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Who did these guys get for a Head Coach? Any big names in that bunch? Miami had a lot of success when the rappers were handing out $100 bills but not much lately. Maybe they will get a "big namer" though they couldn't land Gruden, their first choice and they've said they don't want Leach.

All the negatives against Minnesota for the last 50 years are still there except now we have a great new stadium. Fan bases from other schools worried about that when Brewster was hired but not any more. If you read newspapers and websites around the country nobody was worried about the Gophers poaching a great coach from them and they were all right.

The only place where any speculation existed of hiring a great coach was here and on GI. Now many of those fantasy football experts here who thought it was going to happen are pissed at Maturi and Bruininks because it didn't.

Maybe they should have put down the kool aid and realized it was a fool's dream to begin with.

Maturi should have kept his mouth shut from the beginning. I suspect he was told yes by a couple of very good coaches who then backed out when other jobs started to open up or when their own schools stepped-up. They couldn't interview until the end of the season anyway and that's a lifetime in this business.

Brewster needed to go. Ironically for me personally it was the Northern Illinois game where I gave up all hope that Brewster could become a good coach. It was the fear of what would follow that kept me hoping he could learn on the job. The only winning coaches that came here in the last 50 years were Holtz and Mason. The first guy was a weasel who needed a paycheck for a couple of years. The second guy wanted a Big Ten stepping stone for tOSU job. Holtz quit when he got an offer he wanted and Mason quit trying when he didn't.

Now they got Kill. "They are who we THOUGHT they were", much like Colorado and Indiana found out. Hopefully, he'll get it done. Iowa got Hayden Fry and Wisconsin got Barry Alvarez to turn their programs around so maybe it could work here to. Being "the only game in town" helps, but being a good coach helps even more.

Very good record and in his 5 games against Big Ten teams very well coached. Will those skills work here? I hope so.

I wanted Leach and was hoping that Mullen, Golden or Edsall would think this would be their best chance for a big time job. The problem is they didn't think it was.

Blame Maturi for getting hopes up but quit whining about "we deserved a big time coach".

If you do in the College Football world you're in a tiny, delusional minority.
 

At least two of us think alike!

The football bigs don't come to Minnesota for obvious reason.s
 

Make that 3. My disappointment in all of this is that the top-tier candidates seemed to want no part of us. Maturi had a serious "thinking out loud" moment at the press conference announcing Brewster's firing that he'd probably want back, but I'm not going to lay the state of a program that has pretty much been in steady decline in the public's eye for the past 40+ years at his feet.

I think Kill is a very good coach, but in this day and age, is that enough?
 

As a child, I was always dissapointed with my presents by the afternoon of Christmas. What the hell was I expecting, a pony? That's the problem with expectations.

There were many on this board that were expecting a pony for Christmas.

I was doing okay (and actually had Kill pretty high on my list) until the Edsall/Petersen stuff started popping up on Saturday, then I too started thinking I was entitled to a pony.

Hopefully we'll all grow up a little by the time next season starts and appreciate the coach we have. I plan on being a 100% Kill supporter until the end of the 2014 season - and then I'll reevaluate based on his 1st 4 years.
 



so funny how much people love to use the word crybaby

maybe if your parents weren't telling you that you would get a pony ... Hey check out the wonderful robe Joel is wearing.
 


Iceland12 said:
Who did these guys get for a Head Coach? Any big names in that bunch? Miami had a lot of success when the rappers were handing out $100 bills but not much lately. Maybe they will get a "big namer" though they couldn't land Gruden, their first choice and they've said they don't want Leach.

All the negatives against Minnesota for the last 50 years are still there except now we have a great new stadium. Fan bases from other schools worried about that when Brewster was hired but not any more. If you read nespapers and websites around the country nobody was worried about the Gophers poaching a great coach from them and they were all right.

The only place where any speculation existed of hiring a great coach was here and on GI. Now many of those fantasy football experts here who thought it was going to happen are pissed at Maturi and Bruininks because it didn't.

Maybe they should have put down the kool aid and realized it was a fool's dream to begin with.

