Doogie: Wherefore art thou, Tubby accepting blame?

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I must have missed the press release.

I am not yet ready to offer Colorado State's Tim Miles his dream job, or to beg Flip Saunders to come back home.
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Did Doogie get hired as the athletic director at the U?

Reality: Tubby is having a bad year coaching.
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I have to agree though, I'm not sure I can word this correctly, but, Tubby is coaching to his system, whatever that is sometimes, rather than to the strengths of the players on the floor, whatever they may be. Tubby's a great, great, coach, and certainly he's aware that we're missing quite a few pieces out there. Rather than continually trying to plug players into what he wants and demands that they do, he needs to recognize what the players we have do best and build the game around that.

If'n that makes sense.
 

+1,000,000 to the article

Most coaches gladly accept blame instead of repeatedly calling out players. Even worse is Tubby's continual "I must be a terrible coach" sarcastic response every time somebody questions him.

I don't want Tubby gone or anything - but his refusal to accept any sort of blame is tiresome.
 

Reserve said:
I have to agree though, I'm not sure I can word this correctly, but, Tubby is coaching to his system, whatever that is sometimes, rather than to the strengths of the players on the floor, whatever they may be. Tubby's a great, great, coach, and certainly he's aware that we're missing quite a few pieces out there. Rather than continually trying to plug players into what he wants and demands that they do, he needs to recognize what the players we have do best and build the game around that.

If'n that makes sense.
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Makes perfect sense and I agree, he's being a tad rigid about his stuff. He's always been that way, and it is indeed frustrating. He can adjust to a couple missing pieces, but when he's had to try to almost remodel the squad, it hasn't worked for him. It's difficult to take a team comprised one way, coached that way all offseason and during the year, and then completely alter it midstream and have a smooth transition. If this were an offseason change, I guarantee the result would be much better, as you could work on getting guys ready for these roles. But on the fly, it's been rough.

To me, it doesn't matter if Tubby goes out there and says "This is my fault". And if he did, does it mean anything to anyone? Everything he usually says is pure truth, regardless of who's fault it is.
 

If Tubby says "This is my fault" it takes pressure off of the kids. Think about the blame that Tubby has directed to his players in public, combined with what everything in the media now. It can't be fun for these guys anymore. At least in this point in the season Tubby should shoulder the blame, tell his kids to go out there and play loose, and have fun. Especially Blake, tell him to enjoy his last few games as a Gopher. Even though the coach went a little crazy, I think back to the Ok State football coach that went bizark at the media guy who placed blame on his player. He wanted to take the heat so his player didnt have to. Even in the NFL coaches, how many coaches take the heat so that there players don't have to. These guys aren't calling out their young team in press conferences or blaming losses on the lack of a practice facility or on-site weight room.
 


Hard to disagree with anything in that article.
 

josh087 said:
+1,000,000 to the article

Most coaches gladly accept blame instead of repeatedly calling out players. Even worse is Tubby's continual "I must be a terrible coach" sarcastic response every time somebody questions him.

I don't want Tubby gone or anything - but his refusal to accept any sort of blame is tiresome.
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Agreed but I can't help but think it has more to do with the tidal wave of heat he took at Kentucky then what's happening here. Tubby giving any kind of satisfaction to critics may have died down there.

Not an excuse, just a thought.
 

Iceland12 said:
Agreed but I can't help but think it has more to do with the tidal wave of heat he took at Kentucky then what's happening here. Tubby giving any kind of satisfaction to critics may have died down there.

Not an excuse, just a thought.
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Sure, some of it definitely could be a defense mechanism built up over time.

But part of it also I think is also his stubborn attitude and belief that he always knows best. Tubby is going to play his ball-line defense when playing man. Tubby will always double-team the post. Tubby will coach his style without variation or concern for players or matchups on the other team.

Last night it was ridiculous when a defender doubled on Sherman and he kicked it out and eventually Lucas hit a wide-open 3.

It was stupid when a second defender in the top of the zone always took a couple steps over to give mini-help on guys like Kebler and Thornton, who a) aren't going to shoot or drive anyway, and b) even if they did you'd rather have them dribble the ball or take a shot than one of the other guys even if you leave them open.

Tubby just doesn't seem to make many adjustments regarding the opposing team's personnel.
 

if Tubby is always going to coach his system then he should recruit players that fit the system not try and play to the strenghts of the players on the floor.
 



"Wherefore" means "why", not "where" as is commonly thought.

So, the headline essentially is "Why are you, Tubby accepting blame?" which makes no sense, as it is chastising him for not accepting blame.

These are the kind of things that would be caught if you would've let me keep editing your articles, Doogie.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Wherefore" means "why", not "where" as is commonly thought.

