ESPN: B1G roundtable: Toughest coaching job (Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue)

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Mitch Sherman: Northwestern

No Big Ten program fights for relevancy in its home market quite like Northwestern, with its long history of struggles in athletics and demands academically unlike even the other elite institutions of the league. Northwestern went 64 years without a bowl win until 2012, when it finished 10-3, just its third season out of 132 with more than nine victories. Coach Pat Fitzgerald, after a breakout season in 2008 and unprecedented success in Evanston, has clouded our minds about the difficulty of sustaining success at Northwestern. The past two 5-7 seasons, though, serve as a reminder. It’s tough. The fan base tends to get disinterested, the margin for error is slim, and the emerging culture in college athletics to empower student-athletes further establishes challenges at the league’s lone private institution that aren't as difficult elsewhere in the Big Ten.

Dan Murphy: Indiana

Expectations aren't particularly high for football among the Hoosiers faithful. A bowl game -- Indiana's first since 2007 -- would keep the masses happy, but making it through the Big Ten's East Division gets more treacherous each year. That side of the league is loaded, with two top-five programs in Ohio State and Michigan State. If Jim Harbaugh's track record follows him to Ann Arbor, Michigan won't be far behind. James Franklin is another proven winner at Penn State, and newcomers Maryland and Rutgers held their own in their first year. That leaves Indiana as a hanger-on in a league full of climbers. Unless the Hoosiers start investing more in the program as a whole, winning in Bloomington will be a tall order for Kevin Wilson or anyone else in his seat.

Brian Bennett: Purdue

In my view, the two toughest jobs in the Big Ten are both in the Hoosier State, and Indiana has struggled the most in the past two decades. But the Hoosiers have made some upgrades in their facilities, and Bloomington is an excellent college town. Purdue has a stronger tradition than IU but is in an even tougher position. It's a great school with rigorous academics, but Ross-Ade Stadium and West Lafayette both lack charm. There isn't much local talent from which to draw. Fan support and revenue are major issues, as the program recently announced it was cutting prices on its season tickets. It's even more remarkable, in retrospect, what Joe Tiller accomplished during his tenure with the Boilers. The team hasn't done much since he left.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/116033/b1g-roundtable-toughest-coaching-job

Go Gophers!!
 

Can't say I disagree with those as things currently sit right now.
 



I know right? Smh at the unearned props he seems to get from some in the media. Sorry, but imo the dude hasn't proved anything yet.

I don't care one way or the other about Franklin but what he did at perennial doormat Vanderbilt was impressive and worthy of media attention. From his wiki:

"Franklin led Vanderbilt to a bowl game all three of his seasons as head coach at Vanderbilt, a team that had never previously participated in a bowl game in consecutive seasons. In his second season (2012), the Commodores finished 9–4 and ranked in both the Associated Press and USA Today end-of-season coaches' top 25 for the first time since 1948 (and the first ranking in any week since 2008). It was just the third nine-win season in school history. Additionally, Vanderbilt's fifteen combined wins in Franklin's first two years in charge was the Commodores' highest total since 1926–1927.[11] In his third season at Vanderbilt, the Commodores again finish 9-4 and were ranked in the AP and USA TODAY top 25 poll. Franklin finished his Vanderbilt career with a record of 24-15 (an average of 8 wins per year)."

Some 2012 highlights from Vandy's wiki:

Largest margin of victory over Rival Tennessee (23) 41–18 since 1954 (26-0)
Largest margin of victory against secondary rival Kentucky (40) since 1916 when Vanderbilt won 45-0
First time a Vanderbilt team to a bowl in back to back years
First win at home vs Tennessee in 30 years
First 8 win season since 1982
First winning record in the regular season since 1982
Four straight wins in SEC play for the first time since 1949
The first 9 win season since 1915

2013:
First back to back 9 win seasons in school history
Three years and three bowls games.
Coach James Franklin improved his record at Vanderbilt to 24-15, equaling Dan McGugin’s school-record win total after the first three seasons by a Commodores coach. McGugin went 24-2 from 1904-06.
Vanderbilt beat Florida, at "the Swamp" for the first time since 1945.
Vanderbilt beat Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee in the same season for the first time in school history.
The Commodores were 10-2 in November under James Franklin and 8-0 the last two years.

