which is longer than Tubby wants to wait. But, in reality, that isn't that long. Tubby's contract is through 2014 and he'll likely get an extension, so if he stays, he'll have some quality time in it. Plus, when they get a shovel in the ground, the impact on recruiting begins before the facility would open. You can definitely recruit using the concept, drawings, sketches, and models. And, the facility seems to be more about recruiting than actual practice.
 

Well stated TJ. I'm a Tubby guy through and through and absolutely want him to WANT TO BE our coach. But if he ends up leaving citing the lack of a practice facility (in this economy) as the main reason for his departure, I can only wish him the best. If he leaves for more money, more prestige, because Donna doesn't like it here, warmer weather, etc., I can understand that. But not because we're moving to slow on a practice facility. That would be hard to stomach.

He has to understand the U has sucked it up the last couple years. U employees first received a salary freeze, and now they're facing a paycut. Playing hardball at this moment in time over a practice facility is probably not the politically smartest move in this politically correct state. Even for someone as respected as Tubby, it won't sit well with this state.
 

The Ghost of Bierman said:
and what is that? that our bumbling, clueless, just gotta keep the women's rowing, women's tennis and non-revenue baseball teams happy AD will likely end up driving tubby freakin' smith out of town through his ineptitude, broken promises and just plain lack of real strategic vision.

maturi is simply a glorified budget administrator, NOT a big time, big ten AD. it is time to start the search for a revenue sport-centric (read football, basketball & hockey) AD now.

where do we sign up for the dump joel maturi campaign? i will distribute the literature! ;)
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My idea ...

1) Replace Joel with Sid

2) Sid replaces Tubby with Close-Personal-Friend Bobby
and then
3) Sid replaces Tim with Close-Personal-Friend Bud

4) "Golden" Gophers officially change name to "GRAY" Gophers

Long range forecast:
Sid hires Chad as top assistant and heir apparent.
Bobby hires Pat as top assistant and heir apparent.
Bud hires Mike as top assistant and heir apparent.
 

Mikie S said:
My idea ...

1) Replace Joel with Sid

2) Sid replaces Tubby with Close-Personal-Friend Bobby
and then
3) Sid replaces Tim with Close-Personal-Friend Bud

4) "Golden" Gophers officially change name to "GRAY" Gophers

Long range forecast:
Sid hires Chad as top assistant and heir apparent.
Bobby hires Pat as top assistant and heir apparent.
Bud hires Mike as top assistant and heir apparent.
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Considering your incredible success at Predict the Gopher Score, I think this could all happen.
 


I agree we must rid ourselves of Maturi, the sooner the better.

There are a long list of decisions made by Maturi that I disagree with but I have heard stories that Maturi essentially kept Royce from returning to the squad and Tubby wasn't happy about it. I also get that Tubby didn't like how Maturi told him Trevor couldn't play. I think the practice facility promises are what is discussed most these days, but I think there is underlying tension beyond this issue.

We could have coaching changes in both basketball and football and I certainly don't want Maturi making those choices. While I think Tubby truly likes coaching the kids at Minnesota, I think if he gets offered significantly more money elsewhere, he'll take it. I don't think he likes the way Maturi meddles (though you'll never hear Tubby publicly grumble about it), but he can always use the "I need to take care of my family" line if a big offer comes in.
 

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