ESPN: Schedule analysis: Minnesota (Gut Check Game: Ohio St; Trap Game: Illinois)

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Gut-check game: The Gophers haven't played Ohio State since 2010, and after that 52-10 loss, they weren't exactly clamoring for more games with the Buckeyes. Urban Meyer's team visits TCF Bank Stadium on Nov. 15, which also happens to be Senior Day for Minnesota. Since the final two games are on the road against Nebraska and Wisconsin, the Gophers need to make their best stand here or risk a rough finish.

Trap game: The Oct. 25 game at Illinois arrives after a stretch of two winnable home games and before a bye that precedes the challenging final four games. If the Illini offense is as potent as it was a year ago, the Gophers may have a hard time keeping pace.

Snoozer: Eastern Illinois may have presented a stiff challenge last year, but since quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo went to the NFL and head coach Dino Babers bolted for Bowling Green, Minnesota should be a heavy favorite in the opener.

Nonconference challenge: The TCU game stands out in an otherwise ho-hum collection of nonleague games. The Horned Frogs had a rough go of it last year in the Big 12 and are trying to regain their footing. Given the conference hurdles awaiting the Gophers, grabbing a win in Fort Worth could prove crucial to the season.

Analysis: Jerry Kill and his staff are very confident in the roster they've built, thinking this might be their best Gophers team yet. But the schedule might mean this is a case where the team is improved and the record is not. Those final four games are a bear, and drawing Ohio State and a road trip to the Big House as crossovers is about as burdensome as it gets. Minnesota faltered down the stretch last season after a great start. This schedule sets up for a similar story unless the Gophers have truly taken the next step forward.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/104816/schedule-analysis-minnesota-3

Go Gophers!!
 

But the schedule might mean this is a case where the team is improved and the record is not.

The notion that the gophers schedule is harder this year compared to last is absurd. It's flat out easier than 2013. We lose Michigan State, Penn State, and Indiana and gain Illinois, Purdue, and Ohio State. OSU and MSU are a wash, and playing Illinois and Purdue is easier than Penn State and Indiana.
 

Road game at TCU instead of New Mexico State tips it much harder, but I see your point.
 

The notion that the gophers schedule is harder this year compared to last is absurd. It's flat out easier than 2013. We lose Michigan State, Penn State, and Indiana and gain Illinois, Purdue, and Ohio State. OSU and MSU are a wash, and playing Illinois and Purdue is easier than Penn State and Indiana.
I think Illinois will be dangerous at home this year. Their o-coordinator was the HC at Western Mich when we played them here, and they gave us a very good game. That is a hard offense to defend with all of the late people subs. I think it is our trap game, since we are underdogs in all of our other road games. The Illinois offense would have been a good offense for Scheelhaase, I am glad he is gone.
We'll see if Indiana is who everyone thinks they will be, at some point he has to win some games. PSU was not a lot better than Illinois or Indiana last year, they just have a bigger name, so that is not a big schedule improvement.
Our schedule is hard whether it is a lot harder than last year or not.
 

The notion that the gophers schedule is harder this year compared to last is absurd. It's flat out easier than 2013. We lose Michigan State, Penn State, and Indiana and gain Illinois, Purdue, and Ohio State. OSU and MSU are a wash, and playing Illinois and Purdue is easier than Penn State and Indiana.

I disagree. I'll give you the Illinois and Purdue vs PSU and Indiana part (even though, I think PSU @ home is pretty similar to Illinois on the road), and we also get Northwestern at home but every other aspect is more difficult. We have TCU on the road, Nebraska and Wisconsin are on the road this year, and while OSU and MSU may be a wash - at least it was on the road last year which makes the automatic loss less significant. Having to play OSU @ home is basically a wasted week for a team that is on the fence of bowl eligibility, because winning home games is so paramount. It may be only a marginally tougher schedule this year, but I think that speaks more towards how difficult it was LAST year. We were fortunate last year to win as many as we did.

The fact remains we will most likely only be favored to win 4-6 games this year.
 


I disagree. I'll give you the Illinois and Purdue vs PSU and Indiana part (even though, I think PSU @ home is pretty similar to Illinois on the road), and we also get Northwestern at home but every other aspect is more difficult. We have TCU on the road, Nebraska and Wisconsin are on the road this year, and while OSU and MSU may be a wash - at least it was on the road last year which makes the automatic loss less significant. Having to play OSU @ home is basically a wasted week for a team that is on the fence of bowl eligibility, because winning home games is so paramount. It may be only a marginally tougher schedule this year, but I think that speaks more towards how difficult it was LAST year. We were fortunate last year to win as many as we did.