Is the media's love of him slightly influenced by the fact that he is a young, energetic, and outgoing guy? Possibly, but what he did at Vandy is very impressive. It remains to be seen if he will elevate Penn State back to national prominence but given the Helmet School status of PSU and Franklin's track record, I would gladly put my money on him doing just that.
 


I'd put Minnesota and Illinois right there with those three.
 

ESPN- Which jobs are the worst?

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12367998/wake-forest-demon-deacons-earn-worst-job-power-5

Pretty insulting towards Minnesota (and also horribly misinformed RE: the stadium's actual location), but I don't know why I should have expected anything better from ESPN. Whatever...

If every college football job opened today, which would be the hardest to fill?

A half-dozen college football reporters and analysts sat around a big picnic table inside an Oxford, Mississippi, restaurant. It was Halloween night, and Will Muschamp was on the verge of being fired at Florida. That led to a spirited conversation about just how good the Florida job was, circa November 2014.

Where did it stack up with others? What made it good? Where had it fallen behind peers in the SEC and nationally?

Our debate, as you well know, was not unique. It has manifested itself in myriad places. Just sub Florida for any number of schools and replace our dinner table with tailgate tents, barstools, offices, churches, etc., etc.

That conversation stuck with me: Why not create a ranking system of every Power 5 job? I enlisted four ESPN colleagues -- Chris Low, Brett McMurphy, Adam Rittenberg and Mark Schlabach -- to help poll coaches and industry sources and provide their insight.

The central question: If every Power 5 job came open tomorrow, which would be the most desirable? Which would be least appealing? And where does your team fall?

Though each person weighs things differently -- that's why it's such a subjective, hot-button topic for debate -- the criteria is roughly the same. It includes factors such as location, administrative stability, support from that administration, facilities, recruiting base, path to conference titles/playoff, sense of tradition, fervor of the fan base, too much fervor from the fan base ...

We hope and believe we have provided an intelligent and accurate overview of the Power 5 jobs in college football, from worst to best.


Tier 10: The worst
Put bluntly, these are the worst jobs in major college football. But hey, they're still major college football jobs.

65. Wake Forest
Wake was nearly a consensus No. 65, and that's not a good thing. It's not in a terribly difficult league, and yet the academically stringent private school colloquially known as "Work Forest" is all but invisible -- to recruits and the general public -- in its state and region, let alone nationally. Put it this way: When we asked a room of several assistant coaches which program they thought would be last in our polling, they didn't respond with Wake -- because they had forgotten that Wake was a Power 5 school. Really, history just might show that Jim Grobe, who was 77-82 in 13 seasons and took the Deacons to five bowl games (including the BCS's Orange Bowl in '06), was more of a miracle worker than anyone truly recognized at the time.

64. Iowa State
After playing a game in Ames last season, a coach texted me. He'd never been there before and simply could not believe how stark and isolated the landscape was. The legends were all true, he said. And that was prior to winter's icy grip on the Corn Belt. So a coach fights more than just perception with this job. There's a certain reality to your Iowa-bound island. How do you convince yourself to go there, and then somehow get high school prospects to follow? It's one of the toughest sales pitches in the sport. In the 2015 recruiting class, Iowa State did sign four players from Texas and Florida, plus three more from Georgia and two from California. But where do you think ISU is on the college pecking order in those talent-rich states? Not high. The Cyclones have signed one ESPN 300 prospect in the history of the rankings. It all puts a big-time onus on development and mining jucos. Even then, it is incredibly difficult in the Big 12 to compete with the Texas and Oklahoma schools.

63. Kansas
General apathy, coaches say, is why Kansas sinks this low. The fan base turns its attention to hoops midway through the season, unlike every other school in the Big 12. At best, football is a supplement to whatever's happening inside Phog. At worst (otherwise known as the recent norm) it's forgotten by Halloween. The administration is vowing a renewed commitment to resources and support -- but we'll see how much first-time coach David Beaty really does receive. Beaty's hire, at least, was a departure from a retread such as Charlie Weis or a set-up-to-fail up-and-comer such as Turner Gill. It showed some inspiration and a desire to find someone who really does want to be at KU. (Beaty was a former Jayhawks assistant, and 2014 interim coach Clint Bowen was retained as DC.) Despite its placement in these rankings, there's some hope in Lawrence. Kansas City, about a half-hour away, isn't a recruiting hotbed, but there are some players there. And being near a major metro area is a plus that many of the programs in these bottom tiers cannot boast.

