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Right?!? All the "right" did was storm the capitol and attempt a little insurrection. But they did it calmly.
Geezus howie. Lefties have been burning and rioting in our cities and the left ignores it. A few dozen deaths in the process. The Democrats fear BLM and bow to them, even when they’re committing crimes and encouraging violence against police. You remain silent.

Jan 6 was a big win for you. It gave you something to pin on ”the right” when it was, in fact, several hundred people, few of which that would describe themselves as Republicans.

You do this over and over. “MT Greene!” “Steve King!” ”They’re the Republican Party!”

Then you minimize AOC and the rest of the Squad, now numbering around 7 Dem congressmen/women.

King was destroyed by the GOP. Greene is not representative of the GOP. She’s pretty much on her own.

AOC and the Squad of 6 have more influence on the Democrat Party than MTG, and it’s not close. But you’ll be the first to yell MTG when she gets in the news.

Have AOC, Omar, Talib or any of them lost the committee assignments? Nope…but MTG!!!
 

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They weren't alleged to be autistic. They were attacked for how they dressed (by your hero Laura Ingraham IIRC) and I believe and Sasha for smoking pot or something.

But most people lay off the kids. You know this is true. The rare ones who don't are @sshats, on both sides.
Produce some articles. Let’s compare. It must have been so traumatic for the girls. It was probably racism.
 

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Geezus howie. Lefties have been burning and rioting in our cities and the left ignores it. A few dozen deaths in the process. The Democrats fear BLM and bow to them, even when they’re committing crimes and encouraging violence against police. You remain silent.

Jan 6 was a big win for you. It gave you something to pin on ”the right” when it was, in fact, several hundred people, few of which that would describe themselves as Republicans.

You do this over and over. “MT Greene!” “Steve King!” ”They’re the Republican Party!”

Then you minimize AOC and the rest of the Squad, now numbering around 7 Dem congressmen/women.

King was destroyed by the GOP. Greene is not representative of the GOP. She’s pretty much on her own.

AOC and the Squad of 6 have more influence on the Democrat Party than MTG, and it’s not close. But you’ll be the first to yell MTG when she gets in the news.

Have AOC, Omar, Talib or any of them lost the committee assignments? Nope…but MTG!!!
They almost to a person were wearing MAGA gear.
 


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That’s an exaggeration. But wearing a Trump hat certainly does not make you a Republican. I think that should be obvious from the Righty GHers alone.
It really isn’t. Go to the FBI photos. It is astonishing how much merch is being worn, and yet somehow the initial trial balloon was it was Antifa.
I‘d be pleased as punch if wearing a MAGA hat disqualified you from being a Republican. From now on, when I see one, I Will believe that about the wearer.
 


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It really isn’t. Go to the FBI photos. It is astonishing how much merch is being worn, and yet somehow the initial trial balloon was it was Antifa.
I‘d be pleased as punch if wearing a MAGA hat disqualified you from being a Republican. From now on, when I see one, I Will believe that about the wearer.
Few said it was Antifa. There was one particular, at least one, Antifa member that was instigating some of the violence though.

I have looked at the pictures. It IS an exaggeration.

If you had said that MAGA hats were worn by 50%, I wouldn’t have responded. You said “to a person”.

There were lots of hunting hats, USA hats, no hats, hoodies, etc.
 


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It really isn’t. Go to the FBI photos. It is astonishing how much merch is being worn, and yet somehow the initial trial balloon was it was Antifa.
I‘d be pleased as punch if wearing a MAGA hat disqualified you from being a Republican. From now on, when I see one, I Will believe that about the wearer.
Oh Please. By CRG?
We all know what side of the aisle virtually all those on 1/6 reside. Just like we know where the vast majority of those rioting across the US this summer reside.
 

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Oh c'mon don't have a hissy fit our favorite little runaway.

I'll tell you what, this was actually the single best argument you have ever made - - and I'm not joking.
It’s becoming more common with Jake.
 





