Denver Broncos have a view on transfers

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upnorthkid said:
Bo Nix is their QB. Enough said
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Fair point but finding a QB that hasn't transferred is not an easy task these days with the way QBs move around anymore.

It is going to be interesting to see how players handle the transition from college where they have had most of the power to the NFL where they actually have to earn their money.

Going to be a major wakeup call for some guys....
 





MNVCGUY said:
Fair point but finding a QB that hasn't transferred is not an easy task these days with the way QBs move around anymore.
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"Fair point", but can you name a position group (outside of special teams) that doesn't have a lot of transfers? Heck, I think the article even states they drafted a transfer TE. Our RB room has been DT and transfers lately. Almost all of our WRs are transfers and probably 40% of our offensive line. Defense doesn't score much better on the transfer report card. I think most college teams are in a similar boat.

MNVCGUY said:
It is going to be interesting to see how players handle the transition from college where they have had most of the power to the NFL where they actually have to earn their money.
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Not sure what you're getting at here? Sure they can't transfer every year, but they can hold out, request a trade, etc. And they've already gotten a signing bonus and such and probably the ones you're referring to are already multi-millionaires so they might just walk away if they don't like it.

Heck, last week I read that Caleb Williams and his dad thought about skipping the draft so the Bears wouldn't take him. He's already made millions in college so it wouldn't have been that hard on him.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
"Fair point", but can you name a position group (outside of special teams) that doesn't have a lot of transfers? Heck, I think the article even states they drafted a transfer TE. Our RB room has been DT and transfers lately. Almost all of our WRs are transfers and probably 40% of our offensive line. Defense doesn't score much better on the transfer report card. I think most college teams are in a similar boat.



Not sure what you're getting at here? Sure they can't transfer every year, but they can hold out, request a trade, etc. And they've already gotten a signing bonus and such and probably the ones you're referring to are already multi-millionaires so they might just walk away if they don't like it.

Heck, last week I read that Caleb Williams and his dad thought about skipping the draft so the Bears wouldn't take him. He's already made millions in college so it wouldn't have been that hard on him.
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Players have much less leverage in the pros than they do in college now. Sure, they can hold out, etc, but it usually gives them very little gain. There is a pay scale for draftees, a collectively signed player agreement, salary cap on teams and smaller rosters. That's why you see so little movement compared to today's college players. Also, due to relatively short careers for most players, they get 1 chance for free agency to really cash in.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Not sure what you're getting at here? Sure they can't transfer every year, but they can hold out, request a trade, etc. And they've already gotten a signing bonus and such and probably the ones you're referring to are already multi-millionaires so they might just walk away if they don't like it.

Heck, last week I read that Caleb Williams and his dad thought about skipping the draft so the Bears wouldn't take him. He's already made millions in college so it wouldn't have been that hard on him.
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In college a player can threaten to transfer if they don't get what they want and they have the ability to just up and leave, go somewhere else and play right away the next season.

NFL players don't have that kind of leverage and only the best of the best have the ability to hold out for more money. For most non superstar NFL players if they are a headache the team will just move on to someone else.

Divas like Caleb Williams are the exception not the rule in the NFL.
 




Ha!...this is BS. History tells us that if an NFL team thinks a guy can play, they'll sign him regardless of his past. "We're okay with drunk drivers, domestic abusers, drug addicts...But if a kid had changed schools a couple of years ago?...That's where we draw the line!"
 

FredCoxRocks said:
Ha!...this is BS. History tells us that if an NFL team thinks a guy can play, they'll sign him regardless of his past. "We're okay with drunk drivers, domestic abusers, drug addicts...But if a kid had changed schools a couple of years ago?...That's where we draw the line!"
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Agree.....but it could be kind of a tiebreaker thing....if you have two players that you feel very similar about in terms of talent you might lean towards the one who showed some loyalty to his college program as opposed to jumping around between schools.
 




MNVCGUY said:
Fair point but finding a QB that hasn't transferred is not an easy task these days with the way QBs move around anymore.

It is going to be interesting to see how players handle the transition from college where they have had most of the power to the NFL where they actually have to earn their money.

Going to be a major wakeup call for some guys....
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Bo Nix isn't just a regular transfer QB. This would be like if Tanner Morgan had a son who grew up going to every Gopher game, we enrolled at the U and played for three seasons and then left to chase a bag (even though he comes from a really wealthy family).

