Has Gopher Football ever landed a 5-star recruit on NSD?......................

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I don't seem to recall any but a few 4-star's along the way. Should be fun to hear of the selections tomorrow for Minnesota and the BIG TEN as well!! Go Gophers and the new recruits on their way to the Minneapolis-St. Paul area!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 


John Galt said:
Hayo Carpenter: http://minnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=176&p=8&c=1&nid=3481910

And we all remember how well that worked out...
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With that offer list, you wonder how Hayo Carpenter was projected as anything more than a 3-star. Perhaps an administrative glitch?

As far as former 5 star players committing to Minnesota on signing day, there were a number of them...Bronko Nagurski, Paul Giel, Bud Grant, Bruce Smith, et al.
 


The Hayo Carpenter thing was bizarre. He wasn't just a freak athlete who couldn't put it together (what you'd think of when you think of 5star flops), he was small and slow. The biggest things holding him back were his lack of physical attributes. It's weird that he got so many offers.
 


dinkything said:
With that offer list, you wonder how Hayo Carpenter was projected as anything more than a 3-star. Perhaps an administrative glitch?
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I don't wonder at all. I realize that ratings aren't made on the basis of offer lists, like so many of you rubes here think.
 

The other services also had him with a Florida offer.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The Hayo Carpenter thing was bizarre. He wasn't just a freak athlete who couldn't put it together (what you'd think of when you think of 5star flops), he was small and slow. The biggest things holding him back were his lack of physical attributes. It's weird that he got so many offers.
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He had 65 catches for 1,188 yards and ran a "sub 4.4". Those numbers at a California J.C. should get you some attention.

College of the Canyons in Santa Clarita (Ca.) benefited quite of bit from Hayo Carpenter's skills. The 5-foot-11 wide receiver hauled in 65 receptions last season for 1,188 yards and nine touchdowns. His numbers and another asset, speed, have given him quite a bit of attention. "I think I can stretch the field," said Carpenter. Carpenter can definitely stretch the field with his sub 4.4 forty.

So which schools like that ability to stretch the field? "Arizona, Minnesota, Florida, Nevada and Oregon State are recruiting me the hardest," said Carpenter. Still, his recruitment isn't complete. "I'm pretty much open (to new schools)," he said.

His explosive speed sets him apart from many players at his position and his experience in junior college make him an intriguing prospect. "I would say stretching the field is my biggest strength. I do want to improve more on my blocking techniques," said Carpenter.

http://kentucky.scout.com/2/785980.html
 




Iceland12 said:
He had 65 catches for 1,188 yards and ran a "sub 4.4". Those numbers at a California J.C. should get you some attention.

College of the Canyons in Santa Clarita (Ca.) benefited quite of bit from Hayo Carpenter's skills. The 5-foot-11 wide receiver hauled in 65 receptions last season for 1,188 yards and nine touchdowns. His numbers and another asset, speed, have given him quite a bit of attention. "I think I can stretch the field," said Carpenter. Carpenter can definitely stretch the field with his sub 4.4 forty.

So which schools like that ability to stretch the field? "Arizona, Minnesota, Florida, Nevada and Oregon State are recruiting me the hardest," said Carpenter. Still, his recruitment isn't complete. "I'm pretty much open (to new schools)," he said.

His explosive speed sets him apart from many players at his position and his experience in junior college make him an intriguing prospect. "I would say stretching the field is my biggest strength. I do want to improve more on my blocking techniques," said Carpenter.

http://kentucky.scout.com/2/785980.html
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Yeah, he was heralded as having good speed, but he didn't have good speed. He was one of our slowest WRs and not to rehash this debate, but he never ran a 4.4 40 (unless there was injury that we don't know about).

At our pro day a few years later he ran a 4.7 40 and he was 5'10" 185 lbs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89524&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR
 

I realize that Hayo is a tried and true punching bag on this forum, but people act like he's the only highly rated recruit to fail to live up to expectations. Read below:


"Recruiting is often called an inexact science and the level of inaccuracy, even with the best prospects, is surprisingly high.