Maturi should have kept his mouth shut from the beginning. I suspect he was told yes by a couple of very good coaches who then backed out when other jobs started to open up or when their own schools stepped-up. They couldn't interview until the end of the season anyway and that's a lifetime in this business.

Brewster needed to go. Ironically for me personally it was the Northern Illinois game where I gave up all hope that Brewster could become a good coach. It was the fear of what would follow that kept me hoping he could learn on the job. The only winning coaches that came here in the last 50 years were Holtz and Mason. The first guy was a weasel who needed a paycheck for a couple of years. The second guy wanted a Big Ten stepping stone for tOSU job. Holtz quit when he got an offer he wanted and Mason quit trying when he didn't.

Now they got Kill. "They are who we THOUGHT they were", much like Colorado and Indiana found out. Hopefully, he'll get it done. Iowa got Hayden Fry and Wisconsin got Barry Alvarez to turn their programs around so maybe it could work here to. Being "the only game in town" helps, but being a good coach helps even more.

Very good record and in his 5 games against Big Ten teams very well coached. Will those skills work here? I hope so.

I wanted Leach and was hoping that Mullen, Golden or Edsall would think this would be their best chance for a big time job. The problem is they didn't think it was.

Blame Maturi for getting hopes up but quit whining about "we deserved a big time coach".

If you do in the College Football world you're in a tiny, delusional minority.
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Great post!
 

Iceland12 said:
Who did these guys get for a Head Coach? Any big names in that bunch? Miami had a lot of success when the rappers were handing out $100 bills but not much lately. Maybe they will get a "big namer" though they couldn't land Gruden, their first choice and they've said they don't want Leach.

All the negatives against Minnesota for the last 50 years are still there except now we have a great new stadium. Fan bases from other schools worried about that when Brewster was hired but not any more. If you read nespapers and websites around the country nobody was worried about the Gophers poaching a great coach from them and they were all right.

The only place where any speculation existed of hiring a great coach was here and on GI. Now many of those fantasy football experts here who thought it was going to happen are pissed at Maturi and Bruininks because it didn't.

Maybe they should have put down the kool aid and realized it was a fool's dream to begin with.

Maturi should have kept his mouth shut from the beginning. I suspect he was told yes by a couple of very good coaches who then backed out when other jobs started to open up or when their own schools stepped-up. They couldn't interview until the end of the season anyway and that's a lifetime in this business.

Brewster needed to go. Ironically for me personally it was the Northern Illinois game where I gave up all hope that Brewster could become a good coach. It was the fear of what would follow that kept me hoping he could learn on the job. The only winning coaches that came here in the last 50 years were Holtz and Mason. The first guy was a weasel who needed a paycheck for a couple of years. The second guy wanted a Big Ten stepping stone for tOSU job. Holtz quit when he got an offer he wanted and Mason quit trying when he didn't.

Now they got Kill. "They are who we THOUGHT they were", much like Colorado and Indiana found out. Hopefully, he'll get it done. Iowa got Hayden Fry and Wisconsin got Barry Alvarez to turn their programs around so maybe it could work here to. Being "the only game in town" helps, but being a good coach helps even more.

Very good record and in his 5 games against Big Ten teams very well coached. Will those skills work here? I hope so.

I wanted Leach and was hoping that Mullen, Golden or Edsall would think this would be their best chance for a big time job. The problem is they didn't think it was.

Blame Maturi for getting hopes up but quit whining about "we deserved a big time coach".

If you do in the College Football world you're in a tiny, delusional minority.
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Iceland12: I love you... but "in his 5 games against Big Ten teams very well coached" ... you broke down this year's Illinois game, or the close win over a non-bowl team in Purdue last year?

Correct... anger should be directed at Maturi... Kill deserves a chance.
 



Let's be honest, how many people here would take a job at a company where:

- The CEO is leaving and you don't really know what the style of the new CEO is going to be.
- AND the VP you report to is going to be out in the next 18-24 months and you have no idea who will replace that person.

If you currently have a good situation, why would you risk it to step into that much uncertainty?
 

