Florida Suspends Spikes?

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After seeing the video of Brandon Spikes, I do agree that he should be suspended for the first half of this week's game. But isn't ironic that he gets suspended, but nothing happens to the Georgia coach when he orders his team to run on the field and celebrate two years ago. Or that Urban Meyer gets nothing when he called that time out late in the game last year and ran the score up on Georgia. I guess my point is that the game last weekend was "out of control" for reasons that date back to the coaches' actions the previous two years. Meyer talks about what Spikes did as not being "what we are about at Florida." Come on coach...look in the mirror


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4616581
 

1 half come on Urban. You are playing Vandy you are going to win even if you don't have Spikes. Give the week off get him even healthier(he was coming off an injury IIRC) and you look better for suspending him for a longer time. Oh well thats what you get with SEC football.
 


ORGopher said:
Or that Urban Meyer gets nothing when he called that time out late in the game last year and ran the score up on Georgia.
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Since when is running up the score punishable either by penalty or suspension?
 

what was he suspended for?

i'm too lazy and self-centered to click on links unless it is my own
 



He will probably get suspended for the second half in which he wouldn't be playing anyway since it's Vandy.
 

As the resident Gator around here ....

If this had been an NHL game, there would've been a lot of brawls. The officials didn't help - they let a lot of pushing & shoving go early on and never really asserted themselves. Spikes alone caught quite a bit of it - had his helmet ripped off twice (personal foul on Georgia was only called after the first one).

I'm not going to defend what I've seen. Flat out wrong and deserving of appropriate discipline. Now comes the question - what is "appropriate".

Did he throw the guy down with the facemask? Twist his head? Did he actually harm the Georgia player? Was it flagged as a personal foul?

Every indication I've seen is the answer is "no" to all those questions.

Spikes' action was in poor sportsmanship. It's beneath him and beneath what's acceptable at Florida, which is why Urban acted.

Now, you may say "It's not enough" - what would you have it be, considering it is one play in a football game, one which didn't draw a flag and which caused no harm to the Georgia player involved?

Spikes is a senior. He has three games left at Florida Field and he'll be off the field during the first half vs. Vandy, which (we all hope) is when that game will be decided. If the Gators play well, he won't be playing a lot in the 2nd half. He certainly won't be running with the 1st team in practice all week - the guys who are going to start will.

It's a big deal because Brandon Spikes is a better guy than that.

Unless you're supporting suspension for every player flagged for a late hit ....
 

Had the eye gouge been effective and either temporarily or permanently injured the opposing player, Spikes would be looking at minimum at a gross misdemeanor and prison time in Minnesota for third degree assault. The action itself consists of fifth degree assault because there is obviously intent. All of this covers "heat of the moment" as well, so that is no excuse. I can't do that on the street to someone who pisses me off, why should he be able to do it on the football field and only receive 30 minutes suspension?

Another case of celebrity status holding someone above fair and humanistic expectations of society. Pathetic.
 



BradDad said:
As the resident Gator around here ....


Did he throw the guy down with the facemask? Twist his head? Did he actually harm the Georgia player? Was it flagged as a personal foul?

Every indication I've seen is the answer is "no" to all those questions.

Now, you may say "It's not enough" - what would you have it be, considering it is one play in a football game, one which didn't draw a flag and which caused no harm to the Georgia player involved?

Unless you're supporting suspension for every player flagged for a late hit ....
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I trimmed your post down a bit to the statements that seem strange to me. Did he actually harm the Georgia player? Not sure, but what was his intent? May be a bit of a stretch, but is it okay to drive drunk as long as you don't injure someone? Because the play wasn't flagged doesn't mean it wasn't serious. It just means it likely was not seen.

Considering it was one play in a football game? All it takes to seriously injure someone is one play. Late hits where a player may or may not be aware of the whistle and intentionally trying to injure someone are two different things. It all comes down to intent here. He tried to intentionally injure another player. That is what makes it so bad and why people scoff at the light punishment. It doesn't matter if he is a senior or a freshman. What he did was totally wrong and the punishment here does not fit the crime in most people's eyes.
 

To put another spin on this...the Oregon kid takes a swing at a Boise State player after the game is over and gets suspended for most of the season. By that comparison, an action that had just as much ill intent getting suspended for one half is not adequate. A two game suspension including one at SC that's actually meaningful would have been more appropriate.
 

Spikes should have been suspended for 1 game minimum. What he did is no different than Blount swinging on a guy. Spikes intended on hurting and injuring someone. It doesn't matter that a flag was not thrown. Simply because the refs missed it doesn't make it any better. Florida should have done the right thing and suspended Spikes for two games, but 1/2 game is something kids get for missing a practice. What Spikes did is a lot worse than that.
 

Ask yourself this question and yes I am probably comparing apples to oranges but
"What if a Georgia player had done this to Tebow?"

I know, what if, what if, what if??
Just posing a question.
 



TWeber said:
I trimmed your post down a bit to the statements that seem strange to me. Did he actually harm the Georgia player? Not sure, but what was his intent? May be a bit of a stretch, but is it okay to drive drunk as long as you don't injure someone? Because the play wasn't flagged doesn't mean it wasn't serious. It just means it likely was not seen.

Considering it was one play in a football game? All it takes to seriously injure someone is one play. Late hits where a player may or may not be aware of the whistle and intentionally trying to injure someone are two different things. It all comes down to intent here. He tried to intentionally injure another player. That is what makes it so bad and why people scoff at the light punishment. It doesn't matter if he is a senior or a freshman. What he did was totally wrong and the punishment here does not fit the crime in most people's eyes.
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Good post Tweber. BradDad certainly seems to imply that since Ealy wasn't injured by the eye gouge, there should be no penalty. That is not the point. The boy could have lost an eye. So let's see, according to Urban Meyer, an attempt to gouge out an eye is worth 2 quarters. What would warrant a full game, complete loss of one eye? Or do you reckon it would have taken both eyes for that?