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Oh Please. By CRG?
We all know what side of the aisle virtually all those on 1/6 reside. Just like we know where the vast majority of those rioting across the US this summer reside.
At 1:51 p.m. on Jan. 6, a right-wing radio host named Michael D. Brown wrote on Twitter that rioters had breached the United States Capitol — and immediately speculated about who was really to blame. “Antifa or BLM or other insurgents could be doing it disguised as Trump supporters,” Mr. Brown wrote, using shorthand for Black Lives Matter. “Come on, man, have you never heard of psyops?”
Only 13,000 people follow Mr. Brown on Twitter, but his tweet caught the attention of another conservative pundit: Todd Herman, who was guest-hosting Rush Limbaugh’s national radio program. Minutes later, he repeated Mr. Brown’s baseless claim to Mr. Limbaugh’s throngs of listeners: “It’s probably not Trump supporters who would do that. Antifa, BLM, that’s what they do. Right?”
What happened over the next 12 hours illustrated the speed and the scale of a right-wing disinformation machine primed to seize on a lie that served its political interests and quickly spread it as truth to a receptive audience. The weekslong fiction about a stolen election that President Donald J. Trump pushed to his millions of supporters had set the stage for a new and equally false iteration: that left-wing agitators were responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
In fact, the rioters breaking into the citadel of American democracy that day were acolytes of Mr. Trump, intent on stopping Congress from certifying his electoral defeat. Subsequent arrests and investigations have found no evidence that people who identify with antifa, a loose collective of antifascist activists, were involved in the insurrection.

But even as Americans watched live images of rioters wearing MAGA hats and carrying Trump flags breach the Capitol — egged on only minutes earlier by a president who falsely denounced a rigged election and exhorted his followers to fight for justice — history was being rewritten in real time.
Within hours, a narrative built on rumors and partisan conjecture had reached the Twitter megaphones of pro-Trump politicians. By day’s end, Laura Ingraham and Sarah Palin had shared it with millions of Fox News viewers, and Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida had stood on the ransacked House floor and claimed that many rioters “were members of the violent terrorist group antifa.”
Nearly two months after the attack, the claim that antifa was involved has been repeatedly debunked by federal authorities, but it has hardened into gospel among hard-line Trump supporters, by voters and sanctified by elected officials in the party. More than half of Trump voters in a Suffolk University/USA Today poll said that the riot was “mostly an antifa-inspired attack.” At Senate hearings last week focused on the security breakdown at the Capitol, Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, repeated the falsehood that “fake Trump protesters” fomented the violence.
For those who hoped Mr. Trump’s don’t-believe-your-eyes tactics might fade after his defeat, the mainstreaming of the antifa conspiracy is a sign that truth remains a fungible concept among his most ardent followers. Buoyed by a powerful right-wing media network that had just spent eight weeks advancing Mr. Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud, pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, exhibiting sheer gall as they seek to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters.

If anyone was responsible for desecrating the Capitol, Mr. Johnson said in a radio interview as the violence was unfolding that day, “I would really question whether that’s a true Trump supporter or a true conservative.”
In a telephone interview last week, Mr. Johnson delivered a handful of unsubstantiated or false statements that dovetail with much of the right-wing disinformation about the riot circulating online and on conservative radio and television programs. The senator said that while most of the people arrested at the Capitol were right-wing Trump supporters, he had not reached any conclusions about the political affiliations of those responsible for planning it.
He said he had “seen videos of other people claiming to be antifa” preparing in their hotel rooms.
“I don’t know if any of that’s been verified,” Mr. Johnson added.
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Rioters at the Capitol on Jan. 6 wore red hats and carried flags bearing President Donald Trump’s campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.”Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

A lie that outraced the truth​

A review of media activity in the immediate aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot reveals just how quickly the right-wing media machine, first online and then on radio and cable TV, advanced the fiction about antifa’s supposed involvement.