62. Washington State
Pullman has natural beauty that Ames does not, but it has the same isolation -- and then some -- especially when considering the vastness of the Pac-12. Getting from Seattle to the Palouse is laborious. Los Angeles feels worlds away, and it might as well be. Yet Wazzu has to lean hard on California-based recruits, breaking into a crowded state with a widely unfamiliar product and faraway location. Those who have worked there talk about how scenic it is -- and also how desolate it really can feel. If you're going out to eat, they say, you're likely driving across the state line to Moscow, Idaho. There's nothing wrong with Moscow, Idaho, but it tells you how little there is in Pullman, Washington. There is some record of success, when Mike Price twice took the Cougars to the Rose Bowl, but the league has significantly grown and deepened in the decade-plus since the school's 2002 appearance in Pasadena. It's a challenge that Mike Leach, who managed well in Lubbock, Texas, is finding to be a struggle.


Tier 9: The next-worst
Not mired in a pit of despair, but looking over the edge of the cliff. A number of "academic" institutions -- and the associated hurdles -- included here.

61. Purdue
It's looking more and more like Joe Tiller was an even bigger outlier than Grobe. That's thematic among these bottom-dwellers: A coach is able to establish success for a nice stretch, but it proves unsustainable once he's gone. Tiller had nine winning seasons in 12 years, including the 2000 Big Ten title and Rose Bowl bid. The Boilermakers have had four losing seasons in the six years since Tiller retired. Third-year coach Darrell Hazell has labored, unsuccessfully so far, to energize West Lafayette about its college team. (His 1-11 and 3-9 seasons haven't helped matters.) It's an hour from Indy and 90 minutes from Chicago, but it feels farther from both. It's still an engineering school in a blue-collar Indiana town. Texas was once a popular Purdue pipeline (it's the state from which the Boilers plucked Drew Brees). When that dried up, so did the program's success. It needs to either get back into Texas or find a new promised land of future Boilers.

59. (tie) Indiana
Purdue and Indiana often get lumped together, so it's probably not all that surprising to see them adjacent to one another. What might be surprising, however, is that Purdue -- because of Tiller's run -- isn't listed ahead of IU. The Hoosiers, spanning six coaches, have had just one winning season since 1995 (7-6 in 2007). So any coach taking the job had better include regular résumé-updating as part of his duties, because it's difficult to stay more than a handful of seasons at that clip. Kevin Wilson's teams have won four, five and four games the past three seasons, and that actually isn't horrific in recent lore -- which is why he'll get at least a fifth season. (The AD has been supportive, so a new coach would appreciate that.) Bloomington is a cool college town, but there isn't a whole lot to suggest football is going to rival basketball there anytime soon. And that's even considering some pretty lean times in the past decade or so for the school's hoops team.

59. (tie) Vanderbilt
Nashville is the best city in the SEC. And the school isn't shoved off in some suburban corner of town; it's less than a mile from the heart of everything, and West End is a bustling area of activity. Additionally, Vanderbilt is the best academic institution in the SEC, not that that doesn't come with football hurdles, as we've seen and will see with elite-level schools for education. All that said, the program is so, so far behind when it comes to its brethren. It took James Franklin's recent one-part televangelist, one-part ShamWow guy act to even take Vandy to the precipice of success (two nine-win seasons). Once he left, 1980s-era doormat Vanderbilt reappeared. It begs the question: Does Franklin's 24-15 record in three seasons signal the high-water mark, as good as good can get, for a program that has struggled to dogpaddle in its conference? Not unlike Wake Forest, it's a great university miscast in a league with more athletic-minded members -- and that's just that much truer in the SEC than the ACC. Of course, those leagues do not mind keeping around the private schools to boost a certain academic image.

58. Duke
Thanks to David Cutcliffe's lobbying of the school's administration to get serious about football spending, Duke has made some strides in the past few years. (A relatively new indoor facility is an illustration.) But imagining a post-Cut world, if the job came open tomorrow, Duke also has the appearance of a school that would sink right back where it was before him. Duke is essentially Wake on HGH. It's fighting many of those same battles, admissions most notably. One difference is that its basketball team has made it athletically visible. Cutcliffe has demonstrated precisely the model of how you have to win there: by playing smarter than the opponent and by developing under-the-radar kids. Unfortunately, that isn't a terribly successful model for sustainability -- even in the so-so ACC -- when FSU is unloading a dump truck of new five-stars every year.

