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Man I didn't like the guy. I didn't like him when he got hired, didn't like him when he was interviewed after, didn't like his scheme. And I thought he had man breasts.

I'm glad he's gone.

I just had to say that. Carry on.
 

Brewster tried to get homeruns with Fisch, Dunbar, and the old D-coordinator. Those situations did not work out. Now he seemed to go the conservative route and hopefully it will work out like Cosgrove did.
 

If anything, we've all learned in the past year to temper our expectations when Brew hypes someone. I was skeptical last year, but remained hopeful. Experience is important and Fisch had zero as a coordinator or QB coach. One thing that gives me hope still is the chemistry between the assistant coaches. I think Horton, Davis, Cosgrove, Lee and Cross all coached together in one combination or another at Wisconsin. Maybe their synergy will be enough to get this team some wins.
 

I do like this coaching staff now quite a bit. I wish this is how we started three years ago. I hope we have a little success so we can keep them together for a few years and see what they can do together. Last year was a killer.
 

The hobbit is gone, thank you

That is all. That and may his 1,000 page play book the "precious" burn that piece of
crap for eternity. Goobye hobbit may we erase you from our memories.
 


Last year when I said Fisch was crap there were all kinds of defenders saying he wasn't so bad. Where are they now?

Besides what has been said, he had no idea how to develop a game plan.
 

Sumtimegophs said:
Last year when I said Fisch was crap there were all kinds of defenders saying he wasn't so bad. Where are they now?

Besides what has been said, he had no idea how to develop a game plan.
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His problem had more to do with converting his knowledge of the game to college kids, than it did with his knowledge of the game. I can see why NFL coaches think highly of him. He'll be a fine NFL coach.

There were flashes of great calls all year, but never any consistency, and never a "steady hand" so to speak. He would get cute with playcalls at the wrong times. He would get the O going and then run some silly play on 2nd and 10.

In the end what killed him was assuming that all the players could make the right reads all at the same time. His scheme demanded it and there was no way the young group of receivers and a QB that was developed in Dunbar's spread would figure it out in 1 season.

Bottom line, though, he's moved on why do we care anymore?
 

Sumtimegophs said:
Last year when I said Fisch was crap there were all kinds of defenders saying he wasn't so bad. Where are they now?

Besides what has been said, he had no idea how to develop a game plan.
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We're still here, but more humble.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
That is all. That and may his 1,000 page play book the "precious" burn that piece of
crap for eternity. Goobye hobbit may we erase you from our memories.
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I never really got a good look at the guy. Is he really short?
 



Sumtimegophs said:
Last year when I said Fisch was crap there were all kinds of defenders saying he wasn't so bad. Where are they now?

Besides what has been said, he had no idea how to develop a game plan.
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Unlike you, they've gotten over themselves.

What in the world do you expect them to do??? Should they wear sackcloth and ashes for eternity flogging themselves for having thought that Fisch wasn't so bad?

The blind dog found an acorn. Good for you.
 

Schnoodler said:
Man I didn't like the guy. I didn't like him when he got hired, didn't like him when he was interviewed after, didn't like his scheme. And I thought he had man breasts.

I'm glad he's gone.

I just had to say that. Carry on.
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I couldn't agree more;posted that a number of times myself.

The back beaker for me was after the success throwing deep against MSU, they came out and tried to hit the home run ball again and again and again in the first half against the Illini. It didn't work but they kept doing it and dug themselves a DEEP hole.

They moderated the scheme in the second half and well, you remember the outcome to that.
 

Ole said:
His problem had more to do with converting his knowledge of the game to college kids, than it did with his knowledge of the game. I can see why NFL coaches think highly of him. He'll be a fine NFL coach.

There were flashes of great calls all year, but never any consistency, and never a "steady hand" so to speak. He would get cute with playcalls at the wrong times. He would get the O going and then run some silly play on 2nd and 10.

In the end what killed him was assuming that all the players could make the right reads all at the same time. His scheme demanded it and there was no way the young group of receivers and a QB that was developed in Dunbar's spread would figure it out in 1 season.
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I think all of this pretty much sums up how I felt about Fisch. Never figured out how to coach college kids or gameplan. In other words, a crappy B10 OC but probably a pretty good NFL position coach.
 

In answer to Gophmeister yes Fisch was very short

5-0 to 5-2" tall. Surprised he could see the field from not being in the booth.
 




Ole said:
His problem had more to do with converting his knowledge of the game to college kids, than it did with his knowledge of the game. I can see why NFL coaches think highly of him. He'll be a fine NFL coach.

There were flashes of great calls all year, but never any consistency, and never a "steady hand" so to speak. He would get cute with playcalls at the wrong times. He would get the O going and then run some silly play on 2nd and 10.

In the end what killed him was assuming that all the players could make the right reads all at the same time. His scheme demanded it and there was no way the young group of receivers and a QB that was developed in Dunbar's spread would figure it out in 1 season.

Bottom line, though, he's moved on why do we care anymore?
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Fisch's problem was more a problem of college kids not being smart enough to get his plays or having enough time to put into studying all the plays. He is a fine NFL coach.
 

Schnoodler said:
I'm glad he's gone.
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Imagine how Adam Weber must feel. Lots of reasons why a QB who had shown potential and good instincts his previous years turned into such a mess last year. A big one IMO is his rookie offensive coordinator and his sophisticated system.

Sure hope Weber can have a good year with somebody who knows how to coach college kids. First, it would be great because it would mean a much better season for the offense. Second, it would be great to shut up some of his critics last year who were brutal on him. No college kid should have had some of that garbage said about him no matter what and don't give me the tired "this isn't junior high crap" even if you went on to gridiron stardom about one level beyond that.
 