The conspiracy gained new momentum after The Washington Times, a right-wing newspaper, published an online article shortly before 2:30 p.m. claiming that a facial recognition firm had identified antifa activists in the crowd at the Capitol. The newspaper corrected the article less than 24 hours later, after its claims were proved false — but not before the story made an enormous impact. The article eventually amassed 360,000 likes and shares on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle, a tool owned by Facebook and used for analyzing social media.
From 4 p.m. to 5 p.m., the antifa falsehood was mentioned about 8,700 times across cable television, social media and online news outlets, according to Zignal Labs, a media insights company. “Remember, Antifa openly planned to dress as Trump supporters and cause chaos today,” said one tweet that collected 41,100 likes and shares.
Snopes, the online fact-checking outlet, had already debunked the false antifa narrative — but its story attracted only 306 likes and shares on Twitter at the time, an indication of how difficult it is for fact-checking efforts to gain traction over the original falsehood.
Mr. Gaetz, the pro-Trump congressman, was a super spreader of the Washington Times article: His Facebook post about it collected 27,000 interactions. And Ms. Ingraham cited the article on Twitter and on her prime-time Fox News show. (By contrast, a BuzzFeed News article that refuted the Washington Times story collected only 18,000 interactions on Facebook.)
Rumors require a receptive audience to take hold, and Mr. Trump’s supporters had long been primed to accept a baseless claim that antifa — relentlessly portrayed by the president as a dangerous terror group — had instigated the violence, rather than their fellow MAGA fans.
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On her Fox News program on Jan. 6, Laura Ingraham shared an inaccurate report claiming that antifa was involved in the Capitol riot.
In May, Mr. Trump announced that the United States would declare antifa a domestic terrorist group, despite lacking clear authority to do so. Falsehoods about busloads and planeloads of antifa activists traveling the nation to sow violence became a common trope on right-wing internet sites, even prompting some Americans to ask local law enforcement for help.
At the first presidential debate in September, seen by 73 million people, Mr. Trump said “somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.” (In the same answer, Mr. Trump declined to condemn the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group that has endorsed violence.)
This drumbeat meant that the notion of left-wing activists disrupting the Electoral College to embarrass Mr. Trump might not have seemed far-fetched to the president’s supporters — even those in Congress.
Hours after the attack, Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama, a Republican who had served as a warm-up speaker for Mr. Trump at the pre-riot rally, promoted the false antifa claims on national television.
“We did have some warning that there might be antifa elements masquerading as Trump supporters in advance of the attack on the Capitol,” Mr. Brooks told the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs. He amplified his baseless claim the next morning in a Twitter thread that was retweeted nearly 19,000 times. “Evidence, much public, surfacing that many Capitol assaulters were fascist ANTIFAs, not Trump supporters,” Mr. Brooks wrote, providing no evidence. “Time will reveal truth. Don’t rush to judgment.”
In an interview last week, Mr. Brooks admitted that he had not verified his information before airing it publicly. But he insisted that several members of Congress — whom he would not identify — had warned him about an antifa presence in Washington, prompting him to sleep in his congressional office for two nights preceding Jan. 6.
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Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama served as a warm-up speaker for Mr. Trump at a rally that preceded the attack on Jan. 6.Credit...Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press
Mr. Brooks now says that the role of antifa and Black Lives Matter “appears to be relatively minimal compared to the roles of more militant elements of other groups.” He said in the interview that he had “very frequently cautioned that the information that we’re getting is incomplete, preliminary” — a caveat that went unmentioned in his incendiary tweets at the time.

