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What size battery does it take to beat Tim Brewster's team? Answer: I-AA

Congratulations, Coach. In four years, you have managed to guide the Gophers to the three worst losses in school history: 55-0 to Iowa, 27-21 to 1-AA North Dakota State, and now Saturday's 41-38 loss to 1-AA South Dakota. Memo to Joel Maturi: enough is enough. Nothing can happen the rest of this season to make-up for another loss to a middle-tier FCS team. Remember the Jeremy Foley theory: what should be done eventually should happen immediately. Nobody wants their work criticized, especially in public. But the nice monetary buyout Brewster would receive offsets that problem.

Most of Brewster's coaches are capable of finding work elsewhere. Defensive coordinator Kevin Cosgrove? Not so much. It is obvious now why he was a coaching free-agent for an entire season. It is also obvious now why Nebraska ran him out of town. Where was the press-coverage on the pivotal 3rd-and-4 at the end of the game? It was very clear that South Dakota was either calling for a slant pass or a quarterback keeper. Brewster went hard at the defense in his postgame interview on the Big Ten Network. While correct, let's not forget that he let Eric Ellestad, who couldn't make a 40-yard field goal all of last year, and missed two against Middle Tennessee State, try a 48-yard field goal. Predictably, the kick wasn't even close. The reason Brewster had only one timeout late was because they wasted one on offense. What was the 4th-and-2 pitch-back play call? Why not try an onside kick at the end? Realistically, what were the chances that the defense could force a three-and-out? Although, what were the chances that Ellestad would have executed the kick?

Here's what's hard to comprehend: Brewster had his team thoroughly prepared for the Middle Tennessee State game. What changed? I believe that the talent-level has increased the last few years. But there is zero evidence to suggest that Brewster knows how to coach that talent. Have they spent too much time game-planning for USC? Since they've been working on next week's game for a while, maybe so, but to not have the team then ready for South Dakota is on the coach.

Here is a portion of a blog I wrote in November after the loss to Iowa:

30 straight possessions without scoring a touchdown to end the regular season is not a punchline. It's reality. They have failed to score an offensive touchdown in 17 of the last 24 quarters. If not for a garbage-time score against Ohio State third-teamers, Brew's bunch would've gone four games (Ohio State, Penn State, South Dakota St., and Iowa) without an offensive touchdown. Offense reigns supreme in college football. A 3rd-and-10 is a toss-up. Yet, the Gophers make this year's Cleveland Browns seem like the 1998 Vikings. Does a Tom Emanski-like offensive football video exist? If so, the Gophers should have watched it on their bus ride home from Iowa City. Brewster's motto all year was "Pound the Rock", but they will finish last in the Big Ten and among the worst in the country in running the ball. Calling back-to-back timeouts in the 11th game of the year is unacceptable. Asking for a fade pass for 5'8'' receiver Troy Stoudermire on third-and-goal from the 2-yard line is mind-boggling.

Brewster is now 0-9 in trophy games; 0-8 in games vs. ranked opponents. He also has yet to win a conference game in November and lacks a signature victory 37-games into his tenure. For a second consecutive year, his team will lead the Big Ten in penalties. Only twice all year did the Gophers not commit a personal foul penalty in a game. ESPN analyst Bob Griese used the word "undisciplined" when talking about the Gophers no fewer than five times today. That is embarrassing. Being the butt of jokes by Badgers and Hawkeyes fans has been getting old the last three years.

Tony Dungy isn't walking through that door. Leslie Frazier isn't either. Nor is Boise State coach Chris Peterson or former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach. Side note: I am all-in for Leach, but fully realize that the "U" administration for myriad reasons would never, ever hire him.

Realistic options include Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell (knows Joel Maturi from their days together in Madison), Houston coach Kevin Sumlin (former "U" assistant), and Air Force coach Troy Calhoun.

When your players skip out on "Hail Minnesota" at the end of the game; when the TCF Bank Stadium crowd for three straight appearances -- remember the vitriol from the Illinois & South Dakota State games -- turns extremely ugly on the coach and the program; when some of Brewster's biggest supporters on the local rivals.com site and gopherhole.com turn on him; when it's hard to figure out if the team is any better today compared to when Brewster took over; when Brewster said the program was "light-years" ahead of when he took it over; and when Brewster called this his most athletic team to date, it's time for a change.

Off-the-field incidents? They can be sort-of excused. Recruiting violations? The same. But a loss to South Dakota is inexcusable.

Go Gophers!!
 

Boldly proclaiming that a school with 120+ years of history, some great some awful, has suffered its worst 3 defeats ever in the course of four years seems an awful lot like a bad combination of hyperbole and self flattery in an attempt to push an agenda.
 

doogies comments of 3 worst losses is a joke. pretty sure doogie is pushing an agenda cause i can name a handful of losses more painful compared to yesterday and ndsu. what a tool!
 

