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In the next three weeks as we move closer to the start of the 2014 Gopher Football season, we here at The Daily Gopher will give a quick preview of the Gophers opponents. Next up is the Gopher's third non-conference game, and first road test, the Texas Christian University Horned Frogs.

Name: Texas Christian University Horned Frogs

Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Enrollment: 9,925

Conference: Big 12

Notable Alumni: Chris Klein (Oz from American Pie) , Rod Roddy ( Price is Right announcer), Sammy Baugh, Andy Dalton, Davey O'Brien, LaDainian Tomlinson, Reverend Timothy Lovejoy

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http://www.thedailygopher.com/2014/...preview-3-tcu-horned-frogs-fort-worth-gophers
 

I fear our defense will have to keep them below 17 for us to have a chance to win this game. Their defense is just too strong...
 

Our O bigger stronger matches up very well with their smaller faster D. They are designed to stop air raid Big 12 offenses, not power Big Ten teams that average almost 6-5, 320 on the line. Will be somewhat similar to the Texas Tech game.
 

It does remain to be seen how TCU handles a power rushing team. Schematically, they look like they would be vulnerable to two tight end sets, where the TE's can both block and catch.
 

Our O bigger stronger matches up very well with their smaller faster D. They are designed to stop air raid Big 12 offenses, not power Big Ten teams that average almost 6-5, 320 on the line. Will be somewhat similar to the Texas Tech game.

A few years ago their smaller faster D did just fine in the Rose Bowl against a power Big 10 team. Gophers might be able to run up and down the field between the 20s but don't see the Gophers scoring 30 on the TCU D.
 


A few years ago their smaller faster D did just fine in the Rose Bowl against a power Big 10 team. Gophers might be able to run up and down the field between the 20s but your kidding yourself comparing TCU's defense to Texas Tech.

Before that game TCU held their opponents to an average 89 yards a game on the ground. Wisconsin ran for 226. That’s 2.5 times more than their average. Their undersized front absolutely did not do “just fine.” Obviously TCU is a much better D than Texas Tech was two years ago but that doesn’t change the fact that they are undersized and designed to stop air raid spread teams similar to the Red Raiders and we match up well with them. Plus are O-line and TEs much bigger and stronger and are RBs and are better than they were against Texas Tech so the comparison balances out.
 

I still think we come in and road grade those dudes down while our secondary holds their air raid offense in check. Gophs 14 TCU 10. I'm counting on a nail bitter.
 

Reading TDG I see TCU favors a 4-2-5 Defense. That screams playing to the spread.

I think the teams that were most successful against us were the 8-in the box types who taunted us to pass. As has been almost beaten to death on this board, but rings very true; if we can put up at least a moderate threat down the field, we can be very successful.

Good stuff in TDG!
 

A few years ago their smaller faster D did just fine in the Rose Bowl against a power Big 10 team. Gophers might be able to run up and down the field between the 20s but don't see the Gophers scoring 30 on the TCU D.

TCU was substantially outgained and dominated in TOP, but won by holding Wisconsin to short FG attempts instead of TDs (one of which they crucially missed), and converting all 3 of their own chances into TDs.

Obviously it's a different team now, but that's typical of a small defense against a more powerful O -- the O will move the ball but a lot hinges on a few 3rd downs in the red zone.
 



Before that game TCU held their opponents to an average 89 yards a game on the ground. Wisconsin ran for 226. That’s 2.5 times more than their average. Their undersized front absolutely did not do “just fine.” Obviously TCU is a much better D than Texas Tech was two years ago but that doesn’t change the fact that they are undersized and designed to stop air raid spread teams similar to the Red Raiders and we match up well with them. Plus are O-line and TEs much bigger and stronger and are RBs and are better than they were against Texas Tech so the comparison balances out.

the yards gained does not matter. which team won the game?

TCU was substantially outgained and dominated in TOP, but won by holding Wisconsin to short FG attempts instead of TDs (one of which they crucially missed), and converting all 3 of their own chances into TDs.

Obviously it's a different team now, but that's typical of a small defense against a more powerful O -- the O will move the ball but a lot hinges on a few 3rd downs in the red zone.

exactly what I my point is. the Gophers might be able to pile up the yards and TOP but will they be able to convert inside the 20.
 

Projected 2014 starting O-line average height/weight:

Minnesota - 6' 4.6", 312 lbs.
TCU - 6' 4.8", 317.6 lbs.


Projected 2014 starting D-line average height/weight:

Minnesota - 6' 4.5", 259 lbs.
TCU - 6' 2.5", 278.25 lbs.


