Dasher Suspended Indefinitely Pending NCAA Clearance

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Will definitely miss the Minnesota game according to their (I assume) AD...

I assume what that means is that even if he is cleared by the NCAA in time for the game, that MTSU will be suspending him for at least one game.
 


But, but...

he didn't do anything wrong!

(Did anyone at the press conference mention how hot and humid it is in Murfreesboro today?)
 

hyaluronic said:
Will definitely miss the Minnesota game according to their (I assume) AD...

I assume what that means is that even if he is cleared by the NCAA in time for the game, that MTSU will be suspending him for at least one game.
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That's what it sounds like. Massaro is their AD and he said that they had to declare him ineligible so now they are petitioning the NCAA to reinstate him today or Monday. He will for sure miss our game, and then it is dependent upon the slow wheels of the NCAA after that.
 


Don't think it's the gambling. It's the money:

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative or any other individual to provide to a student-athlete or friend any benefit that is generally not available to the other students on campus?

A. No. The NCAA considers special arrangements to be an “extra benefit”, which are specifically prohibited. This restriction applies to all individuals other than family members or individual that the student-athlete received these benefits from prior to attending college, such as long-time friend or neighbor. Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:

The providing of cash or merchandise
The use of an automobile
The purchase of meals or services at commercial establishments
The use of personal properties (e.g., boats, summer homes, cars, stereos).
Providing holiday or birthday gifts
A special discount payment arrangement or credit on a purchase (airline ticket, clothing) or services.
A loan of money in any amount
A guarantee of bond
Transportation to or from a summer job
A benefit connected with off-campus housing (television sets or stereo equipment, special recreational facilities, furnishings or appointments of extra quality or quantity)
Signing or co-signing a note with an outside agency to arrange a loan.
Selling or giving a student-athlete tickets to an athletic, university or town event
Any benefit that is not generally available to the institution’s students or a particular segment of the student body (e.g., foreign students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability. "

Arguably, this is posted on several school athletic sites, I copied this one from Arkansas-Little Rock. Bold/underlines are mine. Seems like enough to warrant a full investigation. We'll know in 1/2 hour...
 

This was the correct decision IMO. Better to sit him now and let the NCAA clear him than vacate wins later...still, I hate it for our season. It's really disappointing for Blue Raider fans. This was supposed to be a breakout year for us, and still could be, though this certainly puts a damper on things. A letter of reinstatement has already gone out to the NCAA...hopefully he'll be cleared soon.
 

dpodoll68 said:
But, but...

he didn't do anything wrong!

(Did anyone at the press conference mention how hot and humid it is in Murfreesboro today?)
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Hey man, forecast says 91° now, it'll be boiling lol.
 






*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty. Hopefully things turn out well in the long run for him.
 

You never, never, never want to get those NCAA guys involved. They start investigating one thing and soon they find all kinds of other items that were not on their original agenda. You know... things like a physical environment not fit for human exposure to dangerous levels of heat and humidity. This could lead to a full scale death penalty for all outdoor MTSU sports.
 



MTSU suspended Dasher, just to keep our season safe, until the NCAA reinstates him. Hopefully they won't drag their feet on this one. I can tell you though, not one MT fan is the least bit happy about this.
 

Key.

Get the win. Get the F outta the inferno that is Murfreesboro. We have enough challenges on this year's schedule.

I'd love to be unbeaten facing USC in a nationally televised afternoon matchup at TCF Bank.
 

But like others have said, MT has many other great players besides Dasher. They can step up and take care of business.
 

Schnauzer said:
You never, never, never want to get those NCAA guys involved. They start investigating one thing and soon they find all kinds of other items that were not on their original agenda. You know... things like a physical environment not fit for human exposure to dangerous levels of heat and humidity. This could lead to a full scale death penalty for all outdoor MTSU sports.
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LOL. Seriously. Well played, sir.

(I am literally laughing out loud at my desk right now, and I almost never do that.)
 

dance:

This is an NCAA infraction, it is explicitly stated by your AD. Not to be on a high horse, but as Gopher fans we have been in the unenviable position of NCAA infractions ourselves, so we may have a better idea of what draws the ire of the NCAA.

You're looking at a 3 game suspension, which could be adjusted up or down based on circumstances. I doubt he misses less than two, or more than four games, due to this NCAA infraction.

According to goblueraders.com:

"While there are a lot of sides to the story involving student-athlete Dwight Dasher, all parties agree that there was a $1,500 loan. Therefore, due to a violation of the NCAA amateurism legislation, we are declaring Dwight Dasher ineligible for competition but will be seeking his reinstatement. While we are seeking reinstatement, Dasher will be allowed to practice. It is anticipated that Dasher will miss some competition.

The University is sending a letter to the NCAA Student-Athlete Reinstatement Staff today. I do not have or expect to have a time table for the NCAA's decision.

The prescribed penalty on this type violation is a 30 percent reduction in the number of games in a season, which can be mitigated either higher or lower. We are not in position to comment any further on Dwight's eligibility status until the NCAA has resolved this matter."
 

