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Better RPI, tougher SOS, better top 100 record, same record, same conference record. Iowa is a lock but we are first four out? That's a joke. Discuss.
 

NDGopher said:
Better RPI, tougher SOS, better top 100 record, same record, same conference record. Iowa is a lock but we are first four out? That's a joke. Discuss.
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In the media's eyes, you can't go from Final Four dark horse in February to out of the tournament in March. Once you are on "lock" status, you're in and can't be taken out. Here's hoping the committee kept paying attention after the media stopped looking.
 

Smu has a crap resume. Only for top 125 wins.


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It's fine. If they take Iowa, it will be that much harder to exclude the Gophers.
 




Iowa's loss hurt us more than it helped us IMO. We now only have 2 top 50 wins. Us dropping on the dance card despite a win yesterday is proof of that.

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No way. I think Iowas loss helped us. From what I have read, the committee is all about "what have you done for me lately". Iowa has been suckful down the stretch (1-6). Our resume is every bit as good as theirs..better in some regards. Lunardi had Iowa an 8 yesterday. Curious to see it this morning when he updates.
 

Holy Man said:
In the media's eyes, you can't go from Final Four dark horse in February to out of the tournament in March. Once you are on "lock" status, you're in and can't be taken out. Here's hoping the committee kept paying attention after the media stopped looking.
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Agree. Sort of for the same reasons we are always a "bubble team", in the eyes of the Lunardi's of the world...
 




jaymil said:
Iowa's loss hurt us more than it helped us IMO. We now only have 2 top 50 wins. Us dropping on the dance card despite a win yesterday is proof of that.

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I have a hard time believing the committee just looks at wins in the top 50 and then just immediately cuts it off at 50. Iowa and Florida St have RPI's of like 52 and 54. There's no way those wins become just a non factor in my opinion. I think the committee looks at the complete body of work more so than a lot of people give them credit. It's not just looking at the snapshot we see on ESPN and other media outlets.
 


StCroix said:
No way. I think Iowas loss helped us. From what I have read, the committee is all about "what have you done for me lately". Iowa has been suckful down the stretch (1-6). Our resume is every bit as good as theirs..better in some regards. Lunardi had Iowa an 8 yesterday. Curious to see it this morning when he updates.
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They aren't supposed to be. The committee claims an entire season is weighted equally and they don't consider last 10 games anymore. Palm has iowa as a 10 seed this morning in his update.

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MadtownGopher said:
Here is the side by side comparison for anyone interested...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/IOWA/MINN
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Well, if somebody wanted justification for taking reeling IA over Minnesota, I suppose they could point to this (Iowa has an ever so slight advantage in "good wins" according to RPI). I still think it's not good enough to pick IA over MN.

Iowa and MN split, so take out their games vs each other. Other than those, if we lose to WI, RPI probably will be almost equal and win breakdown will look like this:
20-12 Iowa has beaten no. 9, 23*, 41, 46*, 63* overall SOS 19
19-13 Gophs have beaten no. 6, 23, 52, 69*, 97 overall SOS 5


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PitinoFan said:
As someone noted elsewhere, Iowa gets credit for a top 50 win over Minnesota, yet the Gophers don't get the same for their win over Iowa.
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That's cracked. That's a paradox.
 

PitinoFan said:
As someone noted elsewhere, Iowa gets credit for a top 50 win over Minnesota, yet the Gophers don't get the same for their win over Iowa.
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So Iowa might get in because they have recorded more "good" wins against teams like Minnesota, while Minnesota gets left out because our wins came against weaker teams like Iowa. Paradoxical.
 

Richard said:
I have a hard time believing the committee just looks at wins in the top 50 and then just immediately cuts it off at 50. Iowa and Florida St have RPI's of like 52 and 54. There's no way those wins become just a non factor in my opinion. I think the committee looks at the complete body of work more so than a lot of people give them credit. It's not just looking at the snapshot we see on ESPN and other media outlets.
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Yeah, I'm guessing when it gets down to the nitty gritty with these last teams, they'd notice, hey, the Gophers have only 2 top 50 wins, but their next two are 52 and 54. Not that they'd "count" as top 50 wins, but I think it would be taken into account when comparing to other bubble teams and where their top wins fall. I'm not worried about Iowa losing suddenly making that win void.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
So Iowa might get in because they have recorded more "good" wins against teams like Minnesota, while Minnesota gets left out because our wins came against weaker teams like Iowa. Paradoxical.
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Yep. Iowa beat strong teams like MN! Look at that BPI! Minnesota's 3rd best win is against a terrible Iowa team. Iowa's a lock!
 

It will be all the greater when we beat Sconie while bumping Iowa to the NIT
 

Iowa will miss because of late season trend. They are almost fully dissolved as a team.
 

NDGopher said:
Better RPI, tougher SOS, better top 100 record, same record, same conference record. Iowa is a lock but we are first four out? That's a joke. Discuss.
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Seems to me that Iowa is in a similar position to Minnesota last year - well regarded through most of the year based on its early body of work, but really stunk down the stretch. Minnesota's poor end-of-season performance last year wasn't enough to knock them out of the tournament and Iowa could be the beneficiary of the same type of thing this year. We'll know soon. Hopefully, the Gophers can make themselves very difficult to leave out if they win on Friday.
 

PitinoFan said:
As someone noted elsewhere, Iowa gets credit for a top 50 win over Minnesota, yet the Gophers don't get the same for their win over Iowa.
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I can't even believe that. It is utterly ridiculous.
 

cjbfbp said:
Seems to me that Iowa is in a similar position to Minnesota last year - well regarded through most of the year based on its early body of work, but really stunk down the stretch. Minnesota's poor end-of-season performance last year wasn't enough to knock them out of the tournament and Iowa could be the beneficiary of the same type of thing this year. We'll know soon. Hopefully, the Gophers can make themselves very difficult to leave out if they win on Friday.
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Only one problem with that analysis: Gophers RPI last year is about 20 spots higher than the Hawkeyes this year. It's not completely an apples to apples comparison when we get beyond the late season swoons both had.

Admittedly I am biased, but the Gophers case this year is stronger than the Hawkeyes.

I am going to cheer my rear off for the Gophers to knock off the Badgers and make this conversation completely moot. If the traveling contingent in Indy has any say over it, we will win. It's an intense group, although a bit pessimistic.
 

other models (kenpom, sagarin) like Iowa
then again, these models hate Mizzou, Cal and would put Colorado on the bubble

if a selection were made today Iowa vs Minn it would likely go Iowa. Fortunately, we're still playing and can change the data
 

Holy Man said:
Admittedly I am biased, but the Gophers case this year is stronger than the Hawkeyes.
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Actually, if one looks at this objectively, their cases are about the same at this moment. There's a negligible difference between their RPIs, little difference between their regular season conference records, and no difference between their nonconference records. Iowa really stumbled last night but the Gopher's modest win last night over another bottom dweller didn't do much more for them than give them the opportunity to really make an impact tonight. If they can manage a victory similar in stature to Seton Hall's yesterday, then they will gain a major boost in rating and respect. If they don't, then I have no good reason to believe the pundits are wrong in saying they are NIT bound. What I think should happen is pointless because I don't have a vote.
 

Just win the damn game tonight and we won't have to worry about it! Want to know why I like our chances better than Iowa's? Because we control our own destiny and, as of last night, they do not.
 


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