Doogie Howser aka dan burrito

I have been a Gopher fan since the 60's

Worst losses
OSU blowing a 30 point plus lead
Michigan blowing a big lead in 4th quarter
wisconsin blocked point
also losing to indiana after beating osu at osu

kfan=blurred vision
 

Not even close to worse 3...

Mason is definitely a candidate for 2 though...Texas Tech & Michigan...
 


Boldly proclaiming that a school with 120+ years of history, some great some awful, has suffered its worst 3 defeats ever in the course of four years seems an awful lot like a bad combination of hyperbole and self flattery in an attempt to push an agenda.

+1

But where would sports talk radio and sports writing be today without hyperbole? Just watch Sportscenter on any given day. Every segment is "Was XYZ the best/worst thing ever?" Hyperbole is all that the talking heads have left.
 

I agree with him that they are three horrible, terrible losses. Even losses that are worthy of firing him over. But they aren't even close to being the three worst in Gopher history.

I can excuse Doogie for this one because I agree with most of the rest of the article and I know that hyperbole is a given with sportswriters.
 

Doogie hasn't worked at KFAN for a number of years.

He's also correct. Not a homer but correct.
 

I've liked (and still like) Brew but he might be in over his head. But if we send him packing who is out there and better? I've loved the gophers for a very long time but this is not a big time job right now. As long as the Vikings are in town it might not ever become big time. At this point I'm not going to say he has to go or he has to stay for one more year, but before we pack his bags for him everyone need to be realistic about what his job is, and who wants the job after Brew is gone.
 



Worst losses is highly debatable, the case for these being the three worst losses is pretty weak. Anyone can come up with other losses that they can make a case for, the Nebraska loss in 1983 for example.

Calling them the three worst losses is just recentism. They are three losses that were very embarrassing, sure.
 

Doogie, as a Colorado Springs citizen and having covered a few Air Force events there is no way that Coach Calhoun will leave his alma mater of the Academy. He is obviously well respected at the Academy and just picked up a win over the weekend over BYU, leading many to believe that AFA has great potential in the new MWC. I would love to see Calhoun come to Minnesota but it's never going to happen.
 

Doogie when it comes to the no excuse losses

These there were no excuse.:eek:

1. 1986 Minnesota 20 University of Pacific 24
2. 2000 Minnesota 17 Ohio University 23
 

well you know I'm not sure that losing to one of the best fcs teams of that year is worse than a hundred other D1 losses to lesser teams over the years. And I'm pretty sure pacific was worse than all but this one. So yes hyperbole abounds.

But this sucks. no other way to paint this.
 



It doesn't really come down to objective criteria. If fans stop coming to games, there's a risk that season ticket sales could be way down next year. Even if Brewster can turn it around in 2011, the stadium could be half full.

There is one thing working in Brewster's favor, and that is the neither the President nor the AD has to worry about their job, as the President is retiring, and Maturi is likely to retire pretty soon anyway.
 

Doogie Howser aka dan burrito

I have been a Gopher fan since the 60's

Worst losses
OSU blowing a 30 point plus lead
Michigan blowing a big lead in 4th quarter
wisconsin blocked point
also losing to indiana after beating osu at osu

kfan=blurred vision

Losing to Big Ten teams is not even close to what happened yesterday. Doogie's point was that these are the three worst losses in history, - not the losses that left you with that "punch to the gut" feeling - which is what your list above seems to be. Piling up 424 yards on the ground and losing by 3 to a rose bowl team is not a bad loss. Sure, the way it happened was sickening - but it wasn't a bad loss.

It's kind of like a coin-flip in poker all-in before the flop. There's a chance you could get beat by a two-outer on the river, but that doesn't mean it was a bad beat. Since the $ was all-in before the flop and at that point it was 50/50 it wasn't a bad beat - It was just a sick way to lose. There is a difference.

I would put the 84-13 Nebraska loss and the Pacific loss in the conversation - but there is no doubt that the three he mentioned are all up there historically, even though FCS losses are becoming more common lately.
 



If Doogie did not exaggerate, he would have made a valid point. Those are 3 absolutely atrocious losses and would be in the argument for the worst loss in school history (especially the Iowa loss). I feel like the worst losses in program history were games the Gophers should have won that carried some signifcance. In 2003, for example, the Michigan loss at home and then the loss (while favored) against Iowa to end the year that prevented a 10 win regular season and a chance to go to a much better bowl/finish with a much higher ranking. Then you have the 84 giving up to Nebraska in the 80's and plenty of other types of losses that could be considered the worst.

As long as people are making nominations, didn't we not only lose, but get pounded by Toledo during the Mason era?
 

Doogie, as a Colorado Springs citizen and having covered a few Air Force events there is no way that Coach Calhoun will leave his alma mater of the Academy. He is obviously well respected at the Academy and just picked up a win over the weekend over BYU, leading many to believe that AFA has great potential in the new MWC. I would love to see Calhoun come to Minnesota but it's never going to happen.