57. Syracuse
As one coach said: "The weather is miserable, and that dome ..." Yes, that dome. The Carrier Dome hasn't exactly aged like a fine Bordeaux, we'll say. The facility, and the school's upstate New York isolation, has made for a somewhat ragged fit in its new conference. It strains the accuracy of the name "Atlantic Coast Conference," really. The state might touch the water, but Syracuse says neither Atlantic nor Coastal. "We all know why they're here," the coach said, referring to the ACC's desire to maintain its basketball reputation. The school and city are currently trying to figure out options for the dome, whether to renovate or build something new. Either way, it's much-needed for the program's profile. I recall school officials talking last summer about how difficult it had been to get higher-end teams in the ACC (and Notre Dame) to actually play in Syracuse; better opponents want a neutral-site game in the Meadowlands, they said. As for the weather, well, there isn't much that can be done about that one. At least the football season is over before the gray of dirty snow season hits.

55. (tie) Boston College
If you're scoring at home, BC makes it four ACC schools in the bottom 10. That isn't a healthy batting average. It hearkens back to what that coach said about a lingering focus on hoops at Syracuse -- despite the fact that the money and people's attention are generally far more captivated by college football, especially entering this playoff era. When Steve Addazio took the job, you had a pretty good idea it was going to work well because he understood the challenges. He got that being in Boston was cool, but that it wasn't a huge asset in the college football world. He understood that a smaller, private, Catholic school was a different kind of fit in the ACC. Because of that, he knew the types of players to target, and he knew his gritty style ("Be a Dude," as they say there) would need to be implemented. So if the job were to come open, Addazio is providing the blueprint. The success has been modest, but it is seemingly pretty sustainable because no one is being overly ambitious. BC is punching in its weight class. That doesn't make the ceiling all that high for a school -- don't expect regular playoff runs anytime soon -- but it also prevents a great deal of sliding backward.

55. (tie) Colorado
Of those in the bottom two or three tiers, Colorado has the best shot to rise. As opposed to a number of programs in this range, location -- the foothills of the Rockies and yet a half-hour from a major metro area -- is a signature attribute for the Buffs. And Boulder is a top-notch college town. It's the Athens, Georgia, of the West. There's a lot to sell, which is important because even with Denver nearby, the CU staff has to go outside the state for its best prospects. As for football: When Bill McCartney left in the mid-1990s, resources and support evolved into huge sticking points. There was just no money for football, or athletics. But that is beginning to shift. The administration, maligned by past CU coaches, has made serious headway with its renovations of Folsom Field and the team's practice facilities. Mike MacIntyre's 6-18 record in two seasons has been less than spectacular, but if he's given an opportunity to see the rebuild through, there are reasons for optimism.

54. Northwestern
There's no doubt that Chicago is the biggest thing Northwestern has going for it. It has a beautiful, lakefront campus with a lot going on just to the south. The stringent admissions standards, however, work to negate some of the geographical advantage. It's not as if the Wildcats are loading up each class with a bunch of Chicagoland studs. In fact, in the past three classes, exactly a third of the signees are from the metro area. Texas products have been more plentiful during that same timeframe, actually. On a bigger-picture scale, one coach in the league went so far as to call Chicago overrated for recruiting. It's over-recruited, he said. And the best players are likely not headed to Northwestern, even if they could get in. That coach was also critical of the game-day environment, calling it the worst in the league. There's a reason decades of its football history were veiled in obscurity until the mid-1990s. It's possible to win there, but nearly impossible to sustain success. Pat Fitzgerald and others have been able to get some solid players on campus, but as we've seen the past couple of years, depth is sorely lacking when injuries do occur.


Tier 8: The marginalized
Some less-than-ideal locations and programs outgunned in their respective leagues sum up this tier. (But really, why is Virginia way down here?)