Doogie said:
Iceland12: I love you... but "in his 5 games against Big Ten teams very well coached" ... you broke down this year's Illinois game, or the close win over a non-bowl team in Purdue last year?

Correct... anger should be directed at Maturi... Kill deserves a chance.
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Your hyperbole aside the answer would be yes, I saw most if not all of those games. A bit of a fluke really because I was at two of them, but not completely. When it comes to Big Ten football I'm a big nerd. I try to watch at least part of every Big Ten game though I don't pay attention to Non-Conference games that I think will be a blow-out.

It wasn't really that tough to do actually. Anybody who's a Gopher and Big Ten fan should have saw two or three of them at the very least.

Saw the NIU/Gopher game in 2008. Thought they played quite well there. Didn't see all of the Purdue game but watched the first half before going to TCF and read the recaps after. Saw the September game against the Badgers last year and was pulling for them in the Fourth Quarter. Illinois was another game that I couldn't watch all the way through but I did record it because they were playing the Gophers the next week and yeah I thought they played very well that day also. Thought they should have won the game to be honest.

So you read the post and your only question was whether I saw five games?

Okay!..:cool:
 


BarnBurner said:
Please list those reasons. Really - I am trying to wrap my arms around this and cant do it.
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I'll try and I'm certain others can chime in.

Minnesota is a great school with an interesting tradition and a member of a very competitive conference.

Put that good stuff aside.

The chance of a big time coach taking over a program like Minnesota is very unlikely. The highly successful coaches usually stay away from programs like the UM, IU and Colorado that have floundered for decades. Think Texas, USC, Alabama, etc. instead. Most believe Tubby fell into Minnesota's lap and is an exception rather than a rule.

Although Bruininks was willing to up the ante, it falls short of what it takes to hire a name coach and a seasoned and veteran staff. We were willing to get past the blue light specials and head to Sears or Penny's rather than to Bloomingdales or the top of the line places.

The fans base nor facilities, in particular large stadium capacity, are not there nor are the revenues. Money talks.

The reality of outgoing leadership is not very appealing and can be viewed as being chancey. President Kaler seems to put football on his to-do list which is a good start. Who will be the next AD is a valid concern?

Gopher football is one of many offerings for the local entertainment dollar which happens to rank well down the list.

Getting into Minnesota is a bit more difficult than most universities. Not saying that is a bad thing but it does hamper recruiting the athlete rather than the student/athlete. I wonder how much the elimination of the General College and has it hurt the program.

Minnesota is not southern California, Texas or Florida which makes it one step more difficult to nab the top recruits.

The program still struggles from the blatant lack of administrative support looking backwards. The current Admin. does say the right things however in regard to making football relevant again at Minnesota. But it takes time to change a culture and a way of doing business.

Hope that helps but that, for the most part, is my take.
 



Iceland and Bayfield: Just wanted to let you know I agree 100%. It would have been nice to wake up on Christmas morning to a new pony, but the fact that it didn't happen shouldn't wear the shine off a brand new bike.
 

Iceland12;324356 Iowa got Hayden Fry and Wisconsin got Barry Alvarez to turn their programs around so maybe it could work here to. Being "the only game in town" helps said:
Remember Fry came from SMU, well North Texas before Iowq and had success at the D1 level in a major conference, so he had a lot to sell when coming to Iowa. Alvarez was a big name Asst. Coach at Notre Dame when they were still relevant. They had experience recruiting 3 , 4 and 5 star guys. The million dollar question will Kill have the same success on the recruiting trail. Ask yourself this...you are a recruit, what about Kill will make you want to come to Minnesota. Sure stadium and facilities but at the end of the day the coach or asst coaches have to seal the deal.
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Football Fan said:
Remember Fry came from SMU, well North Texas before Iowq and had success at the D1 level in a major conference, so he had a lot to sell when coming to Iowa. Alvarez was a big name Asst. Coach at Notre Dame when they were still relevant. They had experience recruiting 3 , 4 and 5 star guys. The million dollar question will Kill have the same success on the recruiting trail. Ask yourself this...you are a recruit, what about Kill will make you want to come to Minnesota. Sure stadium and facilities but at the end of the day the coach or asst coaches have to seal the deal.
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Kill has gotten kids who had offers from schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Rutgers, and Illinois. My only point being that it's not like he's completely oblivious to recruiting players who have some decent options. It will be interesting to see how he is able to do out there on the recruiting trail at this level.
 