An analysis of Rivals.com’s top 100 players from 2006 to 2009 reveals that 42 percent of the nation’s top prospects became busts, meaning they failed to either play in 40 games, start 20 games, or have one above-average season in their college careers.

More than 1 million boys play high school football each fall. The chance of one of them being ranked as a Rivals.com top 100 prospect as a senior is 0.0004 percent. Yet, 42 percent of the best of the top one percentile still fail.

In contrast, only 14 percent of those 100 prospects have been, or are projected to be, first- or second-round picks in the NFL Draft."

Link to complete story
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, he was heralded as having good speed, but he didn't have good speed. He was one of our slowest WRs and not to rehash this debate, but he never ran a 4.4 40 (unless there was injury that we don't know about).

At our pro day a few years later he ran a 4.7 40 and he was 5'10" 185 lbs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89524&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR
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Boy he certainly fooled a lot of people didn't he! To bad all those schools didn't have access to what Carpenter would run 2-3 years after the fact huh? :eek:
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, he was heralded as having good speed, but he didn't have good speed. He was one of our slowest WRs and not to rehash this debate, but he never ran a 4.4 40 (unless there was injury that we don't know about).

At our pro day a few years later he ran a 4.7 40 and he was 5'10" 185 lbs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89524&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR
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I still remember the game where he got ran down from behind by a Wisky DE. I think it was his first collegiate catch. There was almost an air of expectation in the stadium when he caught the ball with how fast he was supposed to be, and then the collective realization of how slow he really was.
 



Brandon Owens and Hayo Carpenter are the only 5-stars we've signed from the "recruiting services" era I can think of. And I think Owens was like a 3 star on Rivals I think.

I think the absolute highest regarded recruit we've landed in the last 10 years was actually MarQueis Gray, a universally rated high 4 star, top 10 or 15 in his position, great offers, almost every recruiting service lauded him as a game changer for our program. Unfortunately it just didn't quite work out that way. Probably the two biggest things, A) He was jerked around position-wise his whole career, but that was likely due to B) His arm accuracy left a lot to be desired. The physical tools all appeared to be there, but when it came down to it, the missed open targets just held him back from being able to consistently have an offense humming up and down the field. But the fact that he contributed in so different facets from throwing, running, or catching the ball, tells you how much physical gifts this kid had. Hopefully he can find a way on an NFL roster somehow.
 

Iceland12 said:
Boy he certainly fooled a lot of people didn't he! To bad all those schools didn't have access to what Carpenter would run 2-3 years after the fact huh? :eek:
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You can't blame him.

Yeah, I don't think he got slower when he was here. We might not have had great coaches, but I think Honey Boo Boo's mom would have a hard time coaching a kid in college football to slower his 40 time by .3 seconds. The truth is that 4.7 was probably not a terrible run for him, he's a 4.7-4.75 guy who is small and not explosive. The 4.4 stuff was merely fiction.
 

Unregistered User said:
I realize that Hayo is a tried and true punching bag on this forum, but people act like he's the only highly rated recruit to fail to live up to expectations. Read below:


"Recruiting is often called an inexact science and the level of inaccuracy, even with the best prospects, is surprisingly high.

An analysis of Rivals.com’s top 100 players from 2006 to 2009 reveals that 42 percent of the nation’s top prospects became busts, meaning they failed to either play in 40 games, start 20 games, or have one above-average season in their college careers.

More than 1 million boys play high school football each fall. The chance of one of them being ranked as a Rivals.com top 100 prospect as a senior is 0.0004 percent. Yet, 42 percent of the best of the top one percentile still fail.

In contrast, only 14 percent of those 100 prospects have been, or are projected to be, first- or second-round picks in the NFL Draft."