53. Rutgers
This is one of the more challenging programs to evaluate in this section. The move to the Big Ten, latching on to a Power 5 league, was big in terms of the program's potential. Inheriting the New York media market is something that excited Big Ten's brass, but everyone knows New York isn't paying all that much attention to college football (especially Rutgers football). It's delusional to think otherwise. A who's who cast appears every December for hall of fame and Heisman week, and Manhattan is none the wiser. On the plus side, Rutgers can draw from what might be the most underrated major recruiting state in the entire country. "Jersey has always been there," one ACC coach told me recently, "but more [coaches] seem to discover it every year. It's getting crowded." But if those recruits want to stay home, Rutgers has evolved into a viable option. The AD sometimes seems to have foot-in-mouth disease, but the administration has been relatively supportive -- enough for the Knights to be at least competitive in an increasingly difficult Big Ten East.

52. Kansas State

Real talk: Bill Snyder's two-term run at K-State is the most unlikely, amazing coaching job of our lifetimes. While following him would scare the bejeezus out of most coaches, Snyder has shown how to maximize potential in the Little Apple. The overachieving Wildcats have regularly hit their heads on the ceiling, only to establish a new one. Mining the talent-rich Kansas jucos is one area in which Snyder and his staff have done especially well. But can that really be mimicked? Or is Snyder just so uncannily good at evaluating those players? After all, going that route can definitely be a trick-or-treat venture. If the job were to come open, though, it would not be as desirable as some of the teams ranked around it. Snyder has just made the impossible look possible -- even easy, at times -- for a long time in Manhattan, Kansas, of all places. Side note: How many more Locketts are there? That family has been good for business at K-State.

51. Virginia
This isn't a sleeping giant job, necessarily, but Virginia should be better than hovering around No. 50. Going back to George Welsh's long stay, which began in 1982, the Cavaliers have been nothing more than a seven- or eight-win team -- with occasional dips and rises here and there. Mike London's tenuous tenure, with one winning season in five years, marks a downturn from its run of being above average but nothing special. But shouldn't the expectation be higher than that? Charlottesville is a thriving college town, and UVA has a beautiful campus. Virginia, as a whole, is a so-so state for recruiting, but the Tidewater area typically churns out several high-end prospects a year. For example: Of the five ESPN 300 players the Cavs have signed in the past four classes, all are from the Virginia Beach area. The Hoos just need more of them. Relative to where we have it ranked, this is an underrated job in a wide-open division. You can win games at Virginia.

50. Oregon State
Gary Andersen left Wisconsin because of clashes with administration there, but it said something about Oregon State's history and trajectory that he felt comfortable swapping Madison for Corvallis. Around the same time he was hired, OSU announced a $42 million project to renovate and expand its football facility. So there's some level of commitment present. But let's be honest: There had better be, or OSU would risk being laughed off the state's map because of what Nike money does for its rival. Oregon State finds more peace in Oregon's shadow than a lot of programs would, but you know it's still quite the burden to bear. Then the Beavers have to go head-to-head in the same division and league with the Ducks. That's tough. Both Eugene and Corvallis are fairly isolated cities south of Portland, but if a kid is choosing between them, it makes Oregon State a tough sell.

48. (tie) Minnesota
The school, from all accounts, did an excellent job with its new stadium -- though it's a mystery to anyone in the southern and western parts of America why you'd build an outdoor stadium in St. Paul, Minnesota. (Dilly Bar Dan doesn't seem to mind.) While the venue is great for fans and public appearance, the rest of the football facilities are well behind the times and overdue for a renovation. Being in the Twin Cities is a positive, but it's not a talent-rich area for recruiting. Luring players from Texas or the South requires a heart-to-heart about how to dress in subzero temperatures. In a lot of ways, coaches see this as a job that is constantly chasing neighbor and rival Wisconsin -- and always falling short. The Gophers have won Paul Bunyan's Axe just twice since 1994.


48. (tie) Illinois
Going back to the Northwestern conversation, some coaches do find Chicago to be overrun with more college assistants than college prospects. Illinois is at least the state's flagship school, and it has a far better chance of getting players in than Northwestern. Champaign also is in regional proximity to St. Louis, Indianapolis, Memphis and Louisville. There are pockets from which to pull recruits, in other words. And yet here are the past three class rankings, according to RecruitingNation: 64th, 66th, 47th. Like Virginia, Illinois should be doing better than that. The facilities are not top-shelf, but they're not really a detractor, either. The city isn't the best in the Big Ten, but it's far from the worst. It's a midlevel program that has struggled to even live up to that, with a couple of BCS bowl appearances notwithstanding.
 

So you copy the entire novel except the paragraph on the gopher job??


