Could ND Be Forced By Others To Big Ten?

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Many experts are suggesting that the Big Ten will add Nebraska and then sit back and watch what happens to the other conferences. Could The Big Ten be hoping that they've created a dominoe effect that will eventually lead to another conference raiding the Big East, therefore forcing ND to the Big Ten? Could it be that they would desire further expansion only if they can get ND, and they don't want to be the first to raid the Big East and then still not get ND? Thoughts?
 

Duluthguy said:
Many experts are suggesting that the Big Ten will add Nebraska and then sit back and watch what happens to the other conferences. Could The Big Ten be hoping that they've created a dominoe effect that will eventually lead to another conference raiding the Big East, therefore forcing ND to the Big Ten? Could it be that they would desire further expansion only if they can get ND, and they don't want to be the first to raid the Big East and then still not get ND? Thoughts?
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It's possible, but a risky play. Does the Big 10 really want to sit at 12 if the Pac 10 and SEC go to 16 and be viewed as thier 'little brother'? I'd at least add two more to go to 14 and still have room for ND once they panic and sign on. Adding Missouri would have been much more benficial to the Big 10 Network if they were only going to go to 12.
 


If super conferences become the norm then Norte Dame is going to have to join a conference or be left behind so I think you're right. Of course the Big 10 could easily force this issue by taking Maryland/Rutgers.
 



It is my great hope. Leave the East and South alone, stay mid-west.
 


ruralgopher said:
It is my great hope. Leave the East and South alone, stay mid-west.
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Now, I dont think of it as like that.

I see it more as....

The east got what they wanted.... Penn State and Notre Dame.
The west got what we wanted.... Nebraska and Missouri.

Fair and Fair. Done and done. :)
 

I totally disagree. Having a bigger footprint to brand your conference across a larger geographic space is good for marketing of the Big Ten brand. I don't want to scoop up schools that are already in our footprint. If we are going to expand I would like to see Big Ten logo across as much of the US as we can get. That way more states are watching Gopher football on saturday afternoon on the ABC regional maps.
 



monk10 said:
I totally disagree. Having a bigger footprint to brand your conference across a larger geographic space is good for marketing of the Big Ten brand. I don't want to scoop up schools that are already in our footprint. If we are going to expand I would like to see Big Ten logo across as much of the US as we can get. That way more states are watching Gopher football on saturday afternoon on the ABC regional maps.
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By adding ND and Nebraska, you have affectively done that already. Two National programs, in our back yard. Best of both worlds.
 

ruralgopher said:
By adding ND and Nebraska, you have affectively done that already. Two National programs, in our back yard. Best of both worlds.
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Nebraska still has a lot of fans nationwide. Also, people want to see big match ups and games between Nebraska and OSU or PSU will draw a lot of national attention.
 

By the way, I haven't seen any talk about this, but it seems like a move to super conferences could simplify the BCS and make a playoff system more plausible. Of course, that would probably require limiting the BCS to conference champions- which is the way I think it should be anyway.

Getting back to ND, if the Big Ten expands without assuring they get ND, I think they've blown it. ND and Missouri would be great, but how do they force ND to join without another conference raiding the Big East?
 

monk10 said:
I totally disagree. Having a bigger footprint to brand your conference across a larger geographic space is good for marketing of the Big Ten brand. I don't want to scoop up schools that are already in our footprint. If we are going to expand I would like to see Big Ten logo across as much of the US as we can get. That way more states are watching Gopher football on saturday afternoon on the ABC regional maps.
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Are you personally making money off of these TV deals?
 



The other thing is Nebraska has a lot of that hooky charm that seems to get people all worked up even if they don't live there. Iowa gets it a lot too. People kind of imagine those places to be idyllic and pastoral, so it has a nostalgic quality you wouldn't get with say Rutgers vs. __________.
 

I disagree, we don't have the football hungry pay everything and plan your life around football type viewership. There are _a_lot_ more of those types that live in the south then in the Midwest. Those are the types that will scream up and down that the Big Ten is the best conference. Those are the types that go head to head with the SEC types demanding viewership to all that they want to see. Those are the types that abc will put games on the regional map for across a larger cross section of the US.