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I didn't mean to rip on the kid when I pointed that out. I have no hate for him. He signed here, graduated, never caused a problem and finished his career as a Gopher. I'll never have any hate for any athlete who did that. I was just pointing out that even for 5star busts who fail, he was odd in that he really didn't have the physical tools. He was small and slow.

A lot of the 5star busts who fail do so IN SPITE of their great athletic ability. He seemed to because of his LACK of athletic ability.
 

John Galt said:
I still remember the game where he got ran down from behind by a Wisky DE. I think it was his first collegiate catch. There was almost an air of expectation in the stadium when he caught the ball with how fast he was supposed to be, and then the collective realization of how slow he really was.
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Yep, that was the "ah-ha" or "uh-oh" moment.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I didn't mean to rip on the kid when I pointed that out. I have no hate for him. He signed here, graduated, never caused a problem and finished his career as a Gopher. I'll never have any hate for any athlete who did that. I was just pointing out that even for 5star busts who fail, he was odd in that he really didn't have the physical tools. He was small and slow.

A lot of the 5star busts who fail do so IN SPITE of their great athletic ability. He seemed to because of his LACK of athletic ability.
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I wasn't trying to pick on you specifically, but look at how this thread has already devolved from a simple question to constant ridicule about a former player.
 

Unregistered User said:
I wasn't trying to pick on you specifically, but look at how this thread has already devolved from a simple question to constant ridicule about a former player.
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The thread asked if we have ever had any 5-star recruits. I pointed out the only one I can remember and provided my only memory of him playing for the Gophers. Sorry if that offended you.
 


The bottom line is that great football teams have great coaching staffs! Do we have a great coaching staff at Minnesota? This 2013 team will really tell the story! Agree?
 

I think Willie Middlebrooks was a 5 Star.
 

dboy said:
bob,

lets put a placeholder here for WR James Onwualu and his 4.53 40, 6'1", 203.
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How obsessed are you with James Onwualu? You come to a Gopher forum, stalk me, and try to find a way to get a rip of James Onwualu into it.

But you're right, you know what you're talking about....

Every Cretin kid gets offers from Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, Stanford, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin. It's just the hype machine that is Cretin. I am so glad Rhoda turned down all of his BCS offers to walk on at the U. You really hit that one out of the park!

Those Cretin kids with impressive offer sheets never turn out anyways, they are all hype.

Oh by the way, remember when you talked about him not being very good? He was just All State, he only led the conference in Tds playing three positions. Yep, he really was just hype.

So which of his measurements are you questioning? Do you think he really attended these camps and didn't put up fast numbers? Do you think he was able to smuggle weights into his pockets when he got weighed?

You're obsessed with this kid to an unhealthy degree. Only someone who is blinded by something completely illogical would still try to call people out on James Onwualu.

Every coach in the country thinks he is good.
He put up huge numbers.
Yet, you're so obsessed with him that you try to find a way to shoehorn a debate about him into a thread about MN recruiting. Yeah...that's healthy.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
How obsessed are you with James Onwualu? You come to a Gopher forum, stalk me, and try to find a way to get a rip of James Onwualu into it.

But you're right, you know what you're talking about....

Every Cretin kid gets offers from Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, Stanford, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin. It's just the hype machine that is Cretin. I am so glad Rhoda turned down all of his BCS offers to walk on at the U. You really hit that one out of the park!

Those Cretin kids with impressive offer sheets never turn out anyways, they are all hype.

Oh by the way, remember when you talked about him not being very good? He was just All State, he only led the conference in Tds playing three positions. Yep, he really was just hype.

So which of his measurements are you questioning? Do you think he really attended these camps and didn't put up fast numbers? Do you think he was able to smuggle weights into his pockets when he got weighed?

You're obsessed with this kid to an unhealthy degree. Only someone who is blinded by something completely illogical would still try to call people out on James Onwualu.