How on earth will that undersized Minnesota defensive front keep up with the bigger, heavier offensive line of TCU? /sarcasm
 

Projected 2014 starting O-line average height/weight:

Minnesota - 6' 4.6", 312 lbs.
TCU - 6' 4.8", 317.6 lbs.


Projected 2014 starting D-line average height/weight:

Minnesota - 6' 4.5", 259 lbs.
TCU - 6' 2.5", 278.25 lbs.


How on earth will that undersized Minnesota defensive front keep up with the bigger, heavier offensive line of TCU? /sarcasm

I'm not sure who you're considering as starters for Minnesota on our D-Line but if you go by the official roster the average weight of Amaefula-Botticelli-S. Ekpe-Cockran is 272 lbs, not 259.

That being said, I do think some Gopher fans are underestimating TCU's defense, and those expecting us to just overpower an "undersized" TCU defense are mistaking. For one thing, our running game isn't comparable to Wisconsin's at the moment.
 

I'm not sure who you're considering as starters for Minnesota on our D-Line but if you go by the official roster the average weight of Amaefula-Botticelli-S. Ekpe-Cockran is 272 lbs, not 259.

That being said, I do think some Gopher fans are underestimating TCU's defense, and those expecting us to just overpower an "undersized" TCU defense are mistaking. For one thing, our running game isn't comparable to Wisconsin's at the moment.

Cockran, Botticelli, Ekpe and Amaefula. School website lists them at 255, 290, 251 and 249, for an average of 261. I got my original numbers off the ESPN roster, which has Botticelli at 281.
 



Cockran, Botticelli, Ekpe and Amaefula. School website lists them at 255, 290, 251 and 249, for an average of 261. I got my original numbers off the ESPN roster, which has Botticelli at 281.
Wrong Ekpe. We've got 2 of em.
 


I believe you are counting on Bush starting instead of 6-9 Pirsig which is why you’re average is a little different than mine. Anyways at one point Lauer was listed at 322, Pirsig at 325, Campion at 326, Epping at 321 and Isaac Hayes currently is at 320. Weights fluctuate.
 

Our D-line is bigger than Michigan State's. By 10 pounds a man. Bigger than yours by 6 pounds a man. Same size as Ohio State and Michigan. I don't mean to tell you your business, especially on your own message board, but if I were you I'd let this "small defensive front" idea of yours go.
 

From here: http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/267679511.html

Right now, here's my projection for the starting offensive line:

LT Ben Lauer 6-7, 315, 4 career starts

LG Zac Epping 6-2, 318, 34 career starts

C Tommy Olson 6-4, 306, 13 career starts

RG Josh Campion 6-5, 315, 26 career starts

RT Jonah Pirsig 6-9, 320, 0 career starts

Gophers OL avg: 315, 6-5.4
Frogs OL avg: 318, 6-4.8

Gophers DL avg: 272
Frogs DL avg: 278

Differentials:
Frogs OL has 46 lbs on our DL
Our OL has 37 lbs on their DL

So a fair matchup. TCU is certainly not out of place sizewise with any Big Ten team. I still like the Gopher's chances but it will be a dogfight. Really looking forward to being in DFW in a month. Meeting up with my cousin who used to play for the Frogs and still lives in the area. Never been to Texas before.
 

Before that game TCU held their opponents to an average 89 yards a game on the ground. Wisconsin ran for 226. That’s 2.5 times more than their average. Their undersized front absolutely did not do “just fine.” Obviously TCU is a much better D than Texas Tech was two years ago but that doesn’t change the fact that they are undersized and designed to stop air raid spread teams similar to the Red Raiders and we match up well with them. Plus are O-line and TEs much bigger and stronger and are RBs and are better than they were against Texas Tech so the comparison balances out.

If you look back at the TCU defense from the Rose Bowl (2010) to present against power running teams from outside the Mountain West or Big12, we have played 2010 Wisconsin, 2012 Michigan State, and 2013 LSU. The 2010 team's MWC average versus the game against Wisconsin is only showing that Wisconsin had a more potent running game than Mountain West teams we faced. If you weigh what TCU did statistically on the run defense against those power running teams season averages, it paints an entirely different picture of how effective that 'small, fast defense' handles power runs.

Over all 13 games in 2010, Wisconsin totaled 3,194 yards of rushing offense. That averages out to 245.69 yards per game. As you noted, they ran for 226 yards on us in the Rose Bowl. That is 20 yards less than their average. That year, the Gophers' defense gave up 250 yards to Wisconsin's running attack, or 4 more yards than their average. I would say holding them to less than their average was 'just fine'.