That is how you get the Gophers on TV in the areas we need to recruit in. I don't see that happening if we don't get further south, imo.
 


monk10 said:
Whoa what is with the try too hard to be a "qt" post?
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Sorry, my friend.

I just dont see at all how increasing the surface area of the league is better than maintaining the identity of it as a regional conference.

I would rather add the most appropriate teams than the most lucrative.

Notre Dame is like the next door neighbor bestfriend sweetheart, whom you have always known is the best fit for you. A relationship that can last, and seems appropriate. It would make your family and hers so proud to be finally married.

Texas (for the Big Ten) is like some exotic gorgeous hottie who has dated a few conferences before and broke their hearts. You know it doesn't feel right, but she is soooo hot, and soooo lucrative. This is like getting drunk and marrying some whore in Vegas because you think she is just sooo damn hot.

You seem to me like a guy who would marry that Texas hottie, over the girl who has a real future with you. That's my problem with your philosophy on this expansion.
 

MrGopher said:
Notre Dame is like the next door neighbor bestfriend sweetheart, whom you have always known is the best fit for you. A relationship that can last, and seems appropriate. It would make your family and hers so proud to be finally married.
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It's kind of a peculiar analogy, but I'll play along. Notre Dame's like the girl that strings you along, and keeps you hanging around because you keep doing her favors. Meanwhile, she's off doing the entire football team, and you're hoping she'll agree to be your girlfriend. Eventually you decide enough is enough.
 

I'm not sure where I miss communicated but I don't think I've tried to say let's take Texas over ND. I would take ND and Texas. However I wouldn't take ND and Missouri. So I was advocating for Texas over Missouri, if that make more sense.

However I do like your girl analogy, and to continue the humor of your post:
The only problem with it is Texas is an AAU member. So Texas is the smart, attractive, successful, powerful strong willed gal that most men are threatened by, so I can understand your unwillingness to engage. And let's not forget ND isn't the sweetheart next door. She is the you are my fall back plan while she continues to date around. She'll continue to let you buy her things (schedule with me so I can sell that in my NBC deal), but every time you try to commit with her she has some excuse why you aren't in her future. And you'll be there the next day with some candy and a card hoping she'll give you some time of day. :D


EDIT: RR beat me to the updated ND analogy!
 

Texas is like the pampered rich chick, she is smart because her parents sent her to all the right schools, very attractive, but she is high maintenance and if things get rough the divorce won't be easy(see the Big 12).

ND is the girl next door that has teased and teased you for decades but now she realizes the single life is going to make for a pretty lonely future. She is ready to commit for the long term.
 

Went to irishenvy.com to see what they are saying in their forums. A sampling:

"I'm tired of us being independent. Its LITERALLY stupid. Someone give me a good reason why we are independent in football but big east in all of our other sports. Its f------ stupid. I'm tired of our "were better than a conference mentality". We need to join a conference wether it be the big 10 or somewhere else. MAN THE F--- UP NOTRE DAME and join already."

"NDs hand will be forced I am predicting conference membership by the end of the month"

"They definitely being forced. If they get left behind from the "Super Conference Era".. ND will be shooting itself in the foot.The conferences are starting to form right now...Hopefully by the end of the month ND is a Big-10 member."

"I think it's inevitable that Notre Dame joins the Big Ten. Change is a hard thing to accept, but it's time to embrace it and move onward to victory. Go Irish!"

There are many anti Big 10 posts, but overall, this site seems to favor going to the Big 10.
 

Since this isn't a ND vs Texas analogy it would be a Texas vs Mizzu analogy. Go at it boys :D.
 


