Do People Get How a College Football Team Works?

The 12th Man

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A head coach is a recruiter and a face for the program. He catches more heat than the assistants, and he gets paid for it. That's about it. There is actually very little "coaching" done by head coaches.

The coordinators are the ones who call the plays and run the offense & defense. Those blitzes were called by Cosgrove, and the offensive plays were called by Fisch. Brewster might make the decision to go for it on 4th down, but the plays and the installation of the offense fall completely to Fisch.

If you have issues with play calling, look at the coordinators. Just as the zone running game/deep fade offense was not Mason's (it was Mitch Browning's), the current Gopher offense is not Brewster's (it is Fisch's). Firing the head coach is usually a reactionary response from "fans" who actually have no idea how a college football program works.

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

You want a successful team? Pony up for good coordinators and good assistants. The other issues (execution, discipline, clock management, etc.), in my experience, are really just symptoms of the bigger problem.

And yes, I do actually know how this works.
 


A head coach is a recruiter and a face for the program. He catches more heat than the assistants, and he gets paid for it. That's about it. There is actually very little "coaching" done by head coaches.

The coordinators are the ones who call the plays and run the offense & defense. Those blitzes were called by Cosgrove, and the offensive plays were called by Fisch. Brewster might make the decision to go for it on 4th down, but the plays and the installation of the offense fall completely to Fisch.

If you have issues with play calling, look at the coordinators. Just as the zone running game/deep fade offense was not Mason's (it was Mitch Browning's), the current Gopher offense is not Brewster's (it is Fisch's). Firing the head coach is usually a reactionary response from "fans" who actually have no idea how a college football program works.

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

You want a successful team? Pony up for good coordinators and good assistants. The other issues (execution, discipline, clock management, etc.), in my experience, are really just symptoms of the bigger problem.

And yes, I do actually know how this works.

Then you should recall that Brewster supposedly took less money in his contract in order to offer more money for Dunbar (Nearly $400 K, which at the time was right in the middle of the Big Ten in terms of OC salaries) and the guy who left for North Carolina. He then fired Dunbar, Roof went to Auburn, and he hired Fisch and Cosgrove.

The Head Coach is accountable, no matter what, in the same way a CEO of a failing company is. New Coordinators have not been the answer because the same CEO is making the hires. Get a quality head coach who recognizes talent (both and players and coaches) and can develop it.

That is how it is supposed to work.
 

Then you should recall that Brewster supposedly took less money in his contract in order to offer more money for Dunbar (Nearly $400 K, which at the time was right in the middle of the Big Ten in terms of OC salaries) and the guy who left for North Carolina. He then fired Dunbar, Roof went to Auburn, and he hired Fisch and Cosgrove.

The Head Coach is accountable, no matter what, in the same way a CEO of a failing company is. New Coordinators have not been the answer because the same CEO is making the hires. Get a quality head coach who recognizes talent (both and players and coaches) and can develop it.

Great post! Couldn't agree more, unfortuantly we are doomed to at least 1 more year of this nonsense they call a coaching staff.
 



And the excuses begin.......


Where are the excuses? The game was inexcusable.

Since you obviosuly have never been a part of a college football program in any way and know nothing about the workings of a program beyond being personally offended when the product on the field isn't up to your standards, you should just learn where to place the blame for a game like this.
 

Where are the excuses? The game was inexcusable.

Since you obviosuly have never been a part of a college football program in any way and know nothing about the workings of a program beyond being personally offended when the product on the field isn't up to your standards, you should just learn where to place the blame for a game like this.

Read this...

Then you should recall that Brewster supposedly took less money in his contract in order to offer more money for Dunbar (Nearly $400 K, which at the time was right in the middle of the Big Ten in terms of OC salaries) and the guy who left for North Carolina. He then fired Dunbar, Roof went to Auburn, and he hired Fisch and Cosgrove.

The Head Coach is accountable, no matter what, in the same way a CEO of a failing company is. New Coordinators have not been the answer because the same CEO is making the hires. Get a quality head coach who recognizes talent (both and players and coaches) and can develop it.

That is how it is supposed to work.
 

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

Paterno's offensive coaches are regularly crucified because of nepotism (his kid is one of the play callers and is the QB coach but didn't play a lick of college ball) and because three guys call plays (Hall, JayPa, and McQueary (WR coach)).

You are right that Paterno doesn't do anything ... like Bowden at FSU, but the offensive side of the ball and special teams in PSU's case is roundly beat up (and deservedly so)
 

Read this...


It is cute that you think this is how it is supposed to work. I just told you how it actually works.


I, by the way, am talking only about the play on the field on the development of players. I do believe that good head coaches develop good coaches. Tough to say anything about that after three years, so there is no point in discussing it right now.
 



No point in discussing it at all? That sounds like avoidance. :\
 

It is cute that you think this is how it is supposed to work. I just told you how it actually works.


I, by the way, am talking only about the play on the field on the development of players. I do believe that good head coaches develop good coaches. Tough to say anything about that after three years, so there is no point in discussing it right now.

Brewster will be gone after next year...i'd discuss how that works but I'll let the product on the field show you for me.......
 


Brewster will be gone after next year...i'd discuss how that works but I'll let the product on the field show you for me.......


Could be. And if he is, then things will still work the same with whoever the next savior is. Hopefully he will get the right coaches and coordinators in and will be able to recruit the talent necessary to get it done.
 