I was thinking the same thing. He may be one of those lifer types at the AFA. The program is really coming on strong. Besides, it looks like the CU Boulder job will be open this year. I'm sure he would much rather take that job (I would) as it is of similar caliber to our job and is still in his geographic stomping grounds.

I would love to have him, though.
 

I've liked (and still like) Brew but he might be in over his head. But if we send him packing who is out there and better? I've loved the gophers for a very long time but this is not a big time job right now. As long as the Vikings are in town it might not ever become big time. At this point I'm not going to say he has to go or he has to stay for one more year, but before we pack his bags for him everyone need to be realistic about what his job is, and who wants the job after Brew is gone.


Look at Wisconsin and Northwestern a few years ago. However they did it, they did it. I am sick of the excuses for why we can't do better for this program. It starts with getting people that know what they are doing and I don't think Maturi and the coaching staff do, especially Brewster. My point is you get the right people in place we can win and win big here. I don't want to see 40 more years of this crap.
 

I think the mere fact that we are debating whether the loss on Saturday is or is not one of the worst losses in Gopher history makes it pretty clear how horrible a loss it was.
 

I think the mere fact that we are debating whether the loss on Saturday is or is not one of the worst losses in Gopher history makes it pretty clear how horrible a loss it was.


This may be the worst loss in recent history. We need to remember how they lost, they never lead the game except 3 -0 and they gave up 400+ yards in offense and 41POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no sugar coating this loss at all this was horrific at best.
 

Haha.. Very funny.. Only the without the Weber bit.

Weber wasn't the problem this past weekend. Besides, we only have one more year with the kid. Patience.

Yeah, I debated that line for awhile...Weber doesn't really seem like the problem or the solution..but this thread isn't about him, so I won't hijack it. Anyway, thanks for the read and I'm glad you like it.
 

Doogie, as a Colorado Springs citizen and having covered a few Air Force events there is no way that Coach Calhoun will leave his alma mater of the Academy. He is obviously well respected at the Academy and just picked up a win over the weekend over BYU, leading many to believe that AFA has great potential in the new MWC. I would love to see Calhoun come to Minnesota but it's never going to happen.

Thanks for the insight.
 

Doogie hasn't worked at KFAN for a number of years.

He's also correct. Not a homer but correct.

Exactly. Whether or not the losses Doogie mentioned are actually the three "worst" losses in the history of the program really isn't the point. Rather, the point is that each of the three losses was completely unacceptable and that such losses are becoming all too frequent. When that happens, it's time to make a coaching change. That's the point.
 

If Doogie did not exaggerate, he would have made a valid point. Those are 3 absolutely atrocious losses and would be in the argument for the worst loss in school history (especially the Iowa loss). I feel like the worst losses in program history were games the Gophers should have won that carried some signifcance. In 2003, for example, the Michigan loss at home and then the loss (while favored) against Iowa to end the year that prevented a 10 win regular season and a chance to go to a much better bowl/finish with a much higher ranking. Then you have the 84 giving up to Nebraska in the 80's and plenty of other types of losses that could be considered the worst.

As long as people are making nominations, didn't we not only lose, but get pounded by Toledo during the Mason era?

God I almost forgot when Chester Taylor and Antwon McCray ran all over us for Toledo's 38-7 victory in 2001. 31 unanswered points until we scraped together a drive in the fourth. Ah memories.

Michigan '03 is still worse feeling I have ever had in a stadium (and sadly searching my heart, thats counting the time I saw a five year old get crushed by a monster truck. Never will forgive my redneck uncle for dragging me to that... sorry I digress).
 

Toledo finished that season with 9 wins & ranked not to mention beating Penn St. the previous year...

Toledo was not a cupcake in that era...
 

I will say this:

While the top 3 worst losses may be debatable, I think the definition "worst loss" seems to be different for some people around here.

For me a bad loss is bad for two diffent reasons- #1-You lose to someone who should clearly beneath you. #2-You lose to a hated rival by a lopsided score or freak/last second play. I will also say that timing and expectations plat a role in it as well.

After thinking about if for a while the SD loss isn't a top 5 worst loss. IMO, after the MTSU game, the Gophers didn't seem like that huge of a favorite over SD. They had previously lost to NDSU and played SDSU close, so I didn't think this game was a lock by any stretch. It's sad that the program is to a point where teams like SD have a shot at beating the Gophers. However, since expectations are low at this point, the SD loss isn't as bad a loss as the NDSU loss where the Gophers were clearly, without a doubt, supposed to be the better team. I know many people think that's the case in the SD game but IMO, SD was in play from the day the schedule was released based on the NDSU loss and SDSU game.

IMO, Iowa 55-0 was much worse. Iowa was a hated rival and we were playing to get into a better bowl game.
 




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