How's this for a lack of class from 2 Auburn players

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As a veteran and huge supporter of all our veterans, I was quite angered by this from
the get-go, but reading more into it, I have learned that this Veteran: never deployed,
doesn't have PTSD from any military service issue, has claimed many things in various
facebook posts that aren't true and never served out her contract with the military, yet
still draws most of her 'disability' pay. A lot of our troops don't get that much and most
of them deployed and served more honorably, but back to this direct incident, apparently
there are a lot of eye witnesses that claim that they wanted to pet her dog and she un-
politely told them no, and it escalated into an exchanged of words and name calling, and
she's playing the victim. Idk, we'll see..
 


Gopher028 said:
never served out her contract with the military, yet
still draws most of her 'disability' pay. A lot of our troops don't get that much and most
of them deployed and served more honorably,
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Are you suggesting that she lied about her disability in order to receive benefits? If not, what is your issue? She qualified for the benefits therefore is entitled to them. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Is there a rating system on who served more honorably and what type of benefits they should get? I'm curious to see where I rate on the Service Honor Scale. I volunteered for Iraq (the only opportunity I had in 4 years to deploy) and searched vehicles at a gate all day but I never fired my weapon. Bottom line, everyone signed on the dotted line knowing the risks (yes, some more than others). Anyone who is willing to do such a thing should by all means be entitled to whatever benefits they may be eligible for, whether they are stateside, overseas, deploy, or never open their deployment bag after tech school.
 


Gopher028 said:
As a veteran and huge supporter of all our veterans, I was quite angered by this from
the get-go, but reading more into it, I have learned that this Veteran: never deployed,
doesn't have PTSD from any military service issue, has claimed many things in various
facebook posts that aren't true and never served out her contract with the military, yet
still draws most of her 'disability' pay. A lot of our troops don't get that much and most
of them deployed and served more honorably, but back to this direct incident, apparently
there are a lot of eye witnesses that claim that they wanted to pet her dog and she un-
politely told them no, and it escalated into an exchanged of words and name calling, and
she's playing the victim. Idk, we'll see..
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Also a Veteran, hate to say it but I was thinking the exact same thing you were. Sad that folks will take advantage like that.

For every Veteran I've seen legitimately disabled and getting compensation that they deserve, I've seen one that is, questionable to say the least. And those people are bogging down the system for folks who really need it.

Then again she could be completely legitimate, in which case I'm an A-Hole.
 

minibeaver said:
Also a Veteran, hate to say it but I was thinking the exact same thing you were. Sad that folks will take advantage like that.

For every Veteran I've seen legitimately disabled and getting compensation that they deserve, I've seen one that is, questionable to say the least. And those people are bogging down the system for folks who really need it.

Then again she could be completely legitimate, in which case I'm an A-Hole.
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Holy hell what is with all the veterans playing Benefits Police? Who are you to decide who is completely legitimate or not? It is a very A-hole move to judge people without knowing what their situation is. I have a friend who has pretty terrible PTSD from surviving an IED blast and was medically discharged with 100% disability. Other than some pretty serious mental issues, physically he is fine and no one would be able to tell what he went through. It's pretty awful knowing there are other veterans out there who think the way you two do. "You're not disabled enough" is a pretty disgusting mindset to have.
 

Kuato Lives! said:
Holy hell what is with all the veterans playing Benefits Police? Who are you to decide who is completely legitimate or not? It is a very A-hole move to judge people without knowing what their situation is. I have a friend who has pretty terrible PTSD from surviving an IED blast and was medically discharged with 100% disability. Other than some pretty serious mental issues, physically he is fine and no one would be able to tell what he went through. It's pretty awful knowing there are other veterans out there who think the way you two do. "You're not disabled enough" is a pretty disgusting mindset to have.
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I'm pro military and veteran as much as the next guy. I don't know how many vets you know/work with/ are friends with. Maybe you know alot who all have legitimate disabilities. I'm around a lot of vets. Many deserve their disability compensation. Many do not. I know this because I know what they are going in for and i know where they have been in the military. You may not like the thought that their are veterans out there who would disrespect your friends legitimate disability by claiming the same thing, yet having never actually suffered from PTSD.

I appreciate you sticking up for your Veteran friend, their needs to be more people like you. Unfortunately, while your mindset may be rosier to think about, I think mine is more accurate. At least, that has been my experience Kuato.
 

I'm no expert on the brain but I've heard enough from scientist/studies to understand that we still know very little about PTSD. I don't think anyone here should be telling any veteran how serving in the military has affected their emotional state of mind.

