ESPN: Crews at controversial Central Michigan-Oklahoma State game suspended

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The Big 12 and Mid-American conferences both announced Sunday that the officiating and instant replay crews who worked the Central Michigan-Oklahoma State game have been suspended for two games.

The MAC suspended the eight officials who worked the game on Saturday after they wrongly awarded Central Michigan an extra play after time had expired, resulting in the Chippewas' winning Hail Mary-and-lateral touchdown.

"After a thorough review and evaluation of the entire Central Michigan at Oklahoma State contest, we have decided to suspend the officiating crew for the next two consecutive weeks," Bill Carollo, the coordinator of football officials for the Collegiate Officiating Consortium, said in a statement. "I have personally informed the crew of our decision."

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...te-officiating-instant-replay-crews-suspended

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I don't understand why they don't award Okie the win? The game was over had the made the right call, so they can easily rectify it. I understand bad calls are part of the game but not in cases like this.
 


Section2 said:
I don't understand why they don't award Okie the win? The game was over had the made the right call, so they can easily rectify it. I understand bad calls are part of the game but not in cases like this.
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Because there is a NCAA rule that says if the ref says that the game is over, the result of that game is final.

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Suspended, I am shocked. Maybe this might force some of the other officials to study the manual.
 


I hate to be that guy, but as we are reminded ad nauseum one bad call never affects the outcome of a game, the calls even out, they should have stopped the other team from scoring etc etc...

Honestly, with how many blown calls we witness every game this seems much ado about nothing. It just happened to be at the end of the game.

I will say the NCAA needs to append the rule for the specific situation; as it was meant to punish the offense, not the defense. The rule does not make sense in this situation IMO.
 

This is one situation where I think it would be okay to overturn the results (I know it won't happen). This isn't about a bad call. It was about misinterpretation of the rules.
 

Bad article. I was curious to know what actually happened to result in an untimed down, but nope.

What actually happened?
 

GophersInIowa said:
This is one situation where I think it would be okay to overturn the results (I know it won't happen). This isn't about a bad call. It was about misinterpretation of the rules.
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But, does that technicality really apply? Bad call, no call, misinterpretation the result is the same. The course of the game was altered. I agree the result should be amended, but that opens a can of worms. The officials and the NCAA want people to forget and move on, and in general we do.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
But, does that technicality really apply? Bad call, no call, misinterpretation the result is the same. The course of the game was altered. I agree the result should be amended, but that opens a can of worms. The officials and the NCAA want people to forget and move on, and in general we do.
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In this specific case, the game was over by rule before that untuned play - the refs just did not follow the rules of the game. It wasn't a judgment call (crossing the plane, did the clock hit zero, etc.), and didn't occur during timed play such that it affected subsequent plays.

Hence, the play that gave CMU the win did not actually occur legally during game play and thus, in this case only, could it be reverse to correctly state that the game actually ended on the grounding play and whatever happened after that was null and void.

This fiasco should also change two rules:
1. The results of a final play can be overruled to reverse a victory if an objectively egregious officiating error was committed (again, not judgment call type of stuff)
2. A game should not be able to end on a penalty that is accepted, on offense or defense. We typically think of untimed downs for teams driving for a winning score and drawing a PI call. In this case the offense shouldn't be able to intentional ground on 4th down in order to stall and win the game.
 

I tend to agree with you guys, but continuing as a devil's advocate I think there are many egregious calls that are not in any way judgment calls, they are objectively incorrect calls. For example, if a player is mugged and drops a game-winning TD and is obvious on replay (think Still's play), it is not a subjective call. It happened. Then what, every play subject to review? Same with holding. Often there is no question it happened, but it was missed or not called and the public knows. Can that game be retroactively altered?
I do agree the rule should be altered.
 


BarnBoy said:
Bad article. I was curious to know what actually happened to result in an untimed down, but nope.

What actually happened?
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OK St called a play in the final seconds of the game where the QB dropped back and aired a pass down field and out of bounds. Since he never went out of the tackle box and no receiver was downfield, OSU was penalized for intentional grounding, a loss of down penalty. It was fourth down at the time so C Mich was given one play with no time on the clock scoring on a hail Mary and lateral.

The problem is that by rule, a play where an infraction results in a loss of down as time expires results in the game being over at that point. An additional play should not have been awarded. Basically, the refs effed up.
 



If you can reverse this outcome afterwards, why stop here? Missouri should get a win versus Colorado in 1990 for the Buffs getting an extra down. They can take away their national championship as a result of it.

As terrible as this is, I think it just has to be how it is. I actually put more blame on the replay crew. All officials should know the rules, but I can understand where some confusion could occur with this one. But you have a replay crew that should be able to be a backup and could have taken the time to make sure it was right. For both sets to not know what was going on is inexcusable.
 