Could be. And if he is, then things will still work the same with whoever the next savior is. Hopefully he will get the right coaches and coordinators in and will be able to recruit the talent necessary to get it done.

Pretty much.......
 

Brewster hired his man. His man was Dunbar. He decided to fire his man, presumably for something better - Fisch. To say this goes on the OC and not the HC is, well .... I'm at a loss of words Mrs. Brewster.
 

Brewster hired his man. His man was Dunbar. He decided to fire his man, presumably for something better - Fisch. To say this goes on the OC and not the HC is, well .... I'm at a loss of words Mrs. Brewster.


Ha!

It depends on what "this" is. If "this" is the coaching carousel, then yes it is on Brewster. If "this" is the offensive play calling, then it is on the OC.
 

"This" would be not being able to score a point. Function of the OC turnover, or the OC play calls, either way, the HC is directly responsible for the OC.

Now go get dinner ready for Tim.
 

12th Man,
When people on message boards take superior tones of voice and talk down on others, whose experiences they know nothing about, it immediately raises red flags and lowers the Cone of Silence. Please present your bona fides or acquire a bit of humility.
 

Her credential is that she is married to the Gophers head coach.

More like 12thwoman.

Yes, Mrs. Brewster. This has nothing to do with Tim. It is all of that little guy Jed.

It has to be her. Nobody else would say Tim has nothing to do with the way we score points.
 

A head coach is a recruiter and a face for the program. He catches more heat than the assistants, and he gets paid for it. That's about it. There is actually very little "coaching" done by head coaches.

The coordinators are the ones who call the plays and run the offense & defense. Those blitzes were called by Cosgrove, and the offensive plays were called by Fisch. Brewster might make the decision to go for it on 4th down, but the plays and the installation of the offense fall completely to Fisch.

If you have issues with play calling, look at the coordinators. Just as the zone running game/deep fade offense was not Mason's (it was Mitch Browning's), the current Gopher offense is not Brewster's (it is Fisch's). Firing the head coach is usually a reactionary response from "fans" who actually have no idea how a college football program works.

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

You want a successful team? Pony up for good coordinators and good assistants. The other issues (execution, discipline, clock management, etc.), in my experience, are really just symptoms of the bigger problem.

And yes, I do actually know how this works.

So Kirk Ferentz, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Jim Tressel aren't good coaches, they just have good assistants? Okay!
 

So Kirk Ferentz, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Jim Tressel aren't good coaches, they just have good assistants? Okay!

EXACTLY!

Is it a coincidence that the same teams continue to win year after year, even though these magical assistants leave to take new jobs? Seems pretty amazing to me that guys like Paterno, Bowden, Brown, Carroll, Tressell continue to win year after year.... They must be really good at hiring coordinators............
 

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A head coach is a recruiter and a face for the program. He catches more heat than the assistants, and he gets paid for it. That's about it. There is actually very little "coaching" done by head coaches.

The coordinators are the ones who call the plays and run the offense & defense. Those blitzes were called by Cosgrove, and the offensive plays were called by Fisch. Brewster might make the decision to go for it on 4th down, but the plays and the installation of the offense fall completely to Fisch.

If you have issues with play calling, look at the coordinators. Just as the zone running game/deep fade offense was not Mason's (it was Mitch Browning's), the current Gopher offense is not Brewster's (it is Fisch's). Firing the head coach is usually a reactionary response from "fans" who actually have no idea how a college football program works.

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

You want a successful team? Pony up for good coordinators and good assistants. The other issues (execution, discipline, clock management, etc.), in my experience, are really just symptoms of the bigger problem.

And yes, I do actually know how this works.

The coordinators put together game plans and call plays..... the position coaches determine personnel and do most of the coaching... with that said the star of this coaching staff is cross
 

A head coach is a recruiter and a face for the program. He catches more heat than the assistants, and he gets paid for it. That's about it. There is actually very little "coaching" done by head coaches.

The coordinators are the ones who call the plays and run the offense & defense. Those blitzes were called by Cosgrove, and the offensive plays were called by Fisch. Brewster might make the decision to go for it on 4th down, but the plays and the installation of the offense fall completely to Fisch.

If you have issues with play calling, look at the coordinators. Just as the zone running game/deep fade offense was not Mason's (it was Mitch Browning's), the current Gopher offense is not Brewster's (it is Fisch's). Firing the head coach is usually a reactionary response from "fans" who actually have no idea how a college football program works.

Joe Paterno doesn't do squat at this point, for example, but PSU's coordinators and assistants are incredible. That is why you always hear about head coaches demanding more money for their assistants. It is not a loyalty issue- it is because they know that the assistants and the coordinators are the ones who actually do the work.

You want a successful team? Pony up for good coordinators and good assistants. The other issues (execution, discipline, clock management, etc.), in my experience, are really just symptoms of the bigger problem.

And yes, I do actually know how this works.

While not all head coaches call plays, most have atleast the background as a coordinator to be actively involved in the gameplan as necessary or over rule a coordinator when necessary. Aside from this a head coach is responsible for the coordinators and the buck stops with them. This is actually a direct quote from Tom Osborne who I am pretty sure has forgotten 100 times more about football then you will ever know so try again. Pardon me if I take the opinion of a HOF coach over some wanna be hack like yourself. The problems fall squarely on Brewster.
 




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