Hoffarber at the Point?

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After his behavior and play yesterday I would consider sitting Westbrook, sliding Devoe to the two and put Hoff at pg. Obviously far from an ideal scenario but Westbrook needs to sit and Devoe is more effective at the two. Hoff can make a good interior pass and he has good court vision. The liabilities are obvious but, at this point, what the hell.
 

Not a horrible idea. You have to try something. Sometimes it works. Usually it doesn't.
 

Cobbs

jamiche said:
After his behavior and play yesterday I would consider sitting Westbrook, sliding Devoe to the two and put Hoff at pg. Obviously far from an ideal scenario but Westbrook needs to sit and Devoe is more effective at the two. Hoff can make a good interior pass and he has good court vision. The liabilities are obvious but, at this point, what the hell.
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I would offer this:

Cobbs
Blake
Devoe
DJ
RSIII

With Carter first off the bench.

Bostick and LW last off the bench.
 

jamiche said:
After his behavior and play yesterday I would consider sitting Westbrook, sliding Devoe to the two and put Hoff at pg. Obviously far from an ideal scenario but Westbrook needs to sit and Devoe is more effective at the two. Hoff can make a good interior pass and he has good court vision. The liabilities are obvious but, at this point, what the hell.
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I don't think experimenting with it could hurt too much....unfortunately. Blake played some minutes last year at the point. Well, at least he brought the ball up the floor. Maybe this was to give AN a breather? Anyway, BH is a good ball-handler (I didn't say he could penetrate and dish, so don't jump down my throat on that). He's also the smartest player on the floor.

Of course, if he plays the point, he will probably have even less shooting opportunities. No?
 




Section201 said:
I would offer this:

Cobbs
Blake
Devoe
DJ
RSIII

With Carter first off the bench.

Bostick and LW last off the bench.
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Oh no...you agreed with SeemoreButts's lineup yesterday, and my suggestion of LW? Oh oh, Oh oh, Oh oh....Miller Time, 201. :drink: +2!!!
 

I promise you he's better at dribbling than you think he is. I thought the same thing, but I happened to go to one of his games where he was the starting point guard his freshman year and he did very well and was a better ball handler than I thought he was. Not saying he would set the world on fire, and he's not going to be breaking peoples ankles, but I think he could fill in at point guard and do just fine as long as he's not going up against crazy pressure.
 




GophersOnTheRise said:
I promise you he's better at dribbling than you think he is. I thought the same thing, but I happened to go to one of his games where he was the starting point guard his freshman year and he did very well and was a better ball handler than I thought he was. Not saying he would set the world on fire, and he's not going to be breaking peoples ankles, but I think he could fill in at point guard and do just fine as long as he's not going up against crazy pressure.
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Agree. No doubt, he would take a conservative approach, as always. But if he was so terrible, he would be a turnover machine, which he isn't. He *is* a superb passer, uses misdirection and ball-reversal more than anyone and maybe he could even execute Tubby's offense the way others can't. I'll bet money he's the one that understands it best and, not unimportantly, would stay "on book" best.
 

streetfighter said:
Not only this, he can't create his own shots. Blake needs to be off the ball.
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I think this is the biggest problem with the idea. Putting the ball in Blake's hands will take away his greatest weapon. As much as people have had a problem with LW's antics I think we'll have to put up with it for the rest of the year. With Nolen out LW is the only player who can put the ball on the floor, take it to the hole and finish. Taking him out of the lineup will make it very difficult for Blake to ever get freed up for an open J.
 

As bad as our pg play has been, we need Blake off the ball getting screens to hit 3s. I don't think he'd score too many points at pg.
 

underground629 said:
As bad as our pg play has been, we need Blake off the ball getting screens to hit 3s.
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I agree, but haven't seen more than a handful of screens set for him all year.

I always see him running over to set ball screens on guys other guards (like when he screened off Westbrook's man in the Penn State game in the final possession that freed him up), back screens on the wings, or post-post screens for some of the big guys.

The problem is that he probably gets fewer screens than anyone, and he's the top 3 point shooter in the country...he should be getting a minimum of 2-3 screens a POSSESSION, not a game.
 



>>You have to try something. Sometimes it works. Usually it doesn't.<<

Wasn't that the hope when America elected this Obama fellow? How's that working for us?

(Whoops. Wrong board.)
 


Gopher4Life said:
>>You have to try something. Sometimes it works. Usually it doesn't.<<

Wasn't that the hope when America elected this Obama fellow? How's that working for us?

(Whoops. Wrong board.)
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Quite a bit better than the jackasses that were running the country the previous 8 years that got us in this fu&%ing mess.

(Yep. Wrong board. But I'm not going to let that cheap and inaccurate shot slide.)
 

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>>You have to try something. Sometimes it works. Usually it doesn't.<<

Wasn't that the hope when America elected this Obama fellow? How's that working for us?