An activist’s arrest, and more disinformation​

There is no question that the violent and sudden nature of the Capitol riot created a fire hose of partial and sometimes conflicting information from an array of sources, generating confusion for the lawmakers, journalists and Americans watching from home as they struggled to make sense of what transpired.
Several major news outlets, for example, including The New York Times, initially reported that a Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, died after being struck with a fire extinguisher by a rioter. Those reports were based on early information from law enforcement officials. Weeks later, The Times updated its reportingon Officer Sicknick’s death, after investigators began to suspect he had been sprayed in the face by some kind of irritant, rather than struck by an object. On Friday, the F.B.I. said it had pinpointed an assailant who attacked Officer Sicknick with bear spray, but investigators had yet to identify the attacker by name.
Unlike those reports, the antifa narrative had a clear ideological component. The political leanings of the rioters are not in question. Court filings in many of the criminal cases stemming from the attack quote pro-Trump rioters explicitly denying that antifa was involved and instead emphasizing their own participation, portraying it as an act of patriotism. To date, there is no evidence in case filings that any individual associated with antifa has been charged.
Ms. Ingraham, who told Fox News viewers about “antifa sympathizers” at the riot, later shared on Twitter that the Washington Times article she cited had been debunked; she did not issue an on-air correction. Mr. Herman, the Limbaugh guest host who speculated about antifa, wrote in an email on Saturday that “it was clear a large group of Trump supporters entered the Capitol and assaulted people.” But he continued to assert, falsely, that antifa activists had plotted to impersonate Trump supporters.
Of the 290 people who have been charged in the attack, at least 27 are known to have ties to far-right extremist groups like the Oath Keepers or the Proud Boys. Others have links to neo-Confederate and white supremacist entities, or are clear supporters of the conspiracy movement QAnon. The vast majority expressed a fervent belief that Mr. Trump was the election’s rightful winner.
On Jan. 8, the F.B.I. said there was no evidence that supporters of antifa, who have been known to aggressively counterprotest white supremacist demonstrations, had participated in the Capitol mob. And on Jan. 13, Representative Kevin McCarthy, the Republican House minority leader, spoke at Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial and declared, “Some say the riots were caused by antifa. There’s absolutely no evidence of that, and conservatives should be the first to say so.”
But the next day, the arrest of a protester named John Sullivan prompted yet another surge in right-wing media about antifa and the riot.
Mr. Sullivan called himself an “activist” from Utah and CNN introduced him, inaccurately, as a “left-wing activist” when he appeared on the network on Jan. 6. (He had sold footage to CNN and other news outlets that showed the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, a rioter who died inside the Capitol.) The conspiracy site Gateway Pundit and Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s lawyer, seized on Mr. Sullivan’s arrest to again blame antifa in posts that collected tens of thousands of likes and shares on Facebook and Twitter.
In reality, Mr. Sullivan was an attention seeker whose politics were fungible and seemingly shifted based on which protest he was attending at the time, according to activists from Seattle, Salt Lake City and Portland, Ore., who had issued warnings about him months before the Capitol riot.
On Jan. 8, the founder of Black Lives Matter Utah said that Mr. Sullivan “never has been and never will be” a member of the group. (“John is not affiliated with any organization,” Steven Kiersh, a lawyer for Mr. Sullivan, said on Friday.)
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Pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, deploying disinformation and exhibiting sheer gall to try to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
But the facts about Mr. Sullivan did not spread as far as the falsehoods.
YouTube videos featuring Mr. Sullivan prompted the Oregon Republican Party to adopt a resolution on Jan. 19 asserting that there was “growing evidence” the Jan. 6 violence was a “false flag” operation intended “to discredit President Trump, his supporters, and all conservative Republicans.”
The resolution was written by Solomon Yue, a longtime Republican National Committee member, who said in an interview that he based it on videos of Mr. Sullivan offering tips on how to disguise oneself at a protest. Mr. Yue said he also used his own knowledge of “Battle of the Bulge,” a 1965 Henry Fonda film in which German soldiers disguise themselves as American troops.
Thanks to the YouTube clips and the movie analogy, the Oregon state party “understood what I meant by ‘false flag,’” Mr. Yue said, referring to a scheme to deceive enemies by adopting a fake identity. Mr. Yue said he hoped others would consider alternate explanations for the Jan. 6 attack. “If I can pull those videos from the internet and raise the issue, I think other Americans can do the same,” he said.
Many pro-Trump Americans have already reached their own conclusions about the violence on Jan. 6.
Jason Franzen, 46, a Trump voter who works in carpentry in Thorp, Wis., said he was convinced that the former president’s enemies planned and carried out the attack.
“I don’t want to point fingers, but my gut tells me that there were some higher-up Democrats who were instigating the whole thing,” said Mr. Franzen, who said he gets his news from Facebook and the right-wing cable network One America News. “My gut has been right a lot of times, so I’m just going to go with my gut.”
“I am pro-Trump,” Mr. Franzen added, “but I still want the truth.”

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Oh c'mon don't have a hissy fit our favorite little runaway.

I'll tell you what, this was actually the single best argument you have ever made - - and I'm not joking.
Zzzzzzzzz. Your story has grown tiresome. Work on some new material. This line is stale.
 



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Even people who loathed Trump laid off Baron and even people loathed Obama laid off his daughters (mostly) as all were minors. You're desperate and reaching.

Hunter has had a lot off issues. He also has zero to do with Biden's administration or ability to be President. Trump brought almost his entire adult family into the White House and gave them positions of power. They opened themselves up to scrutiny by accepting those positions.
If Trump had an adult son who was not a part of his administration, but who was grifting off of him, and got caught using the N word, CNN and MSNBC would be leading with it and plastering their coverage with it, and you would be having a fit. This really is not debateable. You think Baron would get a pass for the n word because he’s young? It would be proof of the families nazi ideology.