I don't blame him for doing it, it worked out well for him. But this wasn't a Joe Burrow buried on the depth chart situation. This was a turn my back on my childhood team sort of thing.

All of that said, you're right about a lot of players in the next few years. They are going to have to get used to dealing with adversity and finding a role when things aren't handed to them. The truth of the matter is that is an issue for college athletes since the beginning of time though. The majority of them have always dominated in college, so adversity is somewhat new.

But you're right, there is a financial element now that they have to get used to not being able to look for greener pastures on a whim.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Agree.....but it could be kind of a tiebreaker thing....if you have two players that you feel very similar about in terms of talent you might lean towards the one who showed some loyalty to his college program as opposed to jumping around between schools.
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How many "tiebreakers" even happen?

Someone in the organization is going to favor one guy over another almost every time I suspect.

People just throwing around terms like "loyalty" for PR, means nothing to those guys if they need to bring a guy from another team on board.

And if it wasn't an important factor before ... I doubt they even think about it again.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
All of that said, you're right about a lot of players in the next few years. They are going to have to get used to dealing with adversity and finding a role when things aren't handed to them. The truth of the matter is that is an issue for college athletes since the beginning of time though. The majority of them have always dominated in college, so adversity is somewhat new.

But you're right, there is a financial element now that they have to get used to not being able to look for greener pastures on a whim.
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Have already seen some comments from current NFL players about some of the new guys coming into the league and how entitled they are. Breeding an interesting generation of players that are being taught that if they don't get what they want right away they can just go somewhere else.
 



MNVCGUY said:
Have already seen some comments from current NFL players about some of the new guys coming into the league and how entitled they are. Breeding an interesting generation of players that are being taught that if they don't get what they want right away they can just go somewhere else.
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I think this is what you were alluding to that I asked about earlier.

Yeah, it can get interesting. When you already made millions it might be tougher to humble yourself. And some of these multiple transfers...that means for most of college you always had someone telling you they were interested, etc. whereas in the past you were recruited once and then had to work for everything going forward and tolerate the hollering or risk the bench.

Maybe a good analogy would be like someone who sticks with the same girlfriend throughout college, versus the guy who just sleeps around always looking for the better woman. Who's gonna make a better husband after college?
 



MNVCGUY said:
Have already seen some comments from current NFL players about some of the new guys coming into the league and how entitled they are. Breeding an interesting generation of players that are being taught that if they don't get what they want right away they can just go somewhere else.
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sounds like some of the same type of things that get said by NBA players about the current generation of bball players not being able to handle physicality or being on their phone in the locker room rather than talking through things.

there will always be something the people who went through it before will complain about the next generation. this isn't a "generational" thing, this is specific to specific players.
 

upnorthkid said:
sounds like some of the same type of things that get said by NBA players about the current generation of bball players not being able to handle physicality or being on their phone in the locker room rather than talking through things.

there will always be something the people who went through it before will complain about the next generation. this isn't a "generational" thing, this is specific to specific players.
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Kids these days, taking photos of their food and such!

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upnorthkid said:
sounds like some of the same type of things that get said by NBA players about the current generation of bball players not being able to handle physicality or being on their phone in the locker room rather than talking through things.

there will always be something the people who went through it before will complain about the next generation. this isn't a "generational" thing, this is specific to specific players.
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I don't disagree but I do think one common element through the years was an emphasis on putting in the work and earning your playing time.

This current generation (especially in the last few years) is being taught that when it gets hard just go somewhere else to get your instant gratification (paycheck, playing time). Going to be a pretty major wakeup call for some of these guys at the next level when they realize a lot of the crap that flies in college athletics right now won't work in the professional ranks.
 

MNVCGUY said:
I don't disagree but I do think one common element through the years was an emphasis on putting in the work and earning your playing time.

This current generation (especially in the last few years) is being taught that when it gets hard just go somewhere else to get your instant gratification (paycheck, playing time). Going to be a pretty major wakeup call for some of these guys at the next level when they realize a lot of the crap that flies in college athletics right now won't work in the professional ranks.
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agree with you entirely and especially the "some of these guys". We focus on the transfers but there's also guys who stick around and develop (Lindenberg, Walley, Mo, Morgan, etc and high profile guys like Arch Manning). Just depends on the kid. Still is only like 15% annually transferring (and most of those guys its because they couldn't make it and don't-->see all the random gopher WRs we've picked up from the SEC, or because they were missed early in their career--> see Max Brosmer, Gibbens or Henderson)
 


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