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Yeah it's always amazed me how he gets so little heat from the media, even though he many times acts like Bobby Knight did. I really don't have a problem with what he does or how he does it. It's the fact that so many act like Duke is such a "model program". Totally ridiculous.
 

Tyus, you enjoy your quality time with coach K at Duke, and take special pride in wearing the "bleeping" colors.
 


I'm confused with the obsession people have with coach K. What do people expect from a guy who went to West Point and received his training in coaching under bob Knight? Is it coach K people hate or Dicky V?
 


I'm confused with the obsession people have with coach K. What do people expect from a guy who went to West Point and received his training in coaching under bob Knight? Is it coach K people hate or Dicky V?

I kind of like coach Dicky V.
 

I'm confused with the obsession people have with coach K. What do people expect from a guy who went to West Point and received his training in coaching under bob Knight? Is it coach K people hate or Dicky V?
Wait, what does that have to do with anything? Can't people hate both?
 

I'm confused with the obsession people have with coach K. What do people expect from a guy who went to West Point and received his training in coaching under bob Knight? Is it coach K people hate or Dicky V?

That's the thing though. The media doesn't portray him as a Bob Knight type coach. Bob Knight's "style" of coaching was constantly being talked about even when he was winning at Indiana. Coach K gets a pass from everyone for some reason.

I'm fine with his style of coaching. I just think many people ignore this part of him.
 

That's the thing though. The media doesn't portray him as a Bob Knight type coach. Bob Knight's "style" of coaching was constantly being talked about even when he was winning at Indiana. Coach K gets a pass from everyone for some reason.

I'm fine with his style of coaching. I just think many people ignore this part of him.
Makes sense. I've never been in the Duke hate camp so I probably am a bit immune to the kid gloves the media handles Coach K with.
 



Yeah it's always amazed me how he gets so little heat from the media, even though he many times acts like Bobby Knight did. I really don't have a problem with what he does or how he does it. It's the fact that so many act like Duke is such a "model program". Totally ridiculous.

+1

other than the championship year, they have fallen to much lower seeds in the NCAA every year for a decade.

#2 seed this year?? they would be lucky to be .500 in the big10.

done worry, gopheriniowa... the end is near.. the great athletes and guards have stopped coming.. all their bigs do are set screens or kick out rebounds to shooters... so only the stiff bigs go to duke now. the glory of brand/battier/williams is long gone.
 

Funny time for this thread. Duke goes home early. Great win Lehigh!!
 

So happy to see Coach K's tears so early this tourney! I wonder if he'll try to pass this loss on his record passed off to Wojo, Chris Collins or one of his other lackeys.
 

+1

other than the championship year, they have fallen to much lower seeds in the NCAA every year for a decade.

#2 seed this year?? they would be lucky to be .500 in the big10.

done worry, gopheriniowa... the end is near.. the great athletes and guards have stopped coming.. all their bigs do are set screens or kick out rebounds to shooters... so only the stiff bigs go to duke now. the glory of brand/battier/williams is long gone.

Good observation. You are dead on. Those Pukie players were just not that good. Ironically, their bigs dominated when they got the chance, but that bomb the three approach they have is high risk basketball. Maybe Coach K could make, um, an adjustment once in a while to take advantage of his players skills.

Note to big time local recruits: The Gophers have won one more post season game than Puke this year!

It was a glorious St. Patrick's Day Eve!
 



+1

other than the championship year, they have fallen to much lower seeds in the NCAA every year for a decade.

#2 seed this year?? they would be lucky to be .500 in the big10.

done worry, gopheriniowa... the end is near.. the great athletes and guards have stopped coming.. all their bigs do are set screens or kick out rebounds to shooters... so only the stiff bigs go to duke now. the glory of brand/battier/williams is long gone.

They've now made it past the Sweet 16 just once in the past 8 years. They were a #1 or #2 seed in 7 of those 8 years.
 

Expanding on your thread, Gophers in Iowa, since 2000-01, which I believe was the last great Duke team (Jay Williams, Boozer, Dunleavy, Battier) here is what has occurred in the tournament in the last 11 NCAA tournaments:
2001-02: #1 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to Indiana (#5 seed)
2002-03: #3 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to Kansas (#2 seed)
2003-04: #1 seed, loses in Final Four to Connecticut (#2 seed)
2004-05: #1 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to Michigan St. (#5 seed)
2005-06: #1 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to LSU (#4 seed)
2006-07: #6 seed, loses in first round to VCU (#11 seed)
2007-08: #2 seed, loses in second round to West Virginia (#7 seed)
2008-09: #2 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to Villanova (#3 seed)
2009-10: #1 seed, National Champs
2010-11: #1 seed, loses in Sweet Sixteen round to Arizona (#5 seed)
2011-12: #2 seed, loses in first round to Lehigh (#15 seed)

Final Tally over 11 yr period (assuming #1 seed expected to Final Four, #2 seed to Elite Eight, etc.):
Overperformed to seed: 1 year (2009-10)
Performed to seed: 2 years (2002-03; 2003-04)
Underperformed to seed: 8 years

National Champs: 1 year; Final Four: 2 years; Elite Eights: 3 years; Sweet Sixteen: 9 years

How does that compare to other programs of note in those 11 years?
UNC: 2 national championships; 3 Final Fours, 5 Elite Eights, 7 Sweet Sixteens
Michigan St: 3 Final Fours; 4 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet Sixteen
UCLA: 4 Final Fours; 4 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet Sixteen
UConn: 2 national championships; 1 Final Four; 5 Elite Eights; 6 Sweet Sixteen
Syracuse: 1 national championship; 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens
Kentucky: 1 Final Four; 4 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet Sixteen
Kansas: 1 national championship; 3 Final Fours; 6 Elite Eights; 7 Sweet Sixteens

While Duke has got the other big boys beat on the Sweet Sixteens, they lag behind everyone on this list in Elite Eights (except Syracuse). What does that tell us? That over the last eleven years, except for their national championship in 2010, they have not risen up against the other big boys of the NCAA. In fact, if not for that championship season, the last three NCAA appearances have ended in embarrassment for the Dukies-two blowout losses to Villanova and Arizona and a loss to #15 Lehigh (which didn't look fluky at all-in fact, it seemed that Lehigh left quite a few points on the floor last night).

More and more, Coach K seems to be emulating his mentor, Bob Knight. I mean that in this context-Knight was at the top of his profession from about the mid '70s to mid '80s (from '73 to '84: 2 National Championships, 3 Final Fours, 5 Elite Eights, 7 Sweet Sixteens, 7 Big Ten titles). Over the next 10 years, Knight continued to win, but not at the same elite clip ('85 to '94: 1 National Championship, 2 Final Fours, 3 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet Sixteens, 4 Big Ten Titles). After '94, Knight never made it to the Sweet Sixteen with Indiana nor finished first in the Big Ten (in his remaining six years as Indiana head coach).

Coach K had an amazing 15 year run from 1986 to 2001 that included 3 National Championships, 9 Final Fours, 10 Elite Eights, and 12 Sweet Sixteens. I think there's a strong argument there that it's as impressive as UCLA's national championship streak. However, the next eleven years, laid out above, has shown a leveling off of Duke's superiority to the rest of the college basketball world. Three of the last four years they have been embarrassed in the NCAA tourney. Are those years the aberration or was the '10 N.C. the aberration?
 




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