You really don’t reside in reality. But we have those incredible 4 years of daily meltdowns to always remember.
 

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Nobody gives two shits about Hunter Biden, except people attempting to own libs.
 

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Then you minimize AOC and the rest of the Squad, now numbering around 7 Dem congressmen/women.

I love the squad, just because they get your panties in a bunch.

AOC is bought and paid for by no one.
 

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Nobody gives two shits about Hunter Biden, except people attempting to own libs.
I think what you mean is lots of people want to distance themselves from him.

I still care about how involved Joe was with his business dealings. Did you see the emails/photos leaked the other day of a dinner in DC Hunter got him to attend with some of his business folks? The administration is writing it off as Joe only stopped in for a minute and only to talk to an old friend. Maybe true, but funny how little press the story is getting. MSM stays away from Hunter like the plague - not because they don’t give two shits, either.
 


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I think what you mean is lots of people want to distance themselves from him.

I still care about how involved Joe was with his business dealings. Did you see the emails/photos leaked the other day of a dinner in DC Hunter got him to attend with some of his business folks? The administration is writing it off as Joe only stopped in for a minute and only to talk to an old friend. Maybe true, but funny how little press the story is getting. MSM stays away from Hunter like the plague - not because they don’t give two shits, either.

DINNER!? Spoof finally got THE BIG GUY!
 


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DINNER!? Spoof finally got THE BIG GUY!
These kinds of posts by stocker and Howie are so pathetic. Did you hear yourself the past 4 years? You think a sarcastic straw man just waves it all away?
 

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Geezus howie. Lefties have been burning and rioting in our cities and the left ignores it. A few dozen deaths in the process. The Democrats fear BLM and bow to them, even when they’re committing crimes and encouraging violence against police. You remain silent.

Jan 6 was a big win for you. It gave you something to pin on ”the right” when it was, in fact, several hundred people, few of which that would describe themselves as Republicans.

You do this over and over. “MT Greene!” “Steve King!” ”They’re the Republican Party!”

Then you minimize AOC and the rest of the Squad, now numbering around 7 Dem congressmen/women.

King was destroyed by the GOP. Greene is not representative of the GOP. She’s pretty much on her own.

AOC and the Squad of 6 have more influence on the Democrat Party than MTG, and it’s not close. But you’ll be the first to yell MTG when she gets in the news.

Have AOC, Omar, Talib or any of them lost the committee assignments? Nope…but MTG!!!
Yeahbut Antifa, AOC and the Squad!

Your attempts to downplay and spin 1/6 as "hardly any of them were Republicans" is beyond pathetic.
 


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That’s an exaggeration. But wearing a Trump hat certainly does not make you a Republican. I think that should be obvious from the Righty GHers alone.
LOL. Do you think it's still January 2016? The war for the party is over. Trump won. I'm sorry you can't accept it.
 

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I think what you mean is lots of people want to distance themselves from him.

I still care about how involved Joe was with his business dealings. Did you see the emails/photos leaked the other day of a dinner in DC Hunter got him to attend with some of his business folks? The administration is writing it off as Joe only stopped in for a minute and only to talk to an old friend. Maybe true, but funny how little press the story is getting. MSM stays away from Hunter like the plague - not because they don’t give two shits, either.
Rudy isn't sending the MSM the good stuff. He saves that for the New York Post and the Daily Mail.
 