Every coach in the country thinks he is good.
He put up huge numbers.
Yet, you're so obsessed with him that you try to find a way to shoehorn a debate about him into a thread about MN recruiting. Yeah...that's healthy.
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bob... calm down... i said put a placeholder here.. imho, he'll be the Halo of ND... (thats why i put the reference here.)... i'm sure Halo's PR guy was as convinced in those numbers as you are with JO's.

beware...

so is he 205?
"I've never lifted a weight in my life and I'm still 215," said Onwualu, perhaps giving himself a few extra pounds. ."

but what about this?
"The goal is for Onwualu to close in on 220 pounds by the time he makes it to Notre Dame"

so we already have his size overhyped.. stay tuned, more to follow.

btw: he was 'all-state' as an athlete... a cop-out.
 

one more:

wiki: The fastest human footspeed on record is 44.72 km/h (27.79 mph), seen during a 100 metres sprint (average speed between the 60th and the 80th meter) by Usain Bolt.

JO hype: Onwualu and Floyd's skills aren't especially similar, though. At 6-3 and 224 pounds, Floyd is more of a vertical big-play threat. Onwualu, who has reached 29 mph when sprinting, is more likely to make a big play out of a short-yardage catch.
 

We can continue talking about James Onwualu on a seprate thread or you can message me, I know your obsession with him has to be haunting you ith how wrong you've been about him.

What is the Halo of Notre Dame? That almost sounds like a compliment. Did you mean Hayo? Wow. . . you're full of wrong.

And yep.....BEWARE a HS kid hyping up his weight BEWARE. What a shocker! You sleuthed another one Matlock, you got him.

Your second one was laughable dumb, but it's just typical DBoy style.

So you think him weighing 205 and the goal of him being 220 (in August) is way off? You think it's a fib for a kid who weighs 205 and is working out constantly to expect to be 220 in 6 months? You don't lift weights much do you?

No...he was all state at RB/WR/DB. That's how they give out the All State honors to guys who play multiple positions really well. Almost all of the non-QBs were listed with multiple positions. You might be the most clueless poster to ever post on here. Swing and a miss huh moron?

For reference..

Borchardt was All State at WR/RB
Eyija was All State at RB/LB
Fahning was All State at OG/DT
Larson was All State at OG/DT
Lossande was All State at OT/DT
McManus was All State at SS/RB/KR/PR
Mattox was All State at LB/TE
Olinger was All State at DL/OT
Page was All State at DB/WR
Pietruszewski was All State at RB/LB
Ricci was All State at QB/KR/PR/DB
Sargeant was All State at K/P/LB
Tusler was All State at RB/WR/CB/KR
Walker was All State at TE/QB/S
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
We can continue talking about James Onwualu on a seprate thread or you can message me, I know your obsession with him has to be haunting you ith how wrong you've been about him.

What is the Halo of Notre Dame? That almost sounds like a compliment. Did you mean Hayo? Wow. . . you're full of wrong.

And yep.....BEWARE a HS kid hyping up his weight BEWARE. What a shocker! You sleuthed another one Matlock, you got him.

Your second one was laughable dumb, but it's just typical DBoy style.

So you think him weighing 205 and the goal of him being 220 (in August) is way off? You think it's a fib for a kid who weighs 205 and is working out constantly to expect to be 220 in 6 months? You don't lift weights much do you?

No...he was all state at RB/WR/DB. That's how they give out the All State honors to guys who play multiple positions really well. Almost all of the non-QBs were listed with multiple positions. You might be the most clueless poster to ever post on here. Swing and a miss huh moron?

For reference..

Borchardt was All State at WR/RB
Eyija was All State at RB/LB
Fahning was All State at OG/DT
Larson was All State at OG/DT
Lossande was All State at OT/DT
McManus was All State at SS/RB/KR/PR
Mattox was All State at LB/TE
Olinger was All State at DL/OT
Page was All State at DB/WR
Pietruszewski was All State at RB/LB
Ricci was All State at QB/KR/PR/DB
Sargeant was All State at K/P/LB
Tusler was All State at RB/WR/CB/KR
Walker was All State at TE/QB/S
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bob, i'd like to end it... but i cannot end it on such outright lies..

