ESPN on Kill getting COY over Meyer: "we all thought that was pretty ridiculous"

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ESPN on Kill getting COY over Meyer: "we all thought that was pretty ridiculous"

per ESPN:

Coach of the Year: Let's rewind for a second. Remember how Urban Meyer somehow didn't win the Big Ten Coach of the Year award last week, losing out to Minnesota's Jerry Kill? Well, we bloggers all thought that was pretty ridiculous -- but it could look even more out-of-place in the near future. Meyer was named one of eight finalists for the national Eddie Robinson Award, which is given to the nation's best coach on Jan. 10.

He's not a favorite to win, but it's certainly odd to see a coach as a national candidate but not a conference winner. Also odd: ESPN.com's Brett McMurphy recently polled coaches from around the nation on college football's best coach. Meyer placed second, behind only TCU's Gary Patterson. Kill is undoubtedly a great coach and deserves recognition, but can we all agree it was a great disservice not to name Meyer named B1G coach of the year? I still don't understand the decision …

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/112527/big-ten-morning-links-86

Go Gophers!!
 

What do coaches know about coaching or rating themselves? They should have coaches vote on sports writer of the year.
 

And if OSU would have lost to Wisconsin this wouldn't have been a discussion. So maybe they should push the award date back a week.
 

I get the argument for Meyer. He's a heck of a coach. But both the coaches AND the media voted for Kill. He was obviously deserving.
 

Hard to agree with this writer when Kill was selected by the other B1G coaches...wouldn't it be funny if the vote that put him over the top was by Meyer, because he didn't want to vote for himself. : )
 


Look at the comment section of the article. It's just a lot of Ohio St. fans talking to themselves. Who really cares, it is an award. You'd think OSU fans would be concentrating on the playoffs coming up.

Their smugness and cockiness is why most people can't stand Ohio St. fans.
 

Obviously, the Big Ten coaches didn't agree. Meyer is a finalist for the Eddie Robinson Award, yes, but what of it? Different people vote for that - and different people just might not agree. If Meyer wins the Eddie Robinson Award, it doesn't "prove" he should have been the Big Ten coach of the year. The Big Ten coaches think that bringing Minnesota to back-to-back 8 win seasons and the first winning Big Ten season in 11 years is more impressive than Ohio State - a perennial top-10 team - having a 1-loss season. Not that you couldn't make a case for Meyer, but there's nothing ridiculous about Kill winning it.
 

I sure wouldn't have been surprised or even the least bit upset if Meyer got it. If not this year, it's clear he'll never win it barring some odd circumstance. It's interesting that coaches and media both (clearly) factored in degree of difficulty to their rankings though. Wouldn't have expected that from the media.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Look at the comment section of the article. It's just a lot of Ohio St. fans talking to themselves. Who really cares, it is an award. You'd think OSU fans would be concentrating on the playoffs coming up.

Their smugness and cockiness is why most people can't stand Ohio St. fans.
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Nope
 



"We bloggers thought that was pretty ridiculous..." Well, as has been pointed out, the Big Ten Coaches AND Media both voted for Kill. So I guess the people that are closest to each of the programs, most familiar with the players on each team, the facilities each team has access to, and those that have done the talent evaluations for the players on each team - they are idiots, but the BLOGGERS, yes, the BLOGGERS are the true geniuses.
 

BleedGopher said:
per ESPN:

Coach of the Year: Let's rewind for a second. Remember how Urban Meyer somehow didn't win the Big Ten Coach of the Year award last week, losing out to Minnesota's Jerry Kill? Well, we bloggers all thought that was pretty ridiculous -- but it could look even more out-of-place in the near future. Meyer was named one of eight finalists for the national Eddie Robinson Award, which is given to the nation's best coach on Jan. 10.

He's not a favorite to win, but it's certainly odd to see a coach as a national candidate but not a conference winner. Also odd: ESPN.com's Brett McMurphy recently polled coaches from around the nation on college football's best coach. Meyer placed second, behind only TCU's Gary Patterson. Kill is undoubtedly a great coach and deserves recognition, but can we all agree it was a great disservice not to name Meyer named B1G coach of the year? I still don't understand the decision …

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/112527/big-ten-morning-links-86

Go Gophers!!
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I'm not sure what is odd about it though. Meyer is a much more known coach nationally. Very few outside the conference know Kill and how good of a job he has done.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Hard to agree with this writer when Kill was selected by the other B1G coaches...wouldn't it be funny if the vote that put him over the top was by Meyer, because he didn't want to vote for himself. : )
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For some reason, I doubt this is an issue for Meyer.
 




You could make a fair argument for either, they really did very different things. Meyer did a great job of reaping what he sowed with good recruits in a dynasty program. It's easy to downplay his success and say anyone can dominate at OSU. However, you could probably say the same thing at Texas, Florida, Michigan, and Nebraska, and plenty of well-credentialed coaches have flopped at those schools.