Section2 said:
I don't understand why they don't award Okie the win? The game was over had the made the right call, so they can easily rectify it. I understand bad calls are part of the game but not in cases like this.
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Agreed, of all the situations where you could do this... this should be it.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I hate to be that guy, but as we are reminded ad nauseum one bad call never affects the outcome of a game, the calls even out, they should have stopped the other team from scoring etc etc...

Honestly, with how many blown calls we witness every game this seems much ado about nothing. It just happened to be at the end of the game.

I will say the NCAA needs to append the rule for the specific situation; as it was meant to punish the offense, not the defense. The rule does not make sense in this situation IMO.
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Ya I agree correct me if Im wrong but the ruling in question was a forth down intentional grounding on Okie State. I feel like rule or not the right thing to do because of who the penalty was on should be to give Central Michigan a shot. If the qb could throw it out of bounds the game over, don't really feel bad for them
Edit: Had this happened to the gophers I would've bitched up a storm :)
 

I agree that it seems like an easy fix, but as PE is saying, it would really open up a can of worms for teams challenging (or "protesting" a game like in baseball). Since NCAA football has no mechanism for that, they can't do it for this game just because it happened to be on the very last play.
 

Word said:
I agree that it seems like an easy fix, but as PE is saying, it would really open up a can of worms for teams challenging (or "protesting" a game like in baseball). Since NCAA football has no mechanism for that, they can't do it for this game just because it happened to be on the very last play.
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Time for a last play mechanism.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Time for a last play mechanism.
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What if the last play controversial call was pass interference? or holding? Could you still protest? I just think that's where it gets dicey. Why would a bad call on holding at the end of the game be more important than one with 5 minutes left? If we lost to Oregon State could we protest because of the missed interference on Still?
 

Word said:
What if the last play controversial call was pass interference? or holding? Could you still protest? I just think that's where it gets dicey. Why would a bad call on holding at the end of the game be more important than one with 5 minutes left? If we lost to Oregon State could we protest because of the missed interference on Still?
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So you limit what you can review like we already do.

Pretty sure the context was already last plays.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
OK St called a play in the final seconds of the game where the QB dropped back and aired a pass down field and out of bounds. Since he never went out of the tackle box and no receiver was downfield, OSU was penalized for intentional grounding, a loss of down penalty. It was fourth down at the time so C Mich was given one play with no time on the clock scoring on a hail Mary and lateral.

The problem is that by rule, a play where an infraction results in a loss of down as time expires results in the game being over at that point. An additional play should not have been awarded. Basically, the refs effed up.
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Video:
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I think the rule should be changed to allow an untimed down in situations like this. Shouldn't reward a team for a penalty. Easy enough to avoid the penalty, just get outside the tackles or send a token receiver downfield. Still, they should have taken time to check the rulebook.

If it was against the Gophers, I would have logged it as a win for the Gophers with an asterisk.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
But, does that technicality really apply? Bad call, no call, misinterpretation the result is the same. The course of the game was altered. I agree the result should be amended, but that opens a can of worms. The officials and the NCAA want people to forget and move on, and in general we do.
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I do recall a soccer game being amended after it was declared final. MN Strikers played a playoff game against San Diego and lost in a shootout. After the game, it was discovered that a player for San Diego wasn't on the list of shooters given to the refs before the shootout therefore the goal that person scored was declared invalid. Minnesota did score on their kick and therefore was awarded the victory. Strikers lost in the deciding game like 7-0, but hey. Only time I can recall the final score being changed the next morning.
 

RodentRampage said:
I think the rule should be changed to allow an untimed down in situations like this. Shouldn't reward a team for a penalty. Easy enough to avoid the penalty, just get outside the tackles or send a token receiver downfield. Still, they should have taken time to check the rulebook.

If it was against the Gophers, I would have logged it as a win for the Gophers with an asterisk.
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I agree that Gundy and company at Oklahoma State effed up the call in the first place by not rolling the guy out or having at least one receiver in the pattern, but the rule as written is pretty cut-and-dried fair or not. I'm just more concerned that we have officials who don't know what the rules are, especially the replay crew in the booth that would have had time to look things up.
 

The play call was really, really stupid. Just have your QB run straight backwards down the field until the clock runs out and then kneel down. Even putting the ball in the air was near-criminal stupidity.
 

go4rube said:
Video:
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Thanks for posting the video, it was good to see with some context. I have been attending Gopher games for about 30 years, so I don't get to say this often, but I have never seen a team lose like this.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
So you limit what you can review like we already do.

Pretty sure the context was already last plays.
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So you could protest a game for pass interference on the last play of the game, but not if it was the 2nd to last play?
 

Why is this play worthy if suspension when missing obvious targeting calls against leidner is not?

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Maverick said:
Why is this play worthy of suspension when missing obvious targeting calls against leidner is not?

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I am sorry they screwed up the call, but I don't believe for a minute they would have been suspended if it was the other way around.
Secondly, that seems like an incredibly obscure rule and I guess I do not understand its purpose. Its too hard for a QB to just take a knee with 3 seconds left?
 

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