1.) i was incorrect.. JO was all metro kare11 at 'athlete'... AP all-state RB..
but where do you come up with this???:

"That's how they give out the All State honors to guys who play multiple positions really well. Almost all of the non-QBs were listed with multiple positions."

here is a link:
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/999816/24/2012-Minnesota-AP-All-State-football-team


and the list... i don't find anyone listed under two positions.... are you on crack?
OFFENSE

QB - Jordan Hein, sr, Perham

RB - Bridgeport Tusler, sr, Osseo

RB - James Onwualu, sr, Cretin-Derham Hall

RB - Jake Disterhaupt, sr, Moose Lake/Willow River

WR - Jake Weineke, sr, Maple Grove

WR - Marley Allison, sr, Edina

TE - Noah Scarver, sr, Minneapolis Washburn

OL - Chad Fahning, sr, De La Salle

OL - Chandler Wright, sr, Wayzata

OL - Zach Ziemer, sr, Lakeville North

OL - Michael Warren, sr, Providence Academy

OL - Dan Sargeant, sr, Chisago Lakes

DEFENSE

DL - Deon Dorvil, sr, Edina

DL - Shaun Schindler, sr, Hutchinson

DL - Andrew Stelter, jr, Owatonna

DL - Joe Schiller, sr, Totino-Grace

LB - Alex Wood, sr, Lakeville North

LB - Chris Wipson, sr, Wayzata

LB - Jack Cottrell, sr, Eden Prairie

LB - Mitch Johnson, sr, Lakeville North

DB - Danny McManus, sr, St. Thomas Academy

DB - Charlie Miller, sr, Totino-Grace

DB - Tycel Page, sr, St. Paul Highland Park

DB - Oscar Opara, sr, De La Salle

SPECIAL TEAMS

Kicker/Punter - Wyatt Schmidt, sr, St. Thomas Academy

Returner/All-Purpose - Nate Ricci, sr, Stillwater


2.) my 'other one' was 'dumb'? JO has claimed to have run 29mph.. so what is 'dumb' about questions an obvious lie? 'just a HS kid hyping himself'? this goes beyond that.. I don't recall Seantrel Henderson claiming to a reporter that he could bench 1200 lbs.. and i suppose i would be 'dumb' to question that also?

this kid will be an absolute bust... "never been in the weight room"... no mans land athletically.. too slow to play WR & RB, not thick enough to play FB, too small/slow to play LB, no ball skills to play S.

AND i told you he would 'mail it in' his senior year.. 'almost' 500 yards rushing??? in the suburban east?? beaten by Woodbury?
'he was prepping for ND and didn't want to get hurt'.... exact quote i put out here a year ago.. use it if it makes you feel better.
 

Unregistered User said:
I realize that Hayo is a tried and true punching bag on this forum, but people act like he's the only highly rated recruit to fail to live up to expectations. Read below:

"Recruiting is often called an inexact science and the level of inaccuracy, even with the best prospects, is surprisingly high.

An analysis of Rivals.com’s top 100 players from 2006 to 2009 reveals that 42 percent of the nation’s top prospects became busts, meaning they failed to either play in 40 games, start 20 games, or have one above-average season in their college careers.

More than 1 million boys play high school football each fall. The chance of one of them being ranked as a Rivals.com top 100 prospect as a senior is 0.0004 percent. Yet, 42 percent of the best of the top one percentile still fail.

In contrast, only 14 percent of those 100 prospects have been, or are projected to be, first- or second-round picks in the NFL Draft."

Link to complete story
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42%...,,Wow!
 

I've been wondering for a while now what it would take to get dbag banned.

I really hope this is it.
 


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