Conversely, we all feel Kill did a great job of spinning straw into gold and did more with less when compared to a lot of other coaches. Obviously, he faces some uphill challenges with the facilities and rebuilding out of Brewster's train wreck, but he also had a chance to recruit most of the guys on the roster. I think they got it right with Kill, I wouldn't have felt snubbed if Meyer got it (certainly not with the benefit of seeing how the title game with 3rd string qb went, which the voters didn't have).
 

Boo hoo for Meyer and Ohio St. Perhaps the coaches are more impressed by actual coaching over just running out the next blue chip to play with all the other blue chips.
 


It's shockingly difficult to win at a place like OSU with five star recruits in a down conference year.
 

First, we know the coaches like to spread this award around. They don't want to give it to the same guy every year. Second, if you took the talent at SMU and win 8 games next year, it's a lot more impressive than taking the talent at Bama and winning 10. And it is doubly as impressive if you win the 8 games with SMU talent in the same conference. Which is what happened here. Well, we're a lot more talented than SMU, but you still get the point.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I'm not sure what is odd about it though. Meyer is a much more known coach nationally. Very few outside the conference know Kill and how good of a job he has done.
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Don't know who the voters are for the Robinson award, but Kill is pretty widely known in the coaching ranks and respected. Remember when he was 3rd in the voting among 98 coaches in the ESPN poll of who they'd want their son to play for? Meyer is more widely known, but Kill pretty connected.

Also, with the best talent in the B1G, Meyer's blunder in losing to WV was the biggest reason he's not COY.
 

killme said:
Don't know who the voters are for the Robinson award, but Kill is pretty widely known in the coaching ranks and respected. Remember when he was 3rd in the voting among 98 coaches in the ESPN poll of who they'd want their son to play for? Meyer is more widely known, but Kill pretty connected.

Also, with the best talent in the B1G, Meyer's blunder in losing to WV was the biggest reason he's not COY.
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Seeing how Meyer didn't lose to WV this year doubt that is the blunder that cost him COY.
 


I am in no means trying to discredit Kill for what he has accomplished this year, but Meyer is 36-3 in a three-year span at tOSU. Also keep in mind that the 2011 team went 6-7 and was likely littered with 5* recruits as well. What else do you want the guy to do?

IMO the award should have gone to Meyer, with Kill finishing a close 2nd and a massive gap from 2nd to 3rd.
 

Hollinsanity said:
I am in no means trying to discredit Kill for what he has accomplished this year, but Meyer is 36-3 in a three-year span at tOSU. Also keep in mind that the 2011 team went 6-7 and was likely littered with 5* recruits as well. What else do you want the guy to do?

IMO the award should have gone to Meyer, with Kill finishing a close 2nd and a massive gap from 2nd to 3rd.
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Everyone realizes its called Coach of the YEAR, right? Not Coach of the last three years. What Kill did this year at Minnesota required better coaching than what Meyer did at OSU. In my opinion coach of the year should almost always go to the coach of the most improved team in the conference. Meyer has maintained the Status Quo and Kill helped his team take another step.
 

gophmeister said:
Boo hoo for Meyer and Ohio St. Perhaps the coaches are more impressed by actual coaching over just running out the next blue chip to play with all the other blue chips.
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Part of coaching in college is getting the blue chips to come to your school.
 

Who cares what some bloggers think? 80% of the time all they write is "derp derp derp I love school X because they have the most fans that visit my site derp derp derp"

Kill won. The coaches and media felt he should've. End of story
 

upnorthkid said:
Kill won. The coaches and media felt he should've. End of story
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Right on. COY is doing better than expected with what ya had. Kill did more with less, and deserves this award.
 

cjcarter8 said:
Everyone realizes its called Coach of the YEAR, right? Not Coach of the last three years. What Kill did this year at Minnesota required better coaching than what Meyer did at OSU. In my opinion coach of the year should almost always go to the coach of the most improved team in the conference. Meyer has maintained the Status Quo and Kill helped his team take another step.
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So in your opinion, if Meyer were to win the conference every year for the next 20, he would never be the Coach of the Year because he always did it with a defending championship team? That seems to create a bizarre situation where the only way Meyer would be coach of the year would be if he had a few bad years and then bounced back.
 

Who cares? OSU fans are being babies about it. Truth is Kill winning COY does way more for our program than Urban winning does for OSU. They don't need any more validation and neither does Meyer. I'm sure he's doing fine with his paycheck and the knowledge that every blue chipper from LA to NY will pick up the phone if he calls. No kid is saying 'you know I hadn't thought about OSU but then I saw he won COY so now I'm intrigued'. They have a classic case of being spoiled to the point where they want everyone and everything to acknowledge how great they are at all times.
 

cjcarter8 said:
Everyone realizes its called Coach of the YEAR, right? Not Coach of the last three years. What Kill did this year at Minnesota required better coaching than what Meyer did at OSU. In my opinion coach of the year should almost always go to the coach of the most improved team in the conference. Meyer has maintained the Status Quo and Kill helped his team take another step.
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So Tim Beckman should have won?

The Gophers improved by 1 game in the B1G this year and so did Ohio State when they won the B1G championship game. Urban also did this with his 3rd string QB.
 

Kill wins COY. People bitch.

If Kill wouldn't have won...people would bitch.

Nice circle of life we have.
 

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