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Doesn't bother me too much. Just ESPN trying to create waves with poorly written article. This is an example of why I don't have ESPN insider.
 




Gopher job is on there. Seany even has it in bold.
Facilities are behind the times, but frankly the rest is pretty marginal.
Yes there is a lack of top talent here in state, but there's some elite talent every few years, some home state talent most years, and enough D1 talent to build depth and find role players.
The weather is whatever it is. No sense hiding from it, embrace it and do exactly what we did to OSU this past year when the weather presents itself as nasty.

The wisky argument is so dumb. The same thing could have been written about Iowa circa 2010, wisky' successful run has come at the same time as a truly horrid down period in our history. The two are not unrelated, but not directly related either.
Improve the program here and have that horseshoe fall out of Barry's ass for a few seasons and nobody would write that.
The only thing holding the program back now is facilities, which in turn attract truely elite talent to either stay or come here. The great thing is those are coming, and Kill will have his chance to keep some of the top talent in the coming years and elevate things.
 

The premise of the article is if every power 5 school in the country needed a new coach, rank the schools in order of appeal.
Considering the last time this job was available, several people turned it down, it's hard to argue with the ranking.
However, Kill is making it better and better every day.
 





Doesn't bother me too much. Just ESPN trying to create waves with poorly written article. This is an example of why I don't have ESPN insider.

Minnesota has to be a terrible job when even ESPN doesn't know what city our stadium is in.
 


Minnesota has to be a terrible job when even ESPN doesn't know what city our stadium is in.

Surprised they missed the polar bears while they were at it.

Is it spring football yet?
 

I would argue, that as of RIGHT NOW, if every Div 1 job opened up, and every current Div 1 coach was a free agent, and was allowed to shop around and take any job offer they wanted outside of the job they left, #1 Jerry Kill would be a top target, at least Top 20, if not Top 10, and the Minnesota job would be a great job. Maybe not everyone would recognize this, but if given enough thought, the smart ones out there should be able to figure it out. Heck, if might be one of the Top 10 jobs, if not #1?!

How could I possibly argue such a thing? Easy.

1. Low expectations and a patient fan base. Look how much time and patience we are giving and having towards Jerry Kill. Any coach that came to Minny would be allowed one or two more years to accomplish what they'd be expected to accomplish much quicker at a school like Michigan, or immediately at Ohio St or Alabama. Those jobs might be some of the least desirable for alot of coaches, with such high expectations. No where to go but down.

2. Potential to become the Greatest Legend in cfb coaching history. Lol. Seriously, people have SO undersold the Minny job, so underrated its potential, that any coach who came here and got us a Big Ten Conf Title would be named King of Minnesota, would win Natl Coach of the Year Awards, and would get a huge raise. A National Title and they'd be talking about whoever it was in the same breath as Herb Brooks and the 1980 Miracle on Ice Olympic hockey team. lol Automatic Hall of Fame status.

3. Standard of living here is so highly rated. Almost every amenity here that you can get anywhere else minus the high crime rates and pollution and high prices for everything. Basically 2 million a year here in Minnesota is equivalent to 3 million a year at several other places of equal or lesser quality. But a coach that actually delivers Big Ten Titles and Natl Titles here would get paid as much as the highest paid coach in the country does. Heck, we give coaches raises and extended contracts for the littlest accomplishments and seemingly for being bad coaches sometimes. Imagine what we'd pay a top notch coach who actually delivered.

4. Timing. The timing would be perfect, with the roster Kill would leave to the next guy, a new practice facility being promised, the right coach could take this program to to Big Ten title games every season almost and Natl Title games as well.

5. I'll let all you haters and doubters in on a little secret, its called RECRUITING, something Murray Warmath somewhat figured out. It was just as cold here back then as it is now. In fact our recruiting got worse once we moved indoors. Even Lou Holtz was able to get good players to come here. I didn't like Holtz and I am pleased he left but had he stuck around for another 4 years, I can almost gaurantee you he would have made a huge impact, including possibly winning us a Big Ten Title. Lute Olson rarely recruited Arizona bb players, and had to go head to head with the legendary UCLA for southern cali recruits, not to forget Cali, USC, SDSU, etc., but did very well. UMD womens hockey built their dynasty on international players. UMn VB got really good by bringing in players from all over the country and internationally, same with the Men's Golf team. GOLF. That sport most of us only play during the summer. So the lack of a ton of local talent shouldn't be a problem, especially since we have such a huge media footprint now where we can recruit from just by proving ourselves to be a viable Big Ten Title game contending team, which we basically already have done in some people's opinions.