The fact remains we will most likely only be favored to win 4-6 games this year.
I agree with this.
 

I disagree. I'll give you the Illinois and Purdue vs PSU and Indiana part (even though, I think PSU @ home is pretty similar to Illinois on the road), and we also get Northwestern at home but every other aspect is more difficult. We have TCU on the road, Nebraska and Wisconsin are on the road this year, and while OSU and MSU may be a wash - at least it was on the road last year which makes the automatic loss less significant. Having to play OSU @ home is basically a wasted week for a team that is on the fence of bowl eligibility, because winning home games is so paramount. It may be only a marginally tougher schedule this year, but I think that speaks more towards how difficult it was LAST year. We were fortunate last year to win as many as we did.

The fact remains we will most likely only be favored to win 4-6 games this year.

If we are "on the fence" for just getting to a bowl game, this will be a very disappointing season.
 

I disagree. I'll give you the Illinois and Purdue vs PSU and Indiana part (even though, I think PSU @ home is pretty similar to Illinois on the road), and we also get Northwestern at home but every other aspect is more difficult. We have TCU on the road, Nebraska and Wisconsin are on the road this year, and while OSU and MSU may be a wash - at least it was on the road last year which makes the automatic loss less significant. Having to play OSU @ home is basically a wasted week for a team that is on the fence of bowl eligibility, because winning home games is so paramount. It may be only a marginally tougher schedule this year, but I think that speaks more towards how difficult it was LAST year. We were fortunate last year to win as many as we did.

The fact remains we will most likely only be favored to win 4-6 games this year.

How so? Does it not cut both ways? We were just as close to beating Syracuse as we were to losing to IU. I also wouldn’t really say that Northwestern was that close to beating us as the score indicated as we were up by 10 going into the final 5 minutes. We were also up on IU 35-13 i believe so if anything it is just as much of a fluke that they even made the final score as close as it was as it is that we won those games. And we beat PSU, Nebraska and the non con opponents by double digits so their can’t be much debate there.
 

I still believe that we will be favored against TCU and Iowa and would not be shocked to be favored at Michigan if we come in at 4-0 while they come in at 3-1 with a loss to ND which is the most likely scenario in my mind. Assuming we are 2-0 and TCU is 1-0 I just don’t see how a team that literally won half as many games as we did last year could be favored even if it is a road game. As for Iowa, a team that had the same record as us last year, we return slightly more guys than they do, have more impact freshman at the skill positions that should provide more playmaking and explosiveness and it is a home game. If both teams come in with one loss which I once again believe to be the most likely scenario i won’t expect them to be favored.
 



I am not a gambler, but it's my understanding that home field advantage is automatically worth (something) in factoring the point spread. So, in order for the road team to be favored, the bookies (or whoever sets the line) have to feel that the road team is quite a bit better than the home team.

and, let's not forget, the whole purpose of a point spread is to make people want to bet on the game. So, if a hypothetical Gopher fan sees the Gophs are an underdog on the road, he may be more tempted to bet on the Gophers, if he believes they have a good chance to win (or to cover the spread).
 

I still believe that we will be favored against TCU and Iowa and would not be shocked to be favored at Michigan if we come in at 4-0 while they come in at 3-1 with a loss to ND which is the most likely scenario in my mind. Assuming we are 2-0 and TCU is 1-0 I just don’t see how a team that literally won half as many games as we did last year could be favored even if it is a road game. As for Iowa, a team that had the same record as us last year, we return slightly more guys than they do, have more impact freshman at the skill positions that should provide more playmaking and explosiveness and it is a home game. If both teams come in with one loss which I once again believe to be the most likely scenario i won’t expect them to be favored.

You make some good arguments, but being favored at Michigan is ridiculous. Iowa's a tossup -I'll give you that (even though they've DOMINATED us the last two seasons), but I'd be shocked if we were less than 10 point underdogs @ Michigan. TCU was also in the Rose Bowl two years ago...outside of the random USC mistake that Brewster scheduled, this will be the toughest non-conference game since Mason's trek into Cal.
 

I am going to the Illinois game and have been to Champaign in the past. Not a loud crowd at all and they cheer louder for the band than they do the team. I am not buying the Gophers have a trap game.

Ski-u-mah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

You make some good arguments, but being favored at Michigan is ridiculous. Iowa's a tossup -I'll give you that (even though they've DOMINATED us the last two seasons), but I'd be shocked if we were less than 10 point underdogs @ Michigan. TCU was also in the Rose Bowl two years ago...outside of the random USC mistake that Brewster scheduled, this will be the toughest non-conference game since Mason's trek into Cal.
Yep, no way will we be favored against michigan unless they look awful in nonconference games. And I'd be pretty surprised if we're favored at TCU. The iowa game is so far away it's hard to say, but if the two teams played the game tomorrow I think they'd be favored.
 