It looks to me that we are taking small but significant steps towards restoring Gopher football to elite status. The facilities are now in place. We were unable to attract a top coach due to 50 years of futility and lack of administrative support. However, with a new experienced coach on board in Jerry Kill, I feel we can restore the program to a reasonably competitive basis, hopefully with a vastly improved defense. With a new seemingly athletics friendly President and likely a new AD next year most of the pieces will be in place to upgrade the program. Although I do not think Jerry Kill will get us to the top, I feel he will be able upgrade the results enough to enable his successor to finishish the job. A good example is Oregon. It took took Rich Brooks 13 years to get Oregon solidly competitive. Belotti then took over and finished the job. The same thing can happen here. Let's give Coach Kill a chance. He needs everyones support to have a chance of being successful.
 


TLHGO4 said:
It looks to me that we are taking small but significant steps towards restoring Gopher football to elite status. The facilities are now in place. We were unable to attract a top coach due to 50 years of futility and lack of administrative support. However, with a new experienced coach on board in Jerry Kill, I feel we can restore the program to a reasonably competitive basis, hopefully with a vastly improved defense. With a new seemingly athletics friendly President and likely a new AD next year most of the pieces will be in place to upgrade the program. Although I do not think Jerry Kill will get us to the top, I feel he will be able upgrade the results enough to enable his successor to finishish the job. A good example is Oregon. It took took Rich Brooks 13 years to get Oregon solidly competitive. Belotti then took over and finished the job. The same thing can happen here. Let's give Coach Kill a chance. He needs everyones support to have a chance of being successful.
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Oregon is not a good example because they have something that the gophers will never have and that is a booster that gives the athletic department a blank check. The Oregon facilities are a huge factor in attracting kids to sign there and the quality of the facilities they have there are on another level from what the Gophers will ever have.
 

anonymous said:
Let's be honest, how many people here would take a job at a company where:

- The CEO is leaving and you don't really know what the style of the new CEO is going to be.
- AND the VP you report to is going to be out in the next 18-24 months and you have no idea who will replace that person.

If you currently have a good situation, why would you risk it to step into that much uncertainty?
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For a million/year and a contract for 5 years?

Sign me up.
 


Bayfieldgopher said:
I'll try and I'm certain others can chime in.

The chance of a big time coach taking over a program like Minnesota is very unlikely. The highly successful coaches usually stay away from programs like the UM, IU and Colorado that have floundered for decades. Think Texas, USC, Alabama, etc. instead. Most believe Tubby fell into Minnesota's lap and is an exception rather than a rule.
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True for the Gophers and IU. Colorado has won a national championship 30 years more recently than the Gophers.
 


Monty519 said:
Kill has gotten kids who had offers from schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Rutgers, and Illinois. My only point being that it's not like he's completely oblivious to recruiting players who have some decent options. It will be interesting to see how he is able to do out there on the recruiting trail at this level.
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Name the guys that had high D1 offer from the schools you listed, would be interesting to see how they rated
 

Football Fan said:
Name the guys that had high D1 offer from the schools you listed, would be interesting to see how they rated
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I don't feel like looking again, but my memory recalls most were that 5.5,5.6 three star guy, or upper 2-star. So it's not like these guys were those schools top choices. I'm just saying, it's not like he's completely unschooled to the game of recruiting. It's definitely an unknown quantity though.
 

GopherGod said:
Oregon is not a good example because they have something that the gophers will never have and that is a booster that gives the athletic department a blank check. The Oregon facilities are a huge factor in attracting kids to sign there and the quality of the facilities they have there are on another level from what the Gophers will ever have.
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When Brooks was there they didn't have the fancy facilities. They've been recent additions. Obviously facilities have a huge effect now. FYI - The Knight Foundation has also contributed huge amounts of money to the academics at Oregon.
 

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