6. Limited seating in our almost brand new stadium. No pressure to get 110,000 people to show up. Just the 50,000 or so that is our present max capacity.

7. B1G network. No matter what anyone from other conferences say, the B1G is the leader in this regard, or worst case scenario, is at least 2nd, but what conference is ever going to catch up, outside of the SEC?

8. Academics. They are very good here at Minnesota, but not so good we can't find enough fb players who quality. It seems we've struck a good balance. We'll never be Stanford or Harvard, but we are not FSU or some of the other schools with reputations for letting in anyone. We get to promote our high quality academics without being uber elitist like Stanford.

9. Tradition. Yeah, you have to go way way back for some of it, but alot of the coaches out there may have seen or remember Bobby Bell and Carl Eller and Bud Grant, etc.. It's not a vital selling point, just kind of an extra, hence why its my 9th point and not my 1st.

10. Fans. Ok, some of what I've written can be said is me trying hard to make my point, my argument, which is probably true, and this one could be argued is a stretch as well, as Minnesota Gopher fans have never really had the reputation for being awesome, but I think there is a ton of potential. Our wrestling fans have been called some of the smartest fans out there. We pack hockey arenas, and sometimes pack Williams Arena and make it rock. We made the Metrodome rock in 87 and 91 for the world series. Minnesota has been without a Championship football team for a very long time. The coach that delivers a Championship winning Gopher football team will gain plenty of fans, most of whom will be smarter than the average football fan, many of whom will be bandwagon fans sure, but there are alot of Minnesota alumni out there who otherwise didn't care, who just might not be able to resist the pull and temptation to be proud of their alma mater. Alot of native Minnesotans out there who complain so much about Minnesota sports teams and how they never can win the Big Ones, that would embrace a Championship Gopher football team even if football wasn't their favorite sport. And yes, alot of states can say the same thing, but those states are either smaller than MN, or have divided loyalties.


Well, didn't intend for that to end up that longwinded, but I just got going and got carried away. Please don't call me an idiot if you disagree with me, just point out what you disagree with and who knows, maybe I'll concede that you are right? I tried hard to be as positive as I could possibly be, so I know there are alot of people out there who will disagree. It's ok if people disagree.
 

I would argue, that as of RIGHT NOW, if every Div 1 job opened up, and every current Div 1 coach was a free agent, and was allowed to shop around and take any job offer they wanted outside of the job they left, #1 Jerry Kill would be a top target, at least Top 20, if not Top 10, and the Minnesota job would be a great job. Maybe not everyone would recognize this, but if given enough thought, the smart ones out there should be able to figure it out. Heck, if might be one of the Top 10 jobs, if not #1?!

How could I possibly argue such a thing? Easy.

1. Low expectations and a patient fan base. Look how much time and patience we are giving and having towards Jerry Kill. Any coach that came to Minny would be allowed one or two more years to accomplish what they'd be expected to accomplish much quicker at a school like Michigan, or immediately at Ohio St or Alabama. Those jobs might be some of the least desirable for alot of coaches, with such high expectations. No where to go but down.

2. Potential to become the Greatest Legend in cfb coaching history. Lol. Seriously, people have SO undersold the Minny job, so underrated its potential, that any coach who came here and got us a Big Ten Conf Title would be named King of Minnesota, would win Natl Coach of the Year Awards, and would get a huge raise. A National Title and they'd be talking about whoever it was in the same breath as Herb Brooks and the 1980 Miracle on Ice Olympic hockey team. lol Automatic Hall of Fame status.

3. Standard of living here is so highly rated. Almost every amenity here that you can get anywhere else minus the high crime rates and pollution and high prices for everything. Basically 2 million a year here in Minnesota is equivalent to 3 million a year at several other places of equal or lesser quality. But a coach that actually delivers Big Ten Titles and Natl Titles here would get paid as much as the highest paid coach in the country does. Heck, we give coaches raises and extended contracts for the littlest accomplishments and seemingly for being bad coaches sometimes. Imagine what we'd pay a top notch coach who actually delivered.

