Deep passing game

[btowngopher]

As great as Brosmer was this year the deep passing game just never clicked pretty much all year. If next years QB, presumably Lindsey, and the new batch of WRs can get that clicking, it should help make up for what I predict will be some drop off in efficiency from what Brosmer provided.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I don’t think Max had time to sync up with the receivers as much as we would like. But he did great none the less.

Bombs are nice but they’re not the core of a good passing game and a miss can end a drive.

Give me a dozen 7 to 15 yarders vs 3 bombs.

VT got a bomb in yesterday…. did them no good. They were no more effective after it.

 

[akgo4]

Even with Tanner, this was two NFL receivers and Run After the Catch. He didn't have a big arm. Became an offense of Seam routes, slants, and crossing pattern to give Bateman and TJ RAC opportunities. My point is how do you want to define a deep passing game? Power Arm and Deep Speed vs quick passing and RAC. I'll take the latter. Much easier to recruit.

 

[MNVCGUY]

Brosmer's strength is reading defenses and going through his progressions. He was not great at the deep throws but the tradeoff was worth it because he would typically make the right decision and the safe throw.

Will be interesting to see what Lindsey brings to the table. He is a really big guy so would stand to reason he probably has a big arm as well. Can he go through his progressions and make the right reads? Time will tell.

 

[btowngopher]

Even with Tanner, this was two NFL receivers and Run After the Catch. He didn't have a big arm. Became an offense of Seam routes, slants, and crossing pattern to give Bateman and TJ RAC opportunities. My point is how do you want to define a deep passing game? Power Arm and Deep Speed vs quick passing and RAC. I'll take the latter. Much easier to recruit.

Tanner was pretty accurate on the deep ball. He completed plenty to Jackson and CrAB as well. No matter how you define it, we didn’t have many explosive pass plays this year.

 

[btowngopher]

I don’t think Max had time to sync up with the receivers as much as we would like. But he did great none the less.

Bombs are nice but they’re not the core of a good passing game and a miss can end a drive.

Give me a dozen 7 to 15 yarders vs 3 bombs.

VT got a bomb in yesterday…. did them no good. They were no more effective after it.

I’d argue it was the only that did them good, other than the reverse run play.

 

[upnorthkid]

More explosives all around us all I’d care about. Doesn’t matter if it’s a deep dig with catch and run or a go route. look at how Indiana’s vaunted go route and comebacks did against better coverage and teams. Scheme the guys open however you can. Harbaugh did a pretty good job last night though to be fair against a very depleted va tech secondary

 

[upnorthkid]

Another part to add is max was not a very chancy guy with the ball as he could get through progressions and would take check downs. AK was the opposite and would just throw it up at times. Personally I’d take the former but I’d envision they’re going to have to change the style some as asking drake to come in and get through 2-3 progressions every pass isn’t going to work

 

[Gopherchase]

Tanner was pretty accurate on the deep ball. He completed plenty to Jackson and CrAB as well. No matter how you define it, we didn’t have many explosive pass plays this year.

I could be wrong, but I thought we were bottom five in the country and explosive plays Tanner’s last year? Anyway, your point as well taken we need more explosive plays both running and passing frankly.

 

[Clairemont Gopher]

Much has been made of the inability of our receivers to gain separation. This was especially apparent on deep balls/

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I’d argue it was the only that did them good, other than the reverse run play.

I didn’t change anything though.

Usually the deep passing arguments are about how it opens up other options but it didn’t in this case.

I don’t think it does unless you’re completing bombs frequently but then… you just keep it up anyway.

 

[MaxyJR1]

As great as Brosmer was this year the deep passing game just never clicked pretty much all year. If next years QB, presumably Lindsey, and the new batch of WRs can get that clicking, it should help make up for what I predict will be some drop off in efficiency from what Brosmer provided.

They are hard. That’s why they’re often called 50/50 balls.

 

[50PoundHead]

We really haven't had great deep threats on the outside since the Bateman/Johnson/Autman-Bell set. While there were more deep balls thrown by Morgan with that group, we still didn't go down the field a whole lot. The deep ball just hasn't been part of Fleck's offensive strategy. He seems to prefer a more controlled short-to-mid route passing game. The increased passing to the RBs this year was a new--and welcome--wrinkle to Fleck's offensive game-planning.

I agree that it would be great if we could do a bit more in this area to at least show defenses that we can do it. It just opens up the field that much more.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

I don’t disagree but it’s also scheme. We had more of a deep passing game in years where we ran a lot of play action and max protect. It’s difficult to be really good at a lot of things

 

[Panthadad2]

Tanner was pretty accurate on the deep ball. He completed plenty to Jackson and CrAB as well. No matter how you define it, we didn’t have many explosive pass plays this year.

A lot of Morgan’s deep ball success in 2019 was having NFL quality receivers that would turn a 50/50 ball into a 90/10, often slightly under thrown back shoulder stuff. We just haven’t seen much of that since then. Jackson had the ability but didn’t seem to run many deep routes.

 

[MNVCGUY]

I don’t disagree but it’s also scheme. We had more of a deep passing game in years where we ran a lot of play action and max protect. It’s difficult to be really good at a lot of things

Yep....smart OC works with the strengths of his players. Brosmer was really good at going through reads and checking down to running backs or others. Going deep wasn't a strength of our receivers or QB so they didn't take a lot of deep shots.

 

[Unregistered User]

Short, medium, long…don’t care.

W’s…I care a lot.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Tanner was pretty accurate on the deep ball. He completed plenty to Jackson and CrAB as well. No matter how you define it, we didn’t have many explosive pass plays this year.

Yeah he could drop it in there for sure.

Usually sideline passes, and that makes sense if you don’t have a rocket arm, lob it towards the sideline where the safety isn’t likely to make a play on it.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Yep....smart OC works with the strengths of his players. Brosmer was really good at going through reads and checking down to running backs or others. Going deep wasn't a strength of our receivers or QB so they didn't take a lot of deep shots.

And if he can read and hit a guy in the middle of the field with nobody near them like last night…. yeah you do that, free pass completion!

A bomb even for good guys is still low percentage.

 

[btowngopher]

I didn’t change anything though.

Usually the deep passing arguments are about how it opens up other options but it didn’t in this case.

I don’t think it does unless you’re completing bombs frequently but then… you just keep it up anyway.

Yeah I don’t know about opening things up, but I just think it’s tough to string together long drive after long drive of a bunch of plays and then execute in the red zone. Just opens up so many chances to make an error. With a veteran qb like Brosmer with his smarts and skills it works, although the explosive plays would’ve certainly made things even better. But asking a new qb to play the same type of mistake free football is a tall order, so that’s why I’m hoping we can generate some more long gains to help him out.

 

[MNVCGUY]

And if he can read and hit a guy in the middle of the field with nobody near them like last night…. yeah you do that, free pass completion!

A bomb even for good guys is still low percentage.

Yep, Brosmer had a handful of picks but did a great job of not putting the ball up for grabs by going through his reads and finding the open guy.

 

[Gopherchase]

Tanner was pretty accurate on the deep ball. He completed plenty to Jackson and CrAB as well. No matter how you define it, we didn’t have many explosive pass plays this year.

I could be wrong, but I thought we were bottom five in the country and explosive plays Tanner’s last year? Anyway, your point as well taken we need more explosive plays both

Yeah he could drop it in there for sure.

Usually sideline passes, and that makes sense if you don’t have a rocket arm, lob it towards the sideline where the safety isn’t likely to make a play on it.

I thought where Morgan especially in 19 could really plant his foot and fire BBs right in stride were on the RPO slants to Bateman and Johnson. That was a lot of fun.