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Who do you want?

Butler
California
Cincinnati
Colorado
Colorado St
Creighton
Missouri
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Saint Mary's
San Diego St
Temple
UCLA
VCU

Underlined are most likely for an 8-9 matchup.
 

Face The Facts said:
Who do you want?

Butler
California
Cincinnati
Colorado
Colorado St
Creighton
Missouri
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Saint Mary's
San Diego St
Temple
UCLA
VCU

Underlined are most likely for an 8-9 matchup.
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Gimme Temple, Saint Mary's, or Cinncinati (out of those).

I think UCLA and CSU will get higher seeds, but maybe not.
 

I'll take Cal, Okla, Oregon, or St. Mary's. I don't think they have the defense to stop us.

VCU with it's HAVOC defense or Butler would be nightmare matchups. I think Creighton would be a tough out as well. They're fairly disciplined and have some 3 point shooters to compliment McDermott.
 

It would be fun to see Colton again, Cobb went where?
 

Unless the Gophs show well in the BIG tourney, I don't see a 8 or 9 seed. More like a 12.
 


Bayfieldgopher said:
Unless the Gophs show well in the BIG tourney, I don't see a 8 or 9 seed. More like a 12.
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Really unlikely they drop to a 12.
The teams at that level just don't have the good wins MN has and they have far worse losses than MN has. Losing to Illinois won't change that. Gophers right now are a high 9 seed, at worse they slide 4 or 5 spots which would still put them around a 10 at worst.

As a 10 seed, these same teams will be in the ballpark of who we play depending on which lose and win.
 

ulmer said:
It would be fun to see Colton again, Cobb went where?
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California.
So that's a possibility.

Saint Mary's is very unlikely since there is currently a 50% chance we are in the bracket with Gonzaga. If we are in with Gonzaga, St. Mary's is someplace else.
 


teams to play

Give me any team who doesnt play zone and who plays uptempo!
 



tinyarch said:
More like NIT Tubby...but apparently the mods don't want to consider this possibility...
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Since you seem so confident in multiple threads, want to put your money where your mouth is? I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds...we can do the "charity bet" that GW has done in the past.
 

I don't have any money, but IF we make the selection (better hope we beat Illinois tomorrow), I can't see us getting better than an 11 seed, with a 12 seed being more appropriate. As someone else said, the Gophers are the epitome of a bi-polar team. The question is which team is going to show up. So...given the theoretical possibility that we get invited, what four or five seeded teams would you imagine the Gophers would best match up with?
 

tinyarch said:
I don't have any money, but IF we make the selection (better hope we beat Illinois tomorrow), I can't see us getting better than an 11 seed, with a 12 seed being more appropriate. As someone else said, the Gophers are the epitome of a bi-polar team. The question is which team is going to show up. So...given the theoretical possibility that we get invited, what four or five seeded teams would you imagine the Gophers would best match up with?
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@GophersNow

Just heard from @JoeLunardi that #Gophers could be high as four or five seed winning #B1G tourney. Losing to Illinois won't knock them out.
 

tinyarch said:
I don't have any money, but IF we make the selection (better hope we beat Illinois tomorrow), I can't see us getting better than an 11 seed, with a 12 seed being more appropriate. As someone else said, the Gophers are the epitome of a bi-polar team. The question is which team is going to show up. So...given the theoretical possibility that we get invited, what four or five seeded teams would you imagine the Gophers would best match up with?
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We will not be a 12 seed.
 



tinyarch said:
More like NIT Tubby...but apparently the mods don't want to consider this possibility...
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tinyarch said:
I don't have any money, but IF we make the selection (better hope we beat Illinois tomorrow), I can't see us getting better than an 11 seed, with a 12 seed being more appropriate. As someone else said, the Gophers are the epitome of a bi-polar team. The question is which team is going to show up. So...given the theoretical possibility that we get invited, what four or five seeded teams would you imagine the Gophers would best match up with?
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Changed your tone pretty quick there. The fact is, the other bubble teams do not have the signature wins that the Gophers have, they don't have the RPI ranking, and they don't have the SOS. The Illinois game will not give us another bad loss. I still think we will be an 11 seed at worst. Just don't get the folks on here that think we will be a fringe or NIT team this year.

Still, I think we beat Illinois either way.
 

stocker08 said:
Changed your tone pretty quick there. The fact is, the other bubble teams do not have the signature wins that the Gophers have, they don't have the RPI ranking, and they don't have the SOS. The Illinois game will not give us another bad loss. I still think we will be an 11 seed at worst. Just don't get the folks on here that think we will be a fringe or NIT team this year.

Still, I think we beat Illinois either way.
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It's really just complete ignorance of the selection process and the current field. It's not just folks on here, I've heard all week long on the radio people thinking they are a NIT or bubble team.
 

Anyone who wants to see a bipolar team, look at Viriginia who is outside looking in right now.

RPI total of their top 5 wins: 145 (Avg RPI of 29)
RPI total of their worst 5 losses 962 (avg RPI of 192)

Losses to:
Delaware
George Mason
Wake Forest
Clemson
Old Dominion


For Gophers to slide even down to an 11 seed, they would need to get surpassed by all of these teams:

Missouri
San Diego St
Oklahoma
Illinois
Saint Mary's (not going to happen)
Wichita State (their done playing)
Temple
Cincinnati

Start arguing how each of them have a better resume than MN does after another Illinois loss.
 