4. Timing. The timing would be perfect, with the roster Kill would leave to the next guy, a new practice facility being promised, the right coach could take this program to to Big Ten title games every season almost and Natl Title games as well.

5. I'll let all you haters and doubters in on a little secret, its called RECRUITING, something Murray Warmath somewhat figured out. It was just as cold here back then as it is now. In fact our recruiting got worse once we moved indoors. Even Lou Holtz was able to get good players to come here. I didn't like Holtz and I am pleased he left but had he stuck around for another 4 years, I can almost gaurantee you he would have made a huge impact, including possibly winning us a Big Ten Title. Lute Olson rarely recruited Arizona bb players, and had to go head to head with the legendary UCLA for southern cali recruits, not to forget Cali, USC, SDSU, etc., but did very well. UMD womens hockey built their dynasty on international players. UMn VB got really good by bringing in players from all over the country and internationally, same with the Men's Golf team. GOLF. That sport most of us only play during the summer. So the lack of a ton of local talent shouldn't be a problem, especially since we have such a huge media footprint now where we can recruit from just by proving ourselves to be a viable Big Ten Title game contending team, which we basically already have done in some people's opinions.

6. Limited seating in our almost brand new stadium. No pressure to get 110,000 people to show up. Just the 50,000 or so that is our present max capacity.

7. B1G network. No matter what anyone from other conferences say, the B1G is the leader in this regard, or worst case scenario, is at least 2nd, but what conference is ever going to catch up, outside of the SEC?

8. Academics. They are very good here at Minnesota, but not so good we can't find enough fb players who quality. It seems we've struck a good balance. We'll never be Stanford or Harvard, but we are not FSU or some of the other schools with reputations for letting in anyone. We get to promote our high quality academics without being uber elitist like Stanford.

9. Tradition. Yeah, you have to go way way back for some of it, but alot of the coaches out there may have seen or remember Bobby Bell and Carl Eller and Bud Grant, etc.. It's not a vital selling point, just kind of an extra, hence why its my 9th point and not my 1st.

10. Fans. Ok, some of what I've written can be said is me trying hard to make my point, my argument, which is probably true, and this one could be argued is a stretch as well, as Minnesota Gopher fans have never really had the reputation for being awesome, but I think there is a ton of potential. Our wrestling fans have been called some of the smartest fans out there. We pack hockey arenas, and sometimes pack Williams Arena and make it rock. We made the Metrodome rock in 87 and 91 for the world series. Minnesota has been without a Championship football team for a very long time. The coach that delivers a Championship winning Gopher football team will gain plenty of fans, most of whom will be smarter than the average football fan, many of whom will be bandwagon fans sure, but there are alot of Minnesota alumni out there who otherwise didn't care, who just might not be able to resist the pull and temptation to be proud of their alma mater. Alot of native Minnesotans out there who complain so much about Minnesota sports teams and how they never can win the Big Ones, that would embrace a Championship Gopher football team even if football wasn't their favorite sport. And yes, alot of states can say the same thing, but those states are either smaller than MN, or have divided loyalties.


Well, didn't intend for that to end up that longwinded, but I just got going and got carried away. Please don't call me an idiot if you disagree with me, just point out what you disagree with and who knows, maybe I'll concede that you are right? I tried hard to be as positive as I could possibly be, so I know there are alot of people out there who will disagree. It's ok if people disagree.

Way too long to bother reading.
 

The premise of the article is if every power 5 school in the country needed a new coach, rank the schools in order of appeal.
Considering the last time this job was available, several people turned it down, it's hard to argue with the ranking.
However, Kill is making it better and better every day.

The guys who allegedly turned down the job went to Michigan and Miami (Fla), and I don't think anyone would argue that this job is as appealing as those two. Further, we were trying to hire a coach with a lame duck AD (and a lame duck AD who was really bad at his job) and a still uncertain situation surrounding who would be the President of the school. Those are huge issues for a coach and it's tough to get someone to move if their superior isn't the one who is hiring them. Finally, the "U" didn't exactly break the bank when hiring Jerry Kill.

Lists like these are usually garbage because they put a lot of weight on what is going on in recent history. Baylor would have have been listed among the worst/toughest job in the country for years, and if Texas Tech continues to struggle for a few more years...the Red Raiders will be back high on these lists. Rutgers is arguably as tough a job as Indiana/Purdue in my mind, but it's not presented that way because of Schiano success there fairly recently.
 





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