So, the headline essentially is "Why are you, Tubby accepting blame?" which makes no sense, as it is chastising him for not accepting blame.

These are the kind of things that would be caught if you would've let me keep editing your articles, Doogie.
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Shakespeare 101.
 

I think Tubby does deserve some of the blame for not adjusting to game situations very well.

Let me preface this comment by saying I've heard Tubby say on multiple occasions that one of the reasons Rodney is struggling is because he was a really good post-up player in high school, but is now having to learn to play on the wing. Fine, I accept that.

Assuming that Rodney is indeed a good post-up player, then why couldn't Tubby or one single Gopher assistant identify early last night that Izzo chose to put Kalin Lucas on Rodney. For background purposes, that is 6-foot-7-inch Rodney Williams against 6-foot Kalin Lucas. Why, oh why, would you not use Rodney to post Lucas up??? Not once??? For one, Rodney could likely score on him. Secondly, Rodney could potentially get their best player in foul trouble.

Strategy and in-game decisions are baffling at times.
 

I think Tubby is a good coach,but not a great coach. As has been pointed out countless times before his half court offense really seems to be not very productive and his defense seems to give up way too many three shot attempts especially from the top of the key (easiest three to make). But what bugs me the most is we have a hard time putting a team away. I know we don't have a true point guard but it seems like izzo and ryan seem to find ways to win at the end of games. Look at the close games we have lost and we have had chances to win-most recently psu and msu. Look at the play we ran last night coming out a time out-Chip on a step back three? I would hope that was not the play designed in the time out. This is a very frustrating team to watch and the players don't seem to be having very much fun either. Tubby is paid VERY well(highest paid state employee?) but sometimes I wonder if we are getting our money's worth. I look at our future but it just looks more of the same unless the incoming players can score. I always hear Tubby talking about the practice facility but can anyone tell me if he has been out fund raising for it? I know we need to keep up with other schools but if a kid truly wants to get better he can find places to work on his game.

Sorry, I needed to vent.
 



I'm looking forward to what Smith can do next year with a couple of nice newcomers coming in and the returning group a year further along. I think there's legitimate room for hope, if not outright optimism. Then again...

1. The nice couple of newcomers replaces a couple of nice seniors who we'll miss dearly. Hoff and Al were instrumental in getting Tubby to 20 wins his first year. Maybe they're more valuable than we even know.
2. Who's to say there won't be more defections. I have a bet with Holy Man about Mbakwe's return, and we both hope I'm right.
3. Will Ralph ever reach his potential? Time's running out. Will Rodney ever develop basketball skills?

The implication is that Smith more than deserves a chance to pick up the pieces and try to put this thing back together. One bomb of a season isn't enough to give up on a coach, especially one with a respectable track record to say the least. And especially since much of the problem is injury related.

All that said, it is well within the boundaries of fairness to put some heat on Tubby Smith. I won't repeat what everyone else has already written. I will say, though, that Smith needs to prove - to us and maybe to himself - that he's still capable of making it happen. This is the same guy that took Tulsa to two Sweet Sixteens. I question whether he has the fire in his belly any more. It's not an unreasonable question. He's obviously capable of great things, but he hasn't accomplished great things here, at least yet. Other threads have asked how guys like Bo Ryan win in places like Wisconsin, and a good part of it is how driven and tenacious he is.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I'm looking forward to what Smith can do next year with a couple of nice newcomers coming in and the returning group a year further along. I think there's legitimate room for hope, if not outright optimism. Then again...

1. The nice couple of newcomers replaces a couple of nice seniors who we'll miss dearly. Hoff and Al were instrumental in getting Tubby to 20 years his first year. Maybe they're more valuable than we even know.
2. Who's to say there won't be more defections. I have a bet with Holy Man about Mbakwe's return, and we both hope I'm right.
3. Will Ralph ever reach his potential? Time's running out. Will Rodney ever develop basketball skills?

The implication is that Smith more than deserves a chance to pick up the pieces and try to put this thing back together. One bomb of a season isn't enough to give up on a coach, especially one with a respectable track record to say the least. And especially since much of the problem is injury related.