Gold Vision said:
It's really just complete ignorance of the selection process and the current field. It's not just folks on here, I've heard all week long on the radio people thinking they are a NIT or bubble team.
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The people who argue this usually have no valid argument who "should be in their spot instead".

Some will say "Wichita State" or "Kentucky" depending on what their argument is, but in many, both are already in, or if you really compare resumes, Kentucky's for example, it's a total disaster.
 

stocker08 said:
Changed your tone pretty quick there. The fact is, the other bubble teams do not have the signature wins that the Gophers have, they don't have the RPI ranking, and they don't have the SOS. The Illinois game will not give us another bad loss. I still think we will be an 11 seed at worst. Just don't get the folks on here that think we will be a fringe or NIT team this year.

Still, I think we beat Illinois either way.
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I'm not sure how I changed my tone. I'm allowing for the hypothetical.

When you land 9th out of 12 teams in your conference, you shouldn't think you'll end up with a high seed in the NCAA tourney. Even a 9th seed is far too high for 9th place team in the B1G. And...if you let Minnesota in the dance, you have to let in Iowa. They were clearly better than us throughout the B1G season.

If we lose to Illinois we cement the fact that we have tanked the last half of the season and don't deserve to be selected. However, if we get in, then the selection committee would be very gracious to give us a 10 seed when we really should be an 11 or 12 seed. We just don't deserve anything higher than that.

The only way we move up is if we go deep into the B1G tournament. I'm not holding my breath on that, but you never know when you're dealing with a bi-polar team.
 

tinyarch said:
I'm not sure how I changed my tone. I'm allowing for the hypothetical.

When you land 9th out of 12 teams in your conference, you shouldn't think you'll end up with a high seed in the NCAA tourney. Even a 9th seed is far too high for 9th place team in the B1G. And...if you let Minnesota in the dance, you have to let in Iowa. They were clearly better than us throughout the B1G season.If we lose to Illinois we cement the fact that we have tanked the last half of the season and don't deserve to be selected. However, if we get in, then the selection committee would be very gracious to give us a 10 seed when we really should be an 11 or 12 seed. We just don't deserve anything higher than that.

The only way we move up is if we go deep into the B1G tournament. I'm not holding my breath on that, but you never know when you're dealing with a bi-polar team.
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they won a single game more than the gophers...and iowa didnt beat one of the top 4 teams, i get it youre pissed but blind rage isnt making your arguement very well
 

tinyarch said:
I'm not sure how I changed my tone. I'm allowing for the hypothetical.

When you land 9th out of 12 teams in your conference, you shouldn't think you'll end up with a high seed in the NCAA tourney. Even a 9th seed is far too high for 9th place team in the B1G. And...if you let Minnesota in the dance, you have to let in Iowa. They were clearly better than us throughout the B1G season.

If we lose to Illinois we cement the fact that we have tanked the last half of the season and don't deserve to be selected. However, if we get in, then the selection committee would be very gracious to give us a 10 seed when we really should be an 11 or 12 seed. We just don't deserve anything higher than that.

The only way we move up is if we go deep into the B1G tournament. I'm not holding my breath on that, but you never know when you're dealing with a bi-polar team.
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Nice job hedging your bet.

"They don't belong if they lose, but if they happen to get seeded where you are saying, it's because the committee is being gracious to them"
Of course it has nothing to do with their resume being stronger than the 10 - 15 teams below them. It will be because the committee was very gracious.

Oh, by the way:

Iowa's conference wins
24 <-- Minnesota
41
43
103
115
166
166
183
183

Minnesota Conference Wins
5
8
41
43
76 <-- Iowa
103
166
183

Take out head to head and wins vs common opponents (where they both beat the same team).

Iowa's conference wins
115
166
183

Minnesota Conference Wins
5
8

What's more impressive?
Three extra wins against RPI >100?
If you think so, we just have to disagree.
 

tinyarch said:
I'm not sure how I changed my tone. I'm allowing for the hypothetical.

When you land 9th out of 12 teams in your conference, you shouldn't think you'll end up with a high seed in the NCAA tourney. Even a 9th seed is far too high for 9th place team in the B1G. And...if you let Minnesota in the dance, you have to let in Iowa. They were clearly better than us throughout the B1G season.

If we lose to Illinois we cement the fact that we have tanked the last half of the season and don't deserve to be selected. However, if we get in, then the selection committee would be very gracious to give us a 10 seed when we really should be an 11 or 12 seed. We just don't deserve anything higher than that.

The only way we move up is if we go deep into the B1G tournament. I'm not holding my breath on that, but you never know when you're dealing with a bi-polar team.
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For whatever reason, you still can't understand that they finished tied for 7th place. Even the Big Ten website lists it that way: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/m-baskbl-standings.html
Me saying this does not mean I'm making excuses to try to make the season look better. Most everyone agrees, the season has been a big disappointment to this point.

Also, for some reason you can't figure out that the NCAA tournament teams are determined by what they do over the course of the entire season, not just in the conference. Iowa was slightly better during conference play, MN was way better out of conference.
 

Aside from who they play, another question would be where. Not sure the likelihood, but Marcus Fuller was just on 1500 talking about how interesting it would be if they ended up in Rupp Arena.
 

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