The basic rule is that an athlete can not get anything that is not given to every other student except his basic ride. It's not rocket science.
 

hyaluronic said:
You're looking at a 3 game suspension, which could be adjusted up or down based on circumstances. I doubt he misses less than two, or more than four games, due to this NCAA infraction.

According to goblueraders.com:

"While there are a lot of sides to the story involving student-athlete Dwight Dasher, all parties agree that there was a $1,500 loan. Therefore, due to a violation of the NCAA amateurism legislation, we are declaring Dwight Dasher ineligible for competition but will be seeking his reinstatement. While we are seeking reinstatement, Dasher will be allowed to practice. It is anticipated that Dasher will miss some competition.

The University is sending a letter to the NCAA Student-Athlete Reinstatement Staff today. I do not have or expect to have a time table for the NCAA's decision.

The prescribed penalty on this type violation is a 30 percent reduction in the number of games in a season, which can be mitigated either higher or lower. We are not in position to comment any further on Dwight's eligibility status until the NCAA has resolved this matter."
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I don't know about 3... I'm thinking more of a 2 game suspension. It is the university suspending him right now, not the NCAA.
 

dance4raiders said:
I don't know about 3... I'm thinking more of a 2 game suspension. It is the university suspending him right now, not the NCAA.
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A three game suspension is a 25% reduction in games.
A four game suspension is a 33% reduction in games.

I don't think this is a particularly egregious case, so they may go with a less than 30% reduction in games, and I don't think they'll go more than the closest number to 30% which is four games. Two games is the least he will be suspended.

This is your University trying to comply with whatever punishment the NCAA would eventually hand down. If the NCAA agrees with your University's punishment, you will face no further sanctions.
 

I respect the decision to sit Dasher out. It will definitely hurt MTSU, but they are still capable of winning this game. It will just be that much harder. I' am still lookin' forward to a good game and can't wait!
 

hyaluronic said:
A three game suspension is a 25% reduction in games.
A four game suspension is a 33% reduction in games.

I don't think this is a particularly egregious case, so they may go with a less than 30% reduction in games, and I don't think they'll go more than the closest number to 30% which is four games. Two games is the least he will be suspended.

This is your University trying to comply with whatever punishment the NCAA would eventually hand down. If the NCAA agrees with your University's punishment, you will face no further sanctions.
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The university just doesn't want to forfeit any wins, if Dasher were to play and was to be found guilty of a violation. It's a smart move by the university. They just sent the re-instatement letter to the NCAA today.
 

dance4raiders said:
I don't know about 3... I'm thinking more of a 2 game suspension. It is the university suspending him right now, not the NCAA.
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Yes, but they are doing it based on the NCAA guidelines, which typically prescribe a 3 game penalty for this sort of infraction (technically 30% which 3 games is just under). If you're very lucky the NCAA moves quick, sees no smoke to chase, and lets him off at 2.
 

dance4raiders said:
The university just doesn't want to forfeit any wins, if Dasher were to play and was to be found guilty of a violation. It's a smart move by the university. They just sent the re-instatement letter to the NCAA today.
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Head meet wall. It doesn't mean they think the NCAA won't penalize him. In fact, this makes it clear that they EXPECT a penalty. Sure, avoiding forfeited wins is part of it. But that means THEY THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED ANYWAY and don't want a vacated season. The fact that your AD is explicitly quoting the 30% of games figure means they think that penalty is likely to happen. Getting this all done now simply allows them to appeal ASAP and hopefully have him back for Sun Belt games.
 

highwayman said:
Don't think it's the gambling. It's the money:

The NCAA considers special arrangements to be an “extra benefit”, which are specifically prohibited. This restriction applies to all individuals other than family members or individual that the student-athlete received these benefits from prior to attending college, such as long-time friend or neighbor. Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:

The providing of cash or merchandise
The use of an automobile
The purchase of meals or services at commercial establishments
The use of personal properties (e.g., boats, summer homes, cars, stereos).
Providing holiday or birthday gifts
A special discount payment arrangement or credit on a purchase (airline ticket, clothing) or services.
A loan of money in any amount
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A summary of my post above...
 


Gopherhurrin said:
The basic rule is that an athlete can not get anything that is not given to every other student except his basic ride. It's not rocket science.
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Many years ago (early 90's), I had many classes with a couple Gopher hockey players (we were in the same IT cohort - yes they were both in IT). We had a physics lab one day that got out a little early and the instructor decided to take us to Bruegger's and buy us all bagels. The hockey players came with us, but declined the bagels so as not to risk an NCAA infraction.
 


Foggie parallel

Minnesota had its own comparable situation years ago. In 1987 Ricky Foggie, also a highly regarded senior quarterback, was suspended for the first two games of his senior season. The Gophers beat Northern Iowa and Cal with Alan Holt filling in for him. I don't recall the details, but I know that it was some violation of NCAA rules, not an academic issue - nothing criminal, but clearly a violation. Minnesota suspended him immediately and then awaited NCAA clearance to reinstate him.
 

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