Yep, no way will we be favored against michigan unless they look awful in nonconference games. And I'd be pretty surprised if we're favored at TCU. The iowa game is so far away it's hard to say, but if the two teams played the game tomorrow I think they'd be favored.

I have a terrible memory for stuff like this, but weren't the Gophers ~10 point underdogs in each of the games in our 4-game Big Ten win streak last year?

I agree that we'll very likely be underdogs against Iowa, MIchigan, and TCU; but god damn, Kill doesn't seem to mind.
 

I have a terrible memory for stuff like this, but weren't the Gophers ~10 point underdogs in each of the games in our 4-game Big Ten win streak last year?

I agree that we'll very likely be underdogs against Iowa, MIchigan, and TCU; but god damn, Kill doesn't seem to mind.
I think we were slight favorites against PSU, but that sounds right about the previous 3 games. I think we were double digit 'dogs in all 3 of those wins.
 

I think we were slight favorites against PSU, but that sounds right about the previous 3 games. I think we were double digit 'dogs in all 3 of those wins.

What I remember is being told that if you bet a dollar on the Gophs to beat Northwestern, and then let the winnings ride trough the four game winning streak, you would have turned it into $80 after the PSU win.
 

What I remember is being told that if you bet a dollar on the Gophs to beat Northwestern, and then let the winnings ride trough the four game winning streak, you would have turned it into $80 after the PSU win.

That would be the money line rather than the spread.

The money line is where you bet $100 (for example, and usually expressed that way) and with the underdog, you might win $140, vs. that same bet on the favorite, you would win something like $70 (plus your original bet amount back).
 

All right, gonna write a long post here. Feel free not to read it, but I just wanted to look at our 2014 games in detail for my own benefit and writing it down makes me research it/think about it a little bit.

It's a fascinating question of whether 2014 is a harder schedule than 2013, and it's very important because who you play - and especially when you play them - is a big part of your overall record. To do this right, let's recap 2013.
08/29/2013 UNLV W 51-23
09/07/2013 @ New Mexico State W 44-21
09/14/2013 Western Illinois W 29-12
09/21/2013 San Jose State W 43-24
09/28/2013 Iowa L 7-23
10/05/2013 @ Michigan L 13-42
10/19/2013 @ Northwestern W 20-17
10/26/2013 Nebraska W 34-23
11/02/2013 @ Indiana W 42-39
11/09/2013 Penn State W 24-10
11/23/2013 Wisconsin L 7-20
11/30/2013 @ Michigan State L 3-14
12/27/2013 vs. Syracuse L 17-21
So, let's recap, we played 4 NC games against average to below average teams that we beat by grinding into submission. Then we were beaten solidly by Iowa & Michigan. Then, the key to our successful season - we took a bye week off, rested up and regrouped. Then we played a battered, injured, and depressed Northwestern team and ground them into submission. A nice win and it keyed the season turnaround. We solidly beat Nebraska, shakily beat Indiana, and solidly beat Penn State before losing against very good Wisconsin & Michigan St teams by fairly closely margins.

In 2013, we could not have played Northwestern at a more opportune time. If we'd played them week 1 of the B1G season, when they were brimming with confidence and healthy, we probably would've lost. We played at Michigan when we were a bit tired from 6 games in a row. If we'd have played them towards the end of the season, with our incline and their decline it probably would've been very close and we may have won. Also, UNLV improved throughout their season. Probably would've beat them at any time, but they were definitely worse the first few weeks. There weren't really any games I thought we outplayed the other team but lost or that they outplayed us where we won. The only game that was somewhat fluky was the road win at Indy. Indy should've at least kicked a FG to go to OT with the momentum, but they didn't. But we should've never let them back in it. So overall, a solid 8-5 but one very much dependent on catching Northwestern at the right time.