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Quite a bit better than the jackasses that were running the country the previous 8 years that got us in this fu&%ing mess.

(Yep. Wrong board. But I'm not going to let that cheap and inaccurate shot slide.)
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left..right..left..right..left..right..left..right..left..right..left..right..Sit Down.
 

Gopher4Life said:
>>You have to try something. Sometimes it works. Usually it doesn't.<<

Wasn't that the hope when America elected this Obama fellow? How's that working for us?

(Whoops. Wrong board.)
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Hoffarber at the Point?
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In the words of Tim Doyle "Hoffarber is a one trick pony". I have to agree with Doyle on this one. Many on this board seem to think the guy is an all around complete player that is capable of playing the point. The only difference between Hoffarber and Bostick is that Hoff can make the uncontested 3. Bostick can't. Oh and yes Hoffarber can dribble (but not toward the basket.)

Hoffarber = Bawinkle only much better.

Could Hoffarber make a step in fade back jumper like Westbrook did to win the Penn state game? Never!

Could Hoffarber drive the lane and dish out to...hmmm no Hoffarber to dish out to...ahhh hmmm ...Westbrook for a wide open 3? Never.

Could Hoffarber play lock down defense on,...anybody good? No he can't.

But what the heck lets start him at point guard.
 

sec105 said:
In the words of Tim Doyle "Hoffarber is a one trick pony". I have to agree with Doyle on this one. Many on this board seem to think the guy is an all around complete player that is capable of playing the point. The only difference between Hoffarber and Bostick is that Hoff can make the uncontested 3. Bostick can't. Oh and yes Hoffarber can dribble (but not toward the basket.)

Hoffarber = Bawinkle only much better.

Could Hoffarber make a step in fade back jumper like Westbrook did to win the Penn state game? Never!

Could Hoffarber drive the lane and dish out to...hmmm no Hoffarber to dish out to...ahhh hmmm ...Westbrook for a wide open 3? Never.

Could Hoffarber play lock down defense on,...anybody good? No he can't.

But what the heck lets start him at point guard.
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You do know he has started at point guard for the Gophers before, right? By the way, Hoffarber has literally made more layups in one game this season than Bawinkel has made in the past two seasons.
 

sec105 said:
In the words of Tim Doyle "Hoffarber is a one trick pony". I have to agree with Doyle on this one.
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Well, Tubby doesn't agree with you two on this one at all as he averages the most minutes on the team overall and during Big Ten play. You and Timmy - who is an idiot - are wrong.

sec105 said:
Could Hoffarber make a step in fade back jumper like Westbrook did to win the Penn state game? Never!
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True, but he knew enough to set the pick at the top of the key - without a timeout or set play - to give Mr. Ego a little room to maneuver. And besides, what does that have to do with him being a *capable* point guard?

sec105 said:
Could Hoffarber drive the lane and dish out to...hmmm no Hoffarber to dish out to...ahhh hmmm ...Westbrook for a wide open 3? Never.
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How was AN at this? Or did he get buried in there and throw up desperation shots? How is Devoe doing? Cobbs is coming along, but struggles at times. Again, Blake would play it smarter than any of these guys.

sec105 said:
Could Hoffarber play lock down defense on,...anybody good? No he can't.
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So? Have him guard someone else. Has nothing to do with whether he would be a capable PG.

Is it ideal? Hardly. But what's going on now ain't working.
 

sec105 said:
The only difference between Hoffarber and Bostick is that Hoff can make the uncontested 3.
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After I read that line, I realized how ridiculous your post was going to be...

If you really think that is the only difference between Bostick and Hoffarber, you really need to learn more about the game of basketball. Or watch them both play for more than 25 seconds.
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
After I read that line, I realized how ridiculous your post was going to be...

If you really think that is the only difference between Bostick and Hoffarber, you really need to learn more about the game of basketball. Or watch them both play for more than 25 seconds.
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Read between the line dude, Bostic has lots of groupies on this forum.
 

cobbs

I'd stick with Cobbs at the point but I once over the line would run plays through someone else. Who, I don't know, take your pick. None of it is exciting. By default I would go with Hoff.
 

I don't think Hoffarber at the point would work. Blake can't shoot off the dribble and his handle isn't good enough to do anything more than get the ball past half court to start our offense.

This team is best in an up and down game, and the Gophers have been unable/unwilling to force that tempo lately. It's going to be tough to set a fast pace on the road against Northwestern.
 

Hoffarber is way out of place at point guard, more so than Joseph. He's not quick enough to guard apposing point guards, he would have trouble penetrating and creating shots for others. Against a zone defense it might work. Forget it against a man.
 

jovs said:
...he would have trouble penetrating and creating shots for others.
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Are you insinuating that we have someone on the team that can actually do that?

Because if we do, I hope that person shows themself before the year is over.
 

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