No violence was committed in this altercation - we either have a couple of young men who didn't understand the situation and ran their mouths a little too much or a young woman who felt threatened and misread a situation...possibly a little of both.
 



minibeaver said:
I'm pro military and veteran as much as the next guy. I don't know how many vets you know/work with/ are friends with. Maybe you know alot who all have legitimate disabilities. I'm around a lot of vets. Many deserve their disability compensation. Many do not. I know this because I know what they are going in for and i know where they have been in the military. You may not like the thought that their are veterans out there who would disrespect your friends legitimate disability by claiming the same thing, yet having never actually suffered from PTSD.

I appreciate you sticking up for your Veteran friend, their needs to be more people like you. Unfortunately, while your mindset may be rosier to think about, I think mine is more accurate. At least, that has been my experience Kuato.
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You could be one of those people who give those who have served the benefit of the doubt, but instead you choose to assume that people are lying because you have ****ty friends/coworkers/etc. What a lovely worldview you have.

As for the woman in the story, you assume she's lying about PTSD so I'm left to assume then that you believe she is lying about being raped?
 

I think part of the problem is some people see Air Force and PTSD and assume the Air Force, except pilots, doesn't do anything to create PTSD. I have a nephew that's retired from the Air Force whose unit did convoy duty between Kuwait and Iraq. They were ambushed more than once and lost people. Today's military is very different, my daughter is an Army Field Artillery Officer, she's currently a Fire Direction Officer but has been told her next rotation in about July will be to a Fire Support Officer with an Infantry Unit. For the old timers FSO is the new term for Forward Observer. It's best to not make any assumptions unless you have all the facts.
 

Statement from U of Auburn on their facebook page:

On Tuesday, February 17th Auburn Athletics was made aware of an incident in the lobby area of Haley Center involving two student-athletes and an interaction with a fellow student and her service dog.
Based on conversations with the students, it’s our belief that neither of the student-athletes, Andrew Williams nor Dontavius Russell, did anything with disrespectful intent. From a distance, Andrew made noises trying to get the dog’s attention. He didn't understand the purpose of the dog or realize that the student was a disabled veteran. Dontavius had no involvement in the interaction whatsoever as he was only walking to class.
Andrew offers the following message to the female student. “I want to take this opportunity to apologize for raising my voice. I was startled and totally misunderstood the situation. My mother and father who raised me both served in the military. I have tremendous respect for veterans. In the past week, I've learned a lot more about the role of service dogs for veterans and now better understand her courage to attend Auburn.”
The matter is under review by the university’s Office of Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity. We have and will continue to cooperate, and we understand the review must be allowed to follow its normal course.
Auburn has a long history of supporting the men and women who have served our country. We look forward to adding new programs and educational offerings that raise awareness about service dogs and the challenges that often impact those who serve. Both of the student-athletes affected by the incident were raised by military families and value all that Auburn does in support of the many military appreciation related activities.
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https://www.facebook.com/AuburnTigers/posts/10153112465534894
 

Kuato Lives! said:
You could be one of those people who give those who have served the benefit of the doubt, but instead you choose to assume that people are lying because you have ****ty friends/coworkers/etc. What a lovely worldview you have.

As for the woman in the story, you assume she's lying about PTSD so I'm left to assume then that you believe she is lying about being raped?
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Listen, in my first post I said that I had the thought that maybe her disability wasn't legit, based off of the info of her military service. I used experiences in my life to draw from. You did the exact same thing to come to your conclusion. So my crime is what exactly? I have a negative world view? Ok?

My friends, do have legit reasons, but their are people I know who are looking to get some extra money, but are not actually suffering from anything.

You make alot of assumptions. I know the military has had problems with rape in the enlisted ranks for quite some time. It is very possible. I do not know the whole story and neither do you. I do know that combat veterans are committing suicide on the reg because they are not getting the treatment they need in time.

Did you serve Kuato? I did, four years in the AF, in the rear with the gear. I think you'd find that some of the most skeptical like me are those that served. I don't know what that means, just an observation. I am not trying to offend anyone, apologies if my posts were offensive to you. I feel like I have been respectful to you, can you say the same?
 



Kuato Lives! said:
Are you suggesting that she lied about her disability in order to receive benefits? If not, what is your issue? She qualified for the benefits therefore is entitled to them. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Is there a rating system on who served more honorably and what type of benefits they should get? I'm curious to see where I rate on the Service Honor Scale. I volunteered for Iraq (the only opportunity I had in 4 years to deploy) and searched vehicles at a gate all day but I never fired my weapon. Bottom line, everyone signed on the dotted line knowing the risks (yes, some more than others). Anyone who is willing to do such a thing should by all means be entitled to whatever benefits they may be eligible for, whether they are stateside, overseas, deploy, or never open their deployment bag after tech school.
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Listen, 'know-it-all', in my travels, I have met some of the most extraordinary individuals this world has to offer in the military, but like any institution, the military has people who never belonged in the first place. People who joined up for the wrong reasons, etc, and I will make this clear, I'm not saying she is, but the more I read into it, she fits that portrayal. The type of individual who plays the victim role throughout life. You may disagree, whichever, but stop with your 'but I know more about it than you' routine....it's old and boring. Now, move on.
 

