Florida State Senior DT Marvin Wilson rebuts claim that Mike Norvell had a conversation with every football player about George Floyd

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Why he would make that claim to the media and not have done the thing is beyond me...
 

Uh, oh....

“This is a lie and me and my teammates as a whole are outraged and we will not be working out until further notice”
 


PitinoFan said:
Uh, oh....

“This is a lie and me and my teammates as a whole are outraged and we will not be working out until further notice”
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I can't imagine this happening in a major college football program!
 

This will be interesting moving forward. Wonder how many will transfer.
 



BTChamp said:
This will be interesting moving forward. Wonder how many will transfer.
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Doubt many will transfer because of it but it is a bad look for Norvell and the University. Just stupid of the coach to claim he did something like that if he didn't. Not sure why he would think players would just willingly fall in line and not say anything.

No way Fleck would make a claim like that without actually having the conversations.
 

Let's be honest, we've all had bosses make silly claims before (taking credit for things they didn't do). This one is pretty tone deaf though.
 

It’s interesting to me to know if the reporter is a direct quote or a summary of a direct quote.

He sent a mass text with a pretty good message that said let’s talk if you want to talk.

some players talked individually

reporter says everyone talked individually and everyone gets pissed because they didn’t. Might all be the fault of a summary of a direct quote.
 



A whole lot of college coaches out there are either liars, hypocrites or both. I think most people are beginning to understand that.

Obviously, there is a huge difference from sending a general email and actually discussing the issue(s) face-to-face with each and every player. Also obviously, Norvell is trying to claim he's some sort of insightful and caring leader with this kind of statement.

Whether this is exactly true, I can't say.

But yeah, the optics are bad.
 

Some guy said:
It’s interesting to me to know if the reporter is a direct quote or a summary of a direct quote.

He sent a mass text with a pretty good message that said let’s talk if you want to talk.

some players talked individually

reporter says everyone talked individually and everyone gets pissed because they didn’t. Might all be the fault of a summary of a direct quote.
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As a former sports writer, if you put something in quotes, it's usually played back from a recording and is generally word for word. You don't hang yourself out to dry by misquoting a main source like a head coach at the program you cover. You can pretty much tell by the quote and the way the sentences and words flow that it's spoken and a stream of thoughts as opposed to a prepared or written statement. People don't usually write "I mean", but they definitely say it a lot when in conversation.

If he was paraphrasing the coach, it would have been part of a paragraph: MIke Norvell said he reached out to all his players and had individual conversations regarding George Floyd's death.

I'm sure Norvell will tell his team privately that it was taken out of context or misrepresented, but I'd bet good money that Tashan Reed has a recorded interview with that exact language if he was called out on it.
 


WriterGoph said:
As a former sports writer, if you put something in quotes, it's usually played back from a recording and is generally word for word. You don't hang yourself out to dry by misquoting a main source like a head coach at the program you cover. You can pretty much tell by the quote and the way the sentences and words flow that it's spoken and a stream of thoughts as opposed to a prepared or written statement. People don't usually write "I mean", but they definitely say it a lot when in conversation.

If he was paraphrasing the coach, it would have been part of a paragraph: MIke Norvell said he reached out to all his players and had individual conversations regarding George Floyd's death.

I'm sure Norvell will tell his team privately that it was taken out of context or misrepresented, but I'd bet good money that Tashan Reed has a recorded interview with that exact language if he was called out on it.
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I don’t necessarily think all the local and regional 247 guys took the same journalism integrity training that a traditional media member would’ve gone through
 



Some guy said:
I don’t necessarily think all the local and regional 247 guys took the same journalism integrity training that a traditional media member would’ve gone through
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These days just about anyone can be a "journalist".

Having said that, Tashan Reed graduated from Mizzou which has a very good journalism school.
 

Some guy said:
I don’t necessarily think all the local and regional 247 guys took the same journalism integrity training that a traditional media member would’ve gone through
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I would totally agree with you about 247 writers and bloggers, but The Athletic has high standards. I know a lot of their staff and they came from the AP, big newspapers and some other top websites. So knowing Reed is an Athletic writer, I think the integrity is there.
 

Some guy said:
I don’t necessarily think all the local and regional 247 guys took the same journalism integrity training that a traditional media member would’ve gone through
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Just because the world is flooded with bloggers that have no journalist standards or even the intent of telling the truth doesn't mean that all sites like the Athletic do not have standards.

I think they should have some sort of GH (good housekeeping) seal of approval for journalist standards. If a site earns the JRB (Journalism Review Board... I made that up) seal that means they follow specific standards as opposed to some guy living in his mom's basement.
 

WriterGoph said:
I feel like some coaches wanna get a piece of the positive pie that PJ and his culture are getting nationally, but...shortcuts. ?
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Of course but it should be noted that other coaches were already ahead of that and zoomed with former players who talked about these issues way before the George Floyd murder. Players from all over the world, different backgrounds,sharing their own story and always learning from each other, growing close. There are people that are not reactionary. Fleck did a nice job and can play a role in helping Minneapolis not be the most segregated metro that has been systemic in plan.
 

alchemy2u said:
Just because the world is flooded with bloggers that have no journalist standards or even the intent of telling the truth doesn't mean that all sites like the Athletic do not have standards.

I think they should have some sort of GH (good housekeeping) seal of approval for journalist standards. If a site earns the JRB (Journalism Review Board... I made that up) seal that means they follow specific standards as opposed to some guy living in his mom's basement.
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That’s a good idea
 

builtbadgers said:
Of course but it should be noted that other coaches were already ahead of that and zoomed with former players who talked about these issues way before the George Floyd murder. Players from all over the world, different backgrounds,sharing their own story and always learning from each other, growing close. There are people that are not reactionary. Fleck did a nice job and can play a role in helping Minneapolis not be the most segregated metro that has been systemic in plan.
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The Twin Cities has housing segregation, as does every metro area, but it is definitely not the “most segregated,” if that is what your final sentence implies. I’ve attached a listing of a census analysis showing the 10 metro areas with the highest segregation index. MSP isn’t there. It is 2010 census data, but still indicative of our metro history. Housing segregation is dropping in the south and west because of rapid population growth; housing segregation is persistent in the north and northeast because of slower population growth (not as much new housing). 91F08E95-960D-4C16-8E22-BCF1CF1465B6.png
 

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