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At 1:51 p.m. on Jan. 6, a right-wing radio host named Michael D. Brown wrote on Twitter that rioters had breached the United States Capitol — and immediately speculated about who was really to blame. “Antifa or BLM or other insurgents could be doing it disguised as Trump supporters,” Mr. Brown wrote, using shorthand for Black Lives Matter. “Come on, man, have you never heard of psyops?”
Only 13,000 people follow Mr. Brown on Twitter, but his tweet caught the attention of another conservative pundit: Todd Herman, who was guest-hosting Rush Limbaugh’s national radio program. Minutes later, he repeated Mr. Brown’s baseless claim to Mr. Limbaugh’s throngs of listeners: “It’s probably not Trump supporters who would do that. Antifa, BLM, that’s what they do. Right?”
What happened over the next 12 hours illustrated the speed and the scale of a right-wing disinformation machine primed to seize on a lie that served its political interests and quickly spread it as truth to a receptive audience. The weekslong fiction about a stolen election that President Donald J. Trump pushed to his millions of supporters had set the stage for a new and equally false iteration: that left-wing agitators were responsible for the attack on the Capitol.
In fact, the rioters breaking into the citadel of American democracy that day were acolytes of Mr. Trump, intent on stopping Congress from certifying his electoral defeat. Subsequent arrests and investigations have found no evidence that people who identify with antifa, a loose collective of antifascist activists, were involved in the insurrection.

But even as Americans watched live images of rioters wearing MAGA hats and carrying Trump flags breach the Capitol — egged on only minutes earlier by a president who falsely denounced a rigged election and exhorted his followers to fight for justice — history was being rewritten in real time.
Within hours, a narrative built on rumors and partisan conjecture had reached the Twitter megaphones of pro-Trump politicians. By day’s end, Laura Ingraham and Sarah Palin had shared it with millions of Fox News viewers, and Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida had stood on the ransacked House floor and claimed that many rioters “were members of the violent terrorist group antifa.”
Nearly two months after the attack, the claim that antifa was involved has been repeatedly debunked by federal authorities, but it has hardened into gospel among hard-line Trump supporters, by voters and sanctified by elected officials in the party. More than half of Trump voters in a Suffolk University/USA Today poll said that the riot was “mostly an antifa-inspired attack.” At Senate hearings last week focused on the security breakdown at the Capitol, Senator Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, repeated the falsehood that “fake Trump protesters” fomented the violence.
For those who hoped Mr. Trump’s don’t-believe-your-eyes tactics might fade after his defeat, the mainstreaming of the antifa conspiracy is a sign that truth remains a fungible concept among his most ardent followers. Buoyed by a powerful right-wing media network that had just spent eight weeks advancing Mr. Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud, pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, exhibiting sheer gall as they seek to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters.

If anyone was responsible for desecrating the Capitol, Mr. Johnson said in a radio interview as the violence was unfolding that day, “I would really question whether that’s a true Trump supporter or a true conservative.”
In a telephone interview last week, Mr. Johnson delivered a handful of unsubstantiated or false statements that dovetail with much of the right-wing disinformation about the riot circulating online and on conservative radio and television programs. The senator said that while most of the people arrested at the Capitol were right-wing Trump supporters, he had not reached any conclusions about the political affiliations of those responsible for planning it.
He said he had “seen videos of other people claiming to be antifa” preparing in their hotel rooms.
“I don’t know if any of that’s been verified,” Mr. Johnson added.
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Rioters at the Capitol on Jan. 6 wore red hats and carried flags bearing President Donald Trump’s campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.”Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

A lie that outraced the truth​

A review of media activity in the immediate aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot reveals just how quickly the right-wing media machine, first online and then on radio and cable TV, advanced the fiction about antifa’s supposed involvement.

