ESPN on Kill getting COY over Meyer: "we all thought that was pretty ridiculous"

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If Moyer can't understand why Kill won over Meyer why is he employed as a blogger? The average fan understands that given OSU's resources and track record it's difficult to exceed expectations. It's one thing to argue that, Meyer despite OSU's advantages still deserved COY, it's another to not understand why Coach Kill won it.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
So in your opinion, if Meyer were to win the conference every year for the next 20, he would never be the Coach of the Year because he always did it with a defending championship team? That seems to create a bizarre situation where the only way Meyer would be coach of the year would be if he had a few bad years and then bounced back.
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No. You read that wrong. I'm saying the exact opposite.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
So Tim Beckman should have won?

The Gophers improved by 1 game in the B1G this year and so did Ohio State when they won the B1G championship game. Urban also did this with his 3rd string QB.
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Would it be better if I said coach that unexpectedly led his team to contention? Obviously a coach with a team not in contention shouldn't win Coach of the Year.
 


scools12 said:
Seeing how Meyer didn't lose to WV this year doubt that is the blunder that cost him COY.
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I obviously made a mistake in who OSU and Meyer lost to. Since that's all you took the time to comment on, I assume you agree with the rest.

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
Part of coaching in college is getting the blue chips to come to your school.
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Do you think getting blue chips to come to your school is as easy as figuring out who they are and asking them to come? Perhaps we can start a thread about what goes into the blue chippers' decisions to choose a school. Or there's probably an old one we can send you to. A quick synopsis: blue chip recruits did not choose OSU over Minnesota because Meyer did a better job recruiting than Kill.
 



killme said:
I obviously made a mistake in who OSU and Meyer lost to. Since that's all you took the time to comment on, I assume you agree with the rest.


Do you think getting blue chips to come to your school is as easy as figuring out who they are and asking them to come? Perhaps we can start a thread about what goes into the blue chippers' decisions to choose a school. Or there's probably an old one we can send you to. A quick synopsis: blue chip recruits did not choose OSU over Minnesota because Meyer did a better job recruiting than Kill.
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Blue chip recruits also chose Michigan over Minnesota. We still managed the thump them pretty good. Brady Hoke proved that being a successful college coach isn't automatic even when you have a line of blue chips and your pick of the litter. Urban Meyer is doing something right.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Blue chip recruits also chose Michigan over Minnesota. We still managed the thump them pretty good. Brady Hoke proved that being a successful college coach isn't automatic even when you have a line of blue chips and your pick of the litter. Urban Meyer is doing something right.
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No doubt. Who can argue with his record and accomplishments? I guess it's more fun -- to me -- to be rooting for the underdog. And, I'm so glad the coaches and media voters unanimously chose Kill for Coach of the Year. Since the voting is subjective, it says something about the perception of the two men in addition to just the tangible stuff, I think. I suggest if it came down to it, all things being equal, Hoke would have won over Meyer, as well.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Blue chip recruits also chose Michigan over Minnesota. We still managed the thump them pretty good. Brady Hoke proved that being a successful college coach isn't automatic even when you have a line of blue chips and your pick of the litter. Urban Meyer is doing something right.
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I think your example proved the exact opposite of your intent. Urban Meyer is doing exactly what he is supposed to do with Blue Chip recruits. He's a good coach but getting Ohio State to an undefeated season didnt take an extraordinary effort. Kill took his merry band of 2 and 3 stars and beat teams with blue chip recruits. One might say that took more work on Jerry's part.
 



RodentRampage said:
Here's a list of Big Ten coaches of the year. Only one COY had a losing record, Dennis Green at Northwestern in 1982, when they finished 3-8.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/big-ten-coy.html
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Winning 3 games in 82 was a great accomplishment.

I used to work with a guy who went to NW back in the early 80s. Man, they were epically bad.