Hot rumor is that the Big Ten and Big East are both going at Notre Dame trying to get ND to join the Big Ten. Why is that, you ask? Apparently, the Big East knows that ND will never play football in the Big East. So, the Big Ten has quietly told the Big East that if ND joins the Big Ten that the Big Ten will leave the rest of the Big East alone (Syr, UConn, Pitt). If ND doesn't join the Big Ten, then the Big Ten will likely raid the Big East and come after at least three schools from a group of Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers. If 3 or more bolt, then that would effectively end the Big East as a football conference.

So, the Big East is considering telling Notre Dame that it will have to join the Big East for football or they will no longer be part of that conference in the other sports. ND will not join the Big East in football, so they would be kicked out. ND also knows it cannot be independent in anything other than football, so it may have to join the Big Ten. Shrewd move by both conferences (if true) and certainly putting ND on notice that this is serious business.

If ND joins the Big Ten and the Big Ten leaves the rest of the Big East alone, then the Big East's last hope to be saved as a football conference is ND going to the Big Ten. Make sense?

Conspiracy? Maybe. But, that is a hot rumor right now. The dominoes have obvioulsy started falling:


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Fair enough. :) All very good points RR and Monk!! Aren't analogies fun?

I should have left open the possibility that the big ten's sweetheart doesn't have to be a sweetheart, if you take my meaning. In other words, I agree... Notre Dame has been quite a selfish b*tch most of the time. That doesn't mean it makes her any less perfect for the Big Ten. And yeah, she has been dating around, but she enjoys being single, and there are benefits to being a single, attractive, girl who likes attention (free drinks!). But its time for her to finally settle down... she's in danger of becoming a washed up old maid.

And Monk, I did infer that you were implying Texas would be better than Notre Dame. (I'm still wondering which you would choose, given only those two.) Sorry if that's never what you meant.

I don't know what kind of girl Missouri is. Ugly, pretty, smart, dumb, i dont care. I would still pick her over Texas because Texas is scary as hell. Missouri is a very low risk add... adds quite a few TVs and wouldn't threaten the balance or status quo of a highly successful conference. And if we already get ND, why risk so much? There are many people who would be very disappointed if Texas were added.
 

tjgopher said:
Hot rumor is that the Big Ten and Big East are both going at Notre Dame trying to get ND to join the Big Ten. Why is that, you ask? Apparently, the Big East knows that ND will never play football in the Big East. So, the Big Ten has quietly told the Big East that if ND joins the Big Ten that the Big Ten will leave the rest of the Big East alone (Syr, UConn, Pitt). If ND doesn't join the Big Ten, then the Big Ten will likely raid the Big East and come after at least three schools from a group of Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers. If 3 or more bolt, then that would effectively end the Big East as a football conference.

So, the Big East is considering telling Notre Dame that it will have to join the league for football or they will no longer be part of the conference in other sports. ND will not join the Big East in football, so they would be kicked out. ND also knows it cannot be independent in anything other than football, so it may have to join the Big Ten.

If ND joins the Big Ten and the Big Ten leaves the rest of the Big East alone, then the Big East is saved as a football conference.

Conspiracy? Maybe. But, that is a hot rumor right now.
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That could mean the Big East could jump in and save Kansas basketball from the MWC.
 

ND vs Texas is too tough a call for me.

ND and Texas are both similar on the viewership (I would think, with ND selling out a San Antonio 'neutral' site game). So you would get the tv market of Texas I would believe. The part of Texas I really like is the brand name for recruiting. Kids will grow up in Texas not being able to play for Texas, but they can go back and play against Texas in the same conference. The part I really like about ND is that they are in the midwest proximity and they feel like more of a natural fit for the conference. It makes it easier to travel, and I think we would compete well with them in all our sports.

That is why I picked both. :D. I grew up in Texas, so I guess being able to be visit my old stomping grounds could be the straw that separates them. As a football program I way more scared of having to beat Texas to get to a NYD bowl then I am of ND. So that might be the straw that separates them.

Too tough of a call :D.
 



ruralgopher said:
So which school is the neighborhood Perkins waitress?
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I would say Texas Tech but they are more like the fat chick that is lucky to be friends with the hot chick(Texas) that gets her into all the nice clubs.
 

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