The conspiracy gained new momentum after The Washington Times, a right-wing newspaper, published an online article shortly before 2:30 p.m. claiming that a facial recognition firm had identified antifa activists in the crowd at the Capitol. The newspaper corrected the article less than 24 hours later, after its claims were proved false — but not before the story made an enormous impact. The article eventually amassed 360,000 likes and shares on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle, a tool owned by Facebook and used for analyzing social media.
From 4 p.m. to 5 p.m., the antifa falsehood was mentioned about 8,700 times across cable television, social media and online news outlets, according to Zignal Labs, a media insights company. “Remember, Antifa openly planned to dress as Trump supporters and cause chaos today,” said one tweet that collected 41,100 likes and shares.
Snopes, the online fact-checking outlet, had already debunked the false antifa narrative — but its story attracted only 306 likes and shares on Twitter at the time, an indication of how difficult it is for fact-checking efforts to gain traction over the original falsehood.
Mr. Gaetz, the pro-Trump congressman, was a super spreader of the Washington Times article: His Facebook post about it collected 27,000 interactions. And Ms. Ingraham cited the article on Twitter and on her prime-time Fox News show. (By contrast, a BuzzFeed News article that refuted the Washington Times story collected only 18,000 interactions on Facebook.)
Rumors require a receptive audience to take hold, and Mr. Trump’s supporters had long been primed to accept a baseless claim that antifa — relentlessly portrayed by the president as a dangerous terror group — had instigated the violence, rather than their fellow MAGA fans.
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On her Fox News program on Jan. 6, Laura Ingraham shared an inaccurate report claiming that antifa was involved in the Capitol riot.
In May, Mr. Trump announced that the United States would declare antifa a domestic terrorist group, despite lacking clear authority to do so. Falsehoods about busloads and planeloads of antifa activists traveling the nation to sow violence became a common trope on right-wing internet sites, even prompting some Americans to ask local law enforcement for help.
At the first presidential debate in September, seen by 73 million people, Mr. Trump said “somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.” (In the same answer, Mr. Trump declined to condemn the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group that has endorsed violence.)
This drumbeat meant that the notion of left-wing activists disrupting the Electoral College to embarrass Mr. Trump might not have seemed far-fetched to the president’s supporters — even those in Congress.
Hours after the attack, Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama, a Republican who had served as a warm-up speaker for Mr. Trump at the pre-riot rally, promoted the false antifa claims on national television.
“We did have some warning that there might be antifa elements masquerading as Trump supporters in advance of the attack on the Capitol,” Mr. Brooks told the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs. He amplified his baseless claim the next morning in a Twitter thread that was retweeted nearly 19,000 times. “Evidence, much public, surfacing that many Capitol assaulters were fascist ANTIFAs, not Trump supporters,” Mr. Brooks wrote, providing no evidence. “Time will reveal truth. Don’t rush to judgment.”
In an interview last week, Mr. Brooks admitted that he had not verified his information before airing it publicly. But he insisted that several members of Congress — whom he would not identify — had warned him about an antifa presence in Washington, prompting him to sleep in his congressional office for two nights preceding Jan. 6.
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Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama served as a warm-up speaker for Mr. Trump at a rally that preceded the attack on Jan. 6.Credit...Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press
Mr. Brooks now says that the role of antifa and Black Lives Matter “appears to be relatively minimal compared to the roles of more militant elements of other groups.” He said in the interview that he had “very frequently cautioned that the information that we’re getting is incomplete, preliminary” — a caveat that went unmentioned in his incendiary tweets at the time.