Glad she served in whatever capacity but,

this woman, IMO, seems to be on a warpath of awareness for service dogs. She has had two news stories now, and countless facebook posts, all about her dog and how great he is, which, of course, all dogs are great. Needless to say, she is a bit zealous to the point of being nutty. but, Im leaning on the side of zealous lady looking for attention.

Now, as I understand some symptoms of PTSD can be hallucinations? perhaps she might have construed a more fanciful story in a PTSD episode. It seems that many student eye witnesses have come out and said that her version of the story isnt even remotely close to the truth. Im no Dr, judge, or whatever, but if you can plead temporary insanity due to PTSD, then i got to believe she was temporarily insane here and probably concocted a more colorful story to grab attention.

spring ball start soon please so we can have something of substance to talk about
 

The lady was medical boarded for pilonidal cysts (ka "butt pus" cysts) and associated complications/healing time and was unable to perform her duties. Probably legit. The mental aspects, who knows. Plantar fasciitis. Yah, I suppose. Who didn't have a round of that in the service? She was able to get to 70% disability rating although the circumstances are suspect. Have to trust the pros at the VA. Obviously she isn't in a mental state to do much of anything in society at the present time.


Hitler's reaction to pilonidal cysts/butt pus surgery is far more interesting.

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Lastly, the VA and others dispute the validity of service dogs for PTSD. At the current time, they are more accurately labeled therapy or emotional support dogs, and the charities that produce these dogs, very lightly trained, may or may not have saintly motivations. These dogs do not go through the long months of training a service dog receives, eg Guide Dogs for the Blind.

This is not to suggest they have no benefit, simply that they don't qualify under the ADA.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Plantar fasciitis. Yah, I suppose. Who didn't have a round of that in the service? .
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Had a bout with this Jr year HS football (I used the same cleets from frosh/soph year) and about 5 different times in the service. I go back to when they still had the black leather boots, quite less comfortable than the newer tan boots.. I didn't remember anyone having mental issues with this, but I guess it's certainly possible?.......
 

Gopher028 said:
Listen, 'know-it-all', in my travels, I have met some of the most extraordinary individuals this world has to offer in the military, but like any institution, the military has people who never belonged in the first place. People who joined up for the wrong reasons, etc, and I will make this clear, I'm not saying she is, but the more I read into it, she fits that portrayal. The type of individual who plays the victim role throughout life. You may disagree, whichever, but stop with your 'but I know more about it than you' routine....it's old and boring. Now, move on.
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I don't know were you got the idea that I claimed to "know-it-all". The truth is that I don't know it all, nor will I ever, which is why unlike you, I would rather give someone the benefit of the doubt that they could be dealing with some really serious and potentially severe issues (in this case PTSD from being raped while serving) instead of painting a broad brush simply because I knew people who tried to game the system. Believe me, I do know people who tried to squeeze out 10% or 20% disability before they separated, but I also know more than a few who have all their limbs intact and generally appear to look fine yet deal with some very serious psychological issues. It's simply not our job to judge people on this issue and I feel it's disrespectful and irresponsible to do such a thing. Even if everything this woman has said is a 100% fabrication it only validates the mindset that people who claim issues must be lying, which as I've pointed out in this and an earlier post, is not fair at all to those who do suffer. I'd rather leave that to trained professionals such as the VA (shudder) or the medical board that doles out the benefits.

The issue of PTSD is a personal one for me and hits really close to home, so I apologize for jumping down anyone's throat.
 

Seems like this incident is way overblown. The story according to some witnesses is that the football players were a couple of many people that went to pet the dog, and the lady snapped on them. There are also some questions about the ladies character. Claims she has PTSD, yet has never been deployed.
 

I love hyperbole as much as the next guy but this is a typical shoot first, ask questions second thread. Fortunately, it only took three or four posts before someone pointed out that there might be more to this story.
 

skauma said:
Seems like this incident is way overblown. The story according to some witnesses is that the football players were a couple of many people that went to pet the dog, and the lady snapped on them. There are also some questions about the ladies character. Claims she has PTSD, yet has never been deployed.
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She was sexually assaulted.
 

In case anyone cares, here is a link to helpful information about service dogs:

http://www.petpartners.org/document.doc?id=231

Bottom line, service dogs are working. Do not interfere with their work!

It sounds like the Auburn player fully understood and internalized that message. Good for him.
 


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