All that said, it is well within the boundaries of fairness to put some heat on Tubby Smith. I won't repeat what everyone else has already written. I will say, though, that Smith needs to prove - to us and maybe to himself - that he's still capable of making it happen. This is the same guy that took Tulsa to two Sweet Sixteens. I question whether he has the fire in his belly any more. It's not an unreasonable question. He's obviously capable of great things, but he hasn't accomplished great things here, at least yet. Other threads have asked how guys like Bo Ryan win in places like Wisconsin, and a good part of it is how driven and tenacious he is.
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This ^
 



gall0249 said:
If Tubby says "This is my fault" it takes pressure off of the kids. Think about the blame that Tubby has directed to his players in public, combined with what everything in the media now. It can't be fun for these guys anymore. At least in this point in the season Tubby should shoulder the blame, tell his kids to go out there and play loose, and have fun. Especially Blake, tell him to enjoy his last few games as a Gopher. Even though the coach went a little crazy, I think back to the Ok State football coach that went bizark at the media guy who placed blame on his player. He wanted to take the heat so his player didnt have to. Even in the NFL coaches, how many coaches take the heat so that there players don't have to. These guys aren't calling out their young team in press conferences or blaming losses on the lack of a practice facility or on-site weight room.
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I don't disagree with you, but I will say that we have no idea what Tubby says to the players face to face in meetings and practice. Maybe he does admit fault and take blame for some of the losses. If I'm a player, what my coach says to the team in private means 10 times more than what is said to the media.
 


dpodoll68 said:
"Wherefore" means "why", not "where" as is commonly thought.

So, the headline essentially is "Why are you, Tubby accepting blame?" which makes no sense, as it is chastising him for not accepting blame.

These are the kind of things that would be caught if you would've let me keep editing your articles, Doogie.
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Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well.



/Butchering Shakespeare is fun!
 

Mike Rice from Rutgers after losing to Louisville this week:
“I’m sorry you had to watch that. I should be out in the parking lot right now, apologizing. It’s as simple as that. We have sad individuals on this team. I was the first time this year that guys were sad.”
“It was a lack of want, of need. That’s on me. That’s incredible. It was an incredible performance.”
“It was such a bad performance by so many individuals, including your head coach.”

How about when Chip Kelly sent the Oregon fan $450, does that count as accepting blame?

Mike Singletary: "Am I doing a good job? Obviously, at 3-7, no. I wouldn't even dare to say I'm doing a good job. But it's not over yet."

Canada's Women's Hockey coach after losing to the US in the olympics: “If we’re not going to perform in the final game, that’s on my shoulders. I’ve been appointed to it (the Olympics) but there’s no excuses for that performance today."
 

You forgot some of Rice's under bus throwing

"It’s a shame that they have this much pride in Rutgers basketball and that our guys and our coaching staff couldn't put on a better performance on national television."
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Wherefore" means "why", not "where" as is commonly thought.

So, the headline essentially is "Why are you, Tubby accepting blame?" which makes no sense, as it is chastising him for not accepting blame.

These are the kind of things that would be caught if you would've let me keep editing your articles, Doogie.
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Had no idea... please, provide your email again.

Thanks for taking the time to read.
 


I liked his baseless claim that tubby is leaving for Georgia tech again. Yup they'll buyout Hewitt for a huge price then hire a 60 year old coach who is so terrible (according to some) to come in and rebuild for 3 million per year. Plus having to pay the u of m to buy him out (though that number is probably small).
 


Rosemountian said:
I liked his baseless claim that tubby is leaving for Georgia tech again. Yup they'll buyout Hewitt for a huge price then hire a 60 year old coach who is so terrible (according to some) to come in and rebuild for 3 million per year. Plus having to pay the u of m to buy him out (though that number is probably small).
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Tubby's buyout wouldn't be an issue... When did I say he was "leaving?"... trust me: G. Tech made a call last offseason to gauge his interest when Hewitt was talking to St. John's... no reason to believe that if they make a change, they wouldn't call again.

He's not terrible to those in the game... many schools would gladly welcome him.
 


Doogie said:
Tubby's buyout wouldn't be an issue... When did I say he was "leaving?"... trust me: G. Tech made a call last offseason to gauge his interest when Hewitt was talking to St. John's... no reason to believe that if they make a change, they wouldn't call again.

He's not terrible to those in the game... many schools would gladly welcome him.
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It's not a good fit anymore Doogie. If GT wants to have $3 million bucks around, quite frankly, they can do better than 60 year-old Tubby Smith. And GT is bad right now. 60-year old Tubby Smith doesn't seem like he has 10 years left in him. More like 5. Does he want to spend 3 of those 5 cleaning up a mess?
 

Doogie said:
Tubby's buyout wouldn't be an issue... When did I say he was "leaving?"... trust me: G. Tech made a call last offseason to gauge his interest when Hewitt was talking to St. John's... no reason to believe that if they make a change, they wouldn't call again.

He's not terrible to those in the game... many schools would gladly welcome him.
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So you think he is gone. Got it. You've already stated that. I've stated it's a baseless claim that he's going to Georgia tech. Well I guess we will have to just wait and see if he ends up at gt. If he ends up at GT I will ask for your address and send you 20 dollars. If he doesn't you send me a nickel in the mail (I'll give you my address).
Take that bet?
 

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