An activist’s arrest, and more disinformation​

There is no question that the violent and sudden nature of the Capitol riot created a fire hose of partial and sometimes conflicting information from an array of sources, generating confusion for the lawmakers, journalists and Americans watching from home as they struggled to make sense of what transpired.
Several major news outlets, for example, including The New York Times, initially reported that a Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, died after being struck with a fire extinguisher by a rioter. Those reports were based on early information from law enforcement officials. Weeks later, The Times updated its reportingon Officer Sicknick’s death, after investigators began to suspect he had been sprayed in the face by some kind of irritant, rather than struck by an object. On Friday, the F.B.I. said it had pinpointed an assailant who attacked Officer Sicknick with bear spray, but investigators had yet to identify the attacker by name.
Unlike those reports, the antifa narrative had a clear ideological component. The political leanings of the rioters are not in question. Court filings in many of the criminal cases stemming from the attack quote pro-Trump rioters explicitly denying that antifa was involved and instead emphasizing their own participation, portraying it as an act of patriotism. To date, there is no evidence in case filings that any individual associated with antifa has been charged.
Ms. Ingraham, who told Fox News viewers about “antifa sympathizers” at the riot, later shared on Twitter that the Washington Times article she cited had been debunked; she did not issue an on-air correction. Mr. Herman, the Limbaugh guest host who speculated about antifa, wrote in an email on Saturday that “it was clear a large group of Trump supporters entered the Capitol and assaulted people.” But he continued to assert, falsely, that antifa activists had plotted to impersonate Trump supporters.
Of the 290 people who have been charged in the attack, at least 27 are known to have ties to far-right extremist groups like the Oath Keepers or the Proud Boys. Others have links to neo-Confederate and white supremacist entities, or are clear supporters of the conspiracy movement QAnon. The vast majority expressed a fervent belief that Mr. Trump was the election’s rightful winner.
On Jan. 8, the F.B.I. said there was no evidence that supporters of antifa, who have been known to aggressively counterprotest white supremacist demonstrations, had participated in the Capitol mob. And on Jan. 13, Representative Kevin McCarthy, the Republican House minority leader, spoke at Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial and declared, “Some say the riots were caused by antifa. There’s absolutely no evidence of that, and conservatives should be the first to say so.”
But the next day, the arrest of a protester named John Sullivan prompted yet another surge in right-wing media about antifa and the riot.
Mr. Sullivan called himself an “activist” from Utah and CNN introduced him, inaccurately, as a “left-wing activist” when he appeared on the network on Jan. 6. (He had sold footage to CNN and other news outlets that showed the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, a rioter who died inside the Capitol.) The conspiracy site Gateway Pundit and Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s lawyer, seized on Mr. Sullivan’s arrest to again blame antifa in posts that collected tens of thousands of likes and shares on Facebook and Twitter.
In reality, Mr. Sullivan was an attention seeker whose politics were fungible and seemingly shifted based on which protest he was attending at the time, according to activists from Seattle, Salt Lake City and Portland, Ore., who had issued warnings about him months before the Capitol riot.
On Jan. 8, the founder of Black Lives Matter Utah said that Mr. Sullivan “never has been and never will be” a member of the group. (“John is not affiliated with any organization,” Steven Kiersh, a lawyer for Mr. Sullivan, said on Friday.)
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Pro-Trump Republicans have succeeded in warping their voters’ realities, deploying disinformation and exhibiting sheer gall to try to minimize a violent riot perpetrated by their own supporters.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
But the facts about Mr. Sullivan did not spread as far as the falsehoods.
YouTube videos featuring Mr. Sullivan prompted the Oregon Republican Party to adopt a resolution on Jan. 19 asserting that there was “growing evidence” the Jan. 6 violence was a “false flag” operation intended “to discredit President Trump, his supporters, and all conservative Republicans.”
The resolution was written by Solomon Yue, a longtime Republican National Committee member, who said in an interview that he based it on videos of Mr. Sullivan offering tips on how to disguise oneself at a protest. Mr. Yue said he also used his own knowledge of “Battle of the Bulge,” a 1965 Henry Fonda film in which German soldiers disguise themselves as American troops.
Thanks to the YouTube clips and the movie analogy, the Oregon state party “understood what I meant by ‘false flag,’” Mr. Yue said, referring to a scheme to deceive enemies by adopting a fake identity. Mr. Yue said he hoped others would consider alternate explanations for the Jan. 6 attack. “If I can pull those videos from the internet and raise the issue, I think other Americans can do the same,” he said.
Many pro-Trump Americans have already reached their own conclusions about the violence on Jan. 6.
Jason Franzen, 46, a Trump voter who works in carpentry in Thorp, Wis., said he was convinced that the former president’s enemies planned and carried out the attack.
“I don’t want to point fingers, but my gut tells me that there were some higher-up Democrats who were instigating the whole thing,” said Mr. Franzen, who said he gets his news from Facebook and the right-wing cable network One America News. “My gut has been right a lot of times, so I’m just going to go with my gut.”
“I am pro-Trump,” Mr. Franzen added, “but I still want the truth.”

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So the Washington Times, two national radio shows and Fox News all said it was Antifa. That's "hardly anyone."
 

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I think what you mean is lots of people want to distance themselves from him.

I still care about how involved Joe was with his business dealings. Did you see the emails/photos leaked the other day of a dinner in DC Hunter got him to attend with some of his business folks? The administration is writing it off as Joe only stopped in for a minute and only to talk to an old friend. Maybe true, but funny how little press the story is getting. MSM stays away from Hunter like the plague - not because they don’t give two shits, either.
At the end of the day the significance of Hunter cannot be waved away. He was running an international influence game in corrupt countries (China, Ukraine) for his father while and after he was VP. He and Joe's little game, were the reason Trump got impeached for the Ukraine call. Trump got too close the the Biden, Obama administration scandal and inquiry into it had to be stopped and dealt with as illegitimate. Hunter is also the reason that Joe is compromised with China- who now basically can do anything they want while he is President because of it. No, Hunter is very significant and the coverup of his situation is a window into who the press is, who the Obama administration was and who the Biden administration is.
 




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