Mulligan said:
Imagine how Adam Weber must feel. Lots of reasons why a QB who had shown potential and good instincts his previous years turned into such a mess last year. A big one IMO is his rookie offensive coordinator and his sophisticated system.

Sure hope Weber can have a good year with somebody who knows how to coach college kids. First, it would be great because it would mean a much better season for the offense. Second, it would be great to shut up some of his critics last year who were brutal on him. No college kid should have had some of that garbage said about him no matter what and don't give me the tired "this isn't junior high crap" even if you went on to gridiron stardom about one level beyond that.
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Please give examples to this "good instincts & potential" that Weber showed. His instincts are terrible and have always been terrible, he spins into defenders arms. He showed a little toughness as a freshman that led me to believe he had a chance to be good but he never progressed.
 

RodentRampage said:
Unlike you, they've gotten over themselves.

What in the world do you expect them to do??? Should they wear sackcloth and ashes for eternity flogging themselves for having thought that Fisch wasn't so bad?

The blind dog found an acorn. Good for you.
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Who pissed in your beer glass?
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
In answer to Gophmeister yes Fisch was very short.....5-0 to 5-2" tall.
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Are you being serious? Fisch was nearly six-foot tall. You might be thinking of Richard Hightower the old WR coach, who was about 5-2.
 

Fish failed to get to know his players.

He called plays with his ego.

He failed to take advantage of our limited strengths. Meaning calling the best plays for the team.

Instead he called what he thought would work best in his head.

And obviously those were two very different things.

The guy who calls the better plays will win the game.
 

Fisch's biggest problem was failing to give attention to detail.

Instead of working on basic things and perfecting the fundamentals, Fisch spent much of his week implementing 60 or 70 "special" plays for that weekend's game. So, guys spent most of their time working on those things and never really doing them well. That lead to all of the false starts, misreads, lack of blitz pickup, fumbled snaps, etc. No attention to detail.

At the college level, the key is figuring out what your strengths are, perfecting those strengths, working on them, giving them proper importance, and then subtly branch off of those strengths. Perfecting a smaller playbook and doing it well is much more beneficial than trying to tackle a mammoth number of plays and doing all of them below average.

The new coordinator will do it right.
 

Originally Posted by Mulligan View Post
Imagine how Adam Weber must feel. Lots of reasons why a QB who had shown potential and good instincts his previous years turned into such a mess last year. A big one IMO is his rookie offensive coordinator and his sophisticated system.

Sure hope Weber can have a good year with somebody who knows how to coach college kids. First, it would be great because it would mean a much better season for the offense. Second, it would be great to shut up some of his critics last year who were brutal on him. No college kid should have had some of that garbage said about him no matter what and don't give me the tired "this isn't junior high crap" even if you went on to gridiron stardom about one level beyond that.



bankonit said:
Please give examples to this "good instincts & potential" that Weber showed. His instincts are terrible and have always been terrible, he spins into defenders arms. He showed a little toughness as a freshman that led me to believe he had a chance to be good but he never progressed.
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exhibit A
 

I hope Brewsters OJT has taught him the pitfalls of not hiring coordinators from the NFL asst. coaching ranks and inflexible and one track minded coaches. But that has been his world up recently. Horton, Cos, etc know what it takes to be successful with CFB.
 

Coaching in college is different than coaching in the pros. Some coaches can do both, some can't. In the pros, you can alter your talent to suit your gameplan. You get to draft, make trades and sign free agents. In college, you have to persude athletes to come there. If college football had a draft, it would be quite different! :D

I think the biggest beef with Brewster has been the disarray with the offense, not just with coordinators, but with styles. We made a radical change to the spread, and, dumped that to go with the pro style. Hopefully, this change will get things working. Major changes in a team's offensive style shouldn't be too common.

That said, if it were up to me, I'd switch to the Flexbone. :D
 

I think my biggest beef with Brewster was not in getting rid of Dunbar or even getting Fisch. It was not putting the clamps down on Fisch and making him simplify things last year and get the execution of the plays down. That being said I think Horton could be a very good hire and I expect at least a "non-confused" offense. Guys knowing what they are supposed to do on each play will be a big improvement from last year. Too bad he didn't get Horton to replace Dunbar in the first place. Season is getting close - can't wait.
 

I'm not that fond of the spread, but when he got rid of Dunbar, he could have gotten another spread coach, there are plenty of them out there. With Fisch, even in the NFL, you have to adjust your offense to what the players can do, you're not always going to have the ideal players.
 


ButchNashGuy said:
Too bad he didn't get Horton to replace Dunbar in the first place.
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The sad fact is Horton interviewed for the job, but it went to Fisch instead. We could be talking about year two under both Horton and Cosgrove.
 

bankonit said:
Please give examples to this "good instincts & potential" that Weber showed. His instincts are terrible and have always been terrible, he spins into defenders arms. He showed a little toughness as a freshman that led me to believe he had a chance to be good but he never progressed.
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Freshman All Big 10, 20th in the nation in total offense yards, 617 yards rushing. Many of the rushing yards were when he would take off rather than get sacked or force a throw. Despite what you claim, his instincts were pretty impressive for a freshman.

Sophomore 2nd Team Coaches Big 10 Team. I'll bet some of those coaches know football talent even better than you. Only 8 interceptions in 410 attempts. Not bad bad for always terrible instincts. 62% completion rate as a sophomore.

Is that enough for you? Yes, it was painful watching him last year, but only a fool would claim this kid never showed potential. Perhaps he never progressed because of the coaching he got last year? I guess you're one of those I hope he really shuts up.
 

I'm glad the Fisch is going to be "correcting" quarterback's throwing motion somewhere else. I think this team is going to surprise a lot of people.
 

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