34 game losing streak
0 wins in 1980 or 1981
1 tie in 1978
1 win in 1976, 1977, 1979

And sadly, they beat the Gophers (and MSU later in the year) in 1982 as well for their first Big 10 victory since 1977. 29 straight losses (or 30 straight non-wins if you count their tie vs Illinois in 1978)
 

cjcarter8 said:
I think your example proved the exact opposite of your intent. Urban Meyer is doing exactly what he is supposed to do with Blue Chip recruits. He's a good coach but getting Ohio State to an undefeated season didnt take an extraordinary effort. Kill took his merry band of 2 and 3 stars and beat teams with blue chip recruits. One might say that took more work on Jerry's part.
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I don't disagree, and I am on record on this thread saying that I think Kill should have got the award. I am just trying to make sure people don't minimize Urban's accomplishments at the same time. All I am really trying to say is that it is not as simple as coasting through a 9-0 season with OSU recruits, because lots of coaches would not have run the table in the B1G, even with all of Urban's advantages.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
I don't disagree, and I am on record on this thread saying that I think Kill should have got the award. I am just trying to make sure people don't minimize Urban's accomplishments at the same time. All I am really trying to say is that it is not as simple as coasting through a 9-0 season with OSU recruits, because lots of coaches would not have run the table in the B1G, even with all of Urban's advantages.
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Gotcha. His team is one of 4 teams playing for the NC. He's done a fair job this year.
 

Count me in the group that thinks Meyer should have won it. To have a new starting RB and inexperienced OL, and then to have to replace your veteran star QB less than two weeks before the season.... and then to recover from that and go through the conference undefeated, winning handily on the road against the second-best team in the conference is pretty remarkable.
 



I have no problem with people arguing the merits, because you can build a case, either way. I just have a problem with people that say there's no way that Coach Kill deserved it. I get that OSU has many advantages, that perhaps were overvalued when evaluating the job Meyer did this year, but that's the nature of subjective awards. People being people, just tend to reward the overachievers, that shouldn't diminish what Coach Kill has done.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
I don't disagree, and I am on record on this thread saying that I think Kill should have got the award. I am just trying to make sure people don't minimize Urban's accomplishments at the same time. All I am really trying to say is that it is not as simple as coasting through a 9-0 season with OSU recruits, because lots of coaches would not have run the table in the B1G, even with all of Urban's advantages.
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I think what we're trying to decide is how many of the other coaches in the B1G would have been 11-1 if they were inserted at the helm of OSU? I'm not saying it's not without it's challenges, but my stance is it's easier to do that than win with slower, smaller, less talented athletes.
 

nsmike said:
I have no problem with people arguing the merits, because you can build a case, either way. I just have a problem with people that say there's no way that Coach Kill deserved it. I get that OSU has many advantages, that perhaps were overvalued when evaluating the job Meyer did this year, but that's the nature of subjective awards. People being people, just tend to reward the overachievers, that shouldn't diminish what Coach Kill has done.
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This. It's not like one person decided who won both awards. Both the coaches and media picked him. It's fine to disagree with him winning but the article and attitude of some OSU fans are that it is completely ridiculous that he won.
 

Anyone who thinks jerry kill did the best job in the conference this year at this point is a major homer.
 





Some guy said:
You are touchy tonight?

Does it bother you the gophers were completely out coached today?
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Does it bother you when your Mom turns the basement lights off and of real quickly when she wants you to turn the TV off and go to bed?
 


Some guy said:
You are touchy tonight?

Does it bother you the gophers were completely out coached today?
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Touchy? Not one bit. I'm in a great mood, actually; thanks very much for thinking of me.

The fact that you're reaching back to dig up this thread says more about you than me. And what is the point? At the time of the voting, I too believe that Kill had done more this year than urban legend had, and the voters also thought the same thing. Today's result does not necessarily negate what had transpired this season.

The Gophers lost today, and people are so eager to shout (incessantly) "COACHING"! And the fact is that you have no idea of what had gone on coaching-wise. If you truly knew that much about coaching, you would be coaching and not posting on this board.

Was it coaching, or execution that had Wilson getting wiped out and allowing mizzou to gash "us" in the middle for huge runs? What was the defensive call? What was the package? What was the reaction to audibles? I'm not as arrogant as you to assume that I know that we were "out-coached" So go ahead and be angry about the result today, I am too, but today's game is over, and it's time to move on.
 

When you say it that way it isn't coaching.

It's the players fault for not executing
We should blame whoever has the job of recruiting the players and preparing the players to execute.



Saying that you have to be a college coach to know what you are talking about may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board.
 


Let's just end this nice and quick:

1. Urban couldn't care less about COY right now. The Sugar Bowl trophy is bigger and heavier.

2. It's nice that Jerry won this award. He earned it in the regular season.

3. It's unfortunate that his empty bowl trophy case will have to be used to house the COY trophy.

4. Can I get a picture of the COY trophy at the state fair? I didn't really want one with the Citrus Bowl trophy.
 

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