Let's see how the 2014 schedule shakes out, and I think we should really think of it as 3 mini-seasons:
Mini-season 1: before the first bye:
8/28 vs E Illinois
9/6 vs MTSU
9/13 at TCU
9/20 vs SJSU
9/27 at Michigan
So, we should really be able to grind out wins in the 3 home games much as we did last year. The 2 road games are real wildcards, though. In their 2 years in the Big12, TCU has been <.500 both years, but they've competed and haven't been blown out. We could lose or win and it's so early in the season, both teams will still be figuring out what they have and getting organized. We play Michigan in both teams' 5th games in 5 weeks. Michigan plays at Notre Dame week 2 and hosts Utah week 4 (Utah's record on paper is extremely similar to TCU). Michigan lost 6 of their last 8 games last year but were close in all but 1 of them. Are they getting worse or was last year just a string of close losses that snowballed? By week 5, I'm hoping Michigan is at least 3-1 or even 2-2 and feeling lousy about themselves. It's pretty early for players to bail on a coach, but if they're 2-2 and we get up early on them, they could hang their heads and the crowd could turn on them and then we could crush them or at least beat them. But more likely Michigan will be 3-1 or 4-0 and fairly confident. We can still beat them if we're truly improved from last year, but time will tell.
Bottom Line for mini-season 1: worse than 3-2 and we've got serious problems. 4-1 should be almost expected and 5-0 is possible but optimistic

Mini-season 2:
10/5 vs NW
10/12 vs Purdue
10/19 at Illinois
So NW lost Kain Colter, but Venric Mark should be back, but we again play them after our bye and after they play Wisconsin. They play at Penn St the week before that and they open with Cal & N Illinois. So their record could be all over the place depending. No one ever gives NW any respect, but they were a lot better team than their record last year. They gave Ohio St all they wanted and almost won. We might get lucky and play them after a beat down from Wisconsin, or they could be 4-1/5-0 and confident. It's at home this year, which should help us a bit, but still this will be a test. Purdue was terrible last year and should be better but still bad this year. Illinois was bad last year. They will have lost to Nebraska & Wisconsin by our games, but they have 3 NC games they should win plus a road game at Washington and a home game vs Purdue. If they have won 4-5 games, they'll be fighting for a bowl spot and up for the game. With 3 or less wins, Beckman will probably be a lame duck and the Gophers should win big. Either way, we should still win that game.
Bottom Line for mini-season 2: should be 2-1 or 3-0. Less is almost unacceptable unless 2 or more opponents are unexpectedly majorly improved

Mini-season 3:
11/8 vs Iowa
11/15 vs Ohio St
11/22 at Nebraska
11/29 at Wisconsin
Well, this is the tough stretch and it's nice we have a bye going into it to regroup and heal up. Iowa's got a soft early B1G season (@Pur, vs Indy, @Mary, vs NW) before they take us on, but they play 2 non-gimme NC games (vs ISU, @Pitt). They were definitely improved last year and better than us but hopefully we're improved. This will be a good test of how much we've improved from 2013 (or not). Ohio St & Wisconsin both had big success under their 1st year coaches but with largely new defenses in 2014, will they take a step back? Everyone thinks OSU is so awesome, but a co-worker of mine who's an OSU fan says he thinks they're overrated, mostly because they lose their D front 7. Nebraska is the only possibility in the last 4 to offer the chance to play a lame duck coach, but this is probably remote. They have possible (probable?) losses to Mich St, Mia(FL), Wisconsin ahead of our game, but it would probably take them losing those 3 plus 2 of NW, Ill, Purdue, Rutgers, & Fresno St for Pelini to achieve lame duck status (with his players therefore mailing it in) by the time we play them. Otherwise, they should be tough but certainly not unbeatable. Wisconsin has crossovers with Maryland & Rutgers and plays LSU & South Florida in NC. They have question marks at receiver and the defensive front 7. Another good test.
Bottom Line for mini-season 3: we wouldn't be favored in any of these 4 if they made the lines today, and I'm sure we'd be very happy with 2-2 in this stretch, but 1-3 is probably acceptable if all the games are close

Well, you gotta think that if we're improved over last year we'll be at least 5-3 by the 2nd bye (and hopefully 6-2,7-1, or even 8-0) . At that point, we're not going to luck into a win. The season could play out that we'd be better than last year and still end up 5-7 or 6-6. But if we get a few breaks like we got last year, we should easily be 7-5, 8-4, 9-3, or even better. Is this season's schedule tougher than 2013? I think 2014 sets up easier in the first 8 games, but the closing 4 games are tougher. If we can take advantage of the early 8 by going at least 6-2 (and preferably 7-1 or 8-0), then we should be brimming with confidence to take on the big boys the last 4 weeks. If we go 5-3 (gulp, or worse) then 2014 will seem like a tougher schedule, and we'll have taken a step back. Bottom line, we've got to be better than last year, and if we are we should have a good chance to do some damage and even compete for a B1G title. BTW, I'll be attending all 4 November games, so I'm desperately hoping we're improved.
 

Excellent post. I'll be at the last four also!
 




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