Urban might the best coach in the game today, but I've lost much respect for him this season. I hope Alabama whips Florida, and I don't like Saben either, but ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
 

TWeber said:
I trimmed your post down a bit to the statements that seem strange to me. Did he actually harm the Georgia player? Not sure, but what was his intent? May be a bit of a stretch, but is it okay to drive drunk as long as you don't injure someone? Because the play wasn't flagged doesn't mean it wasn't serious. It just means it likely was not seen.

Considering it was one play in a football game? All it takes to seriously injure someone is one play. Late hits where a player may or may not be aware of the whistle and intentionally trying to injure someone are two different things. It all comes down to intent here. He tried to intentionally injure another player. That is what makes it so bad and why people scoff at the light punishment. It doesn't matter if he is a senior or a freshman. What he did was totally wrong and the punishment here does not fit the crime in most people's eyes.
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Was that intentional? If so, :clap:
 

DeltaHog said:
Ask yourself this question and yes I am probably comparing apples to oranges but
"What if a Georgia player had done this to Tebow?"

I know, what if, what if, what if??
Just posing a question.
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Oh god if a Georgia player did that to Tebow. ESPN, every Florida fan, and half of College Football Nation would want the guys head to stick in the middle of Gainesville yesterday.

Unrelated but is anyone else annoyed by Tebow? Not trying to trash him, but to me, he is just too perfect and it annoys me.
 

As a matter of fact, the law does draw a distinction between drunk driving where no one was hurt and drunk driving which results in injury to others.

"The boy could have lost an eye" .... yes, but he didn't. In fact, he wasn't injured at all, which makes the talk about "deliberate attempt to injure" etc. pretty speculative.

Spikes had his helmet ripped off his head twice in the game. There's some speculation on the web that perhaps Spikes wanted to de-hat the Georgia player the way he was .... I have no idea what he was thinking at the time.

As far as distinctions based on whether people were, in fact, hurt - we make them all the time: drunk driving resulting in injury is going to get you in a whole lot more trouble than drunk driving alone.

If the SEC chooses to sanction Spikes further, then I'll trust their judgment. The notion that this makes Spikes some sort of thug or that Urban Meyer's not a disciplinarian ... nope, sorry, not buying it.
 

Boiler:

We're all pretty used to that reaction to Tebow.

He's an absolute joy when he's wearing your jersey. And just so you'll know - it's not an act. The kid is that decent a human being at that young of an age.
 

BradDad said:
Boiler:

We're all pretty used to that reaction to Tebow.

He's an absolute joy when he's wearing your jersey. And just so you'll know - it's not an act. The kid is that decent a human being at that young of an age.
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Perhaps, since he is so decent, he should speak to Mr. Spikes. Better yet, since he and Urban are so close, perhaps he should pull Urban aside and point out how ridiculus this two quarter suspension is.
 

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the act of placing your fingers into another's eye sockets and applying pressure to inflict pain or disfiguration is not "thug-like." You simply cannot make a blanket statement and say, "It's okay, the other guy didn't get hurt." It's a reprehensible act.
 

BradDad said:
As a matter of fact, the law does draw a distinction between drunk driving where no one was hurt and drunk driving which results in injury to others.

"The boy could have lost an eye" .... yes, but he didn't. In fact, he wasn't injured at all, which makes the talk about "deliberate attempt to injure" etc. pretty speculative.
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Speculative?? Did you watch the video through your Orange and Blue Gator colored glasses? He certainly appeared to be going after the eyes with gusto!
 

Criminal charges, irreprehensible human behavior? Come on.

This stuff happens all of the time in the pile. Hands in the face, eye gouging, scratching, pinching, groping, rubbing, hair pulling, twisting of ankles and wrists. I've seen worse. The only thing is that it was caught on camera. If you haven’t spent time in football pile, you wouldn’t understand or believe what goes on. Spikes should have done a better job of hiding it…
 

frozengopher said:
Had the eye gouge been effective and either temporarily or permanently injured the opposing player, Spikes would be looking at minimum at a gross misdemeanor and prison time in Minnesota for third degree assault. The action itself consists of fifth degree assault because there is obviously intent. All of this covers "heat of the moment" as well, so that is no excuse. I can't do that on the street to someone who pisses me off, why should he be able to do it on the football field and only receive 30 minutes suspension?

Another case of celebrity status holding someone above fair and humanistic expectations of society. Pathetic.
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You also can't tackle someone on the street. It's part of a game. He's being punished, a punishment that I think fits the crime.
 

ORGopher said:
After seeing the video of Brandon Spikes, I do agree that he should be suspended for the first half of this week's game. But isn't ironic that he gets suspended, but nothing happens to the Georgia coach when he orders his team to run on the field and celebrate two years ago. Or that Urban Meyer gets nothing when he called that time out late in the game last year and ran the score up on Georgia. I guess my point is that the game last weekend was "out of control" for reasons that date back to the coaches' actions the previous two years. Meyer talks about what Spikes did as not being "what we are about at Florida." Come on coach...look in the mirror


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4616581
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Is celebrating on the field the same as deliberately intending to cause bodily harm to someone??!! Your post is so slanted, it even made some of the Gopherhole apologists around here blush...
 



When I was 18 years old I remember thinking certain things weren't a big deal that really are. I matured. This kid is still a kid and doesn't realize what the potential implications of Spikes' actions were. They all think they're invincible at that age. If he did get hurt he wouldn't be making these comments, he would be screaming for Spikes' head.
 

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