In 2012, Michigan State ran for a total of 1,942 yards over their 13 games. That is an average of 149.38 yards per game. In the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl, they only managed to run for 123 yards against TCU. Or, 26 yards less than their season average. In comparison, that year the Gophers' gave up 278 yards to Michigan State on the ground, for 129 more yards than the MSU average per game.

In last season's game against LSU, we saw our defense give up 197 yards on the ground to a team that averaged 202.30 yards per game (2,630 total yards over 13 games). To put that into perspective, the same Auburn team that would play in the National Championship game gave up 228 yards in their loss to LSU. And from the Big10 side of things, Iowa gave up 220 yards in the Outback Bowl.

The Patterson 4-2-5's run defense did not give up a loss in any of those games. It helped win the Rose Bowl, and kept the Frogs in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl and the Cowboy's Classic against LSU. A certain punt return fumble at the goal line cost us the game against Michigan State, and a combination of pathetic offensive play calling and horrible offensive line production gave up the game to LSU.

I think it is very possible that Minnesota wins this year, but that win more than likely will not come off the run defense being unable to defend a power running game. It will be the second game under a new offensive scheme, with new offensive play calling. After the abortion of an offense last year, I have come to expect the same level of pathetic offensive line play, miscues and stupidity until proven otherwise. If we make the same mistakes that plagued us last year, and Minnesota capitalizes on them, I very well can see a 21-13 type game going in favor of the Gophers. However, if we can avoid goal line fumbling or throwing picks, I think the Frogs win.

Either way, I am looking forward to a great game and hope y'all enjoy your visit to Texas.
 

If you look back at the TCU defense from the Rose Bowl (2010) to present against power running teams from outside the Mountain West or Big12, we have played 2010 Wisconsin, 2012 Michigan State, and 2013 LSU. The 2010 team's MWC average versus the game against Wisconsin is only showing that Wisconsin had a more potent running game than Mountain West teams we faced. If you weigh what TCU did statistically on the run defense against those power running teams season averages, it paints an entirely different picture of how effective that 'small, fast defense' handles power runs.

Over all 13 games in 2010, Wisconsin totaled 3,194 yards of rushing offense. That averages out to 245.69 yards per game. As you noted, they ran for 226 yards on us in the Rose Bowl. That is 20 yards less than their average. That year, the Gophers' defense gave up 250 yards to Wisconsin's running attack, or 4 more yards than their average. I would say holding them to less than their average was 'just fine'.

In 2012, Michigan State ran for a total of 1,942 yards over their 13 games. That is an average of 149.38 yards per game. In the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl, they only managed to run for 123 yards against TCU. Or, 26 yards less than their season average. In comparison, that year the Gophers' gave up 278 yards to Michigan State on the ground, for 129 more yards than the MSU average per game.

In last season's game against LSU, we saw our defense give up 197 yards on the ground to a team that averaged 202.30 yards per game (2,630 total yards over 13 games). To put that into perspective, the same Auburn team that would play in the National Championship game gave up 228 yards in their loss to LSU. And from the Big10 side of things, Iowa gave up 220 yards in the Outback Bowl.

The Patterson 4-2-5's run defense did not give up a loss in any of those games. It helped win the Rose Bowl, and kept the Frogs in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl and the Cowboy's Classic against LSU. A certain punt return fumble at the goal line cost us the game against Michigan State, and a combination of pathetic offensive play calling and horrible offensive line production gave up the game to LSU.

I think it is very possible that Minnesota wins this year, but that win more than likely will not come off the run defense being unable to defend a power running game. It will be the second game under a new offensive scheme, with new offensive play calling. After the abortion of an offense last year, I have come to expect the same level of pathetic offensive line play, miscues and stupidity until proven otherwise. If we make the same mistakes that plagued us last year, and Minnesota capitalizes on them, I very well can see a 21-13 type game going in favor of the Gophers. However, if we can avoid goal line fumbling or throwing picks, I think the Frogs win.

Either way, I am looking forward to a great game and hope y'all enjoy your visit to Texas.

I may be alone here, but I am very concerned about this game. Though TCU may or may not be undersized, I think it really comes down to strategies. What concerns me about this game the most is that the TCU defense may not be worn down in the traditional sense because they never really seem to take on blockers/ wrestle with them. It appears TCU is mostly about gap shooting/ speed.

I think both coach Kill and coach Patterson have somewhat similiar defensive philosophies.

Nervous, but optimistic.
 




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