Coaching salaries of NCAA tourney coaches

[SelectionSunday]

Something similar may already have been posted.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...03-28/ncaa-coaches-salary-database/53827374/1

 

[Gopher07]

Average total pay of the B1G tournament coaches: $2.57m.

 

[dpodoll68]

Average total pay of the B1G tournament coaches: $2.57m.

But, but, but...Tubby gets paid "top dollar"!

 

[Go4]

some on the hole been using tubby salary saying he should be top 3 in bt. some on the hole no where to be found during nit run. some on the hole no longer using tubby salary to demand comparable results. interesting.

 

[BarnBurner]

some on the hole been using tubby salary saying he should be top 3 in bt. some on the hole no where to be found during nit run. some on the hole no longer using tubby salary to demand comparable results. interesting.

NIT run???? You didnt just reference an NIT run, did you? 5 years in some on the hole are tickled with AN NIT RUN!!!!

Hilarious!!!!!

Making 2 mil a year for poor results is a good thing for tubby and a bad thing for those paying the salary. So, if tubby is at the top the conf titles will be sure to follow? Wanna place a wager 4?

Results go4, just results. Thus far, poor results.

 

[dpodoll68]

Results go4, just results.

I couldn't agree with you more, ZTA. Salary has no place in the discussion. It is of zero concern to fans. So, when one of your fellow Tubby Haters® brings it up, you're going to chime in and tell them it doesn't matter, right?

Also, while we're on the subject, since it's "just results", neither you nor your fellow Tubby Haters® can bring up sanctions/scholarship reductions/early draft departures/etc. when writing a dissertation to defend your boy Monson. That's fair, right?

 

[BarnBurner]

I couldn't agree with you more, ZTA. Salary has no place in the discussion. It is of zero concern to fans. So, when one of your fellow Tubby Haters® brings it up, you're going to chime in and tell them it doesn't matter, right?

Also, while we're on the subject, since it's "just results", neither you nor your fellow Tubby Haters® can bring up sanctions/scholarship reductions/early draft departures/etc. when writing a dissertation to defend your boy Monson. That's fair, right?

Tubby hater? Not me. Around here, if you expect ol tubby to produce wins, you are a tubby hater. And no, I didnt say it didnt matter. It does.

If you make 2 mil annually, you should be producing a lot more conf and ncaa wins, dont you think doll?

Do you really beleive Monson's success was not affected by the scandal and the resulting garbage? Contrast that to tubby - no sanctions at all, clean slate.

Their results through 5 seasons are not markedly different. Tells a lot about your boy's success, if you bemoan Monson - right doll?

 

[FanSinceTheFifties]

I think both sides in this argument over-rate the influence of a coach on a team's success. Since Minnesota's performance in both football and basketball for the past, say, 50 years, has been disappointing under a dozen coaches, is it possible that something else is the primary reason? Coaching certainly influences performance, but it's not the only, and I don't think even the primary, factor in a program's long-term record. A premier coach may make the difference between being second or third in the conference. I don't think he can make the difference between eighth and second.

 

[XMan]

Minngg will be on soon to tell us how the coaches salaries listed are not accurate.

 

[scher215]

Minngg will be on soon to tell us how the coaches salaries listed are not accurate.

No he won't ...

 

[dpodoll68]

Tubby hater? Not me.

You keep telling yourself that.

And no, I didnt say it didnt matter.

Yes, you did. You said "just results". In that context, "just" is synonymous with "only". You said that nothing but wins matter. Therefore, you said that his salary does not matter.

If you make 2 mil annually, you should be producing a lot more conf and ncaa wins, dont you think doll?

Not at Minnesota, no. "Some" more, yes. Not "a lot" more. You and the other Tubby Haters® tend to forget which school you're a "fan" of. And his salary doesn't make a bit of difference. His own historical record and the historical record of Minnesota, and his performance relative to those standards, are what matter.

Do you really beleive Monson's success was not affected by the scandal and the resulting garbage?

Who said that? You're being disingenuous.

(P.S. I before E except after C.)

Their results through 5 seasons are not markedly different.

They are remarkably different. See SS's thread.

Tells a lot about your boy's success, if you bemoan Monson - right doll?

Sure does. It tells me that Tubby is, was, and always will be a much, much better coach than Monson ever dreamt of being.

 

[BarnBurner]

You keep telling yourself that.



Yes, you did. You said "just results". In that context, "just" is synonymous with "only". You said that nothing but wins matter. Therefore, you said that his salary does not matter.



Not at Minnesota, no. "Some" more, yes. Not "a lot" more. You and the other Tubby Haters® tend to forget which school you're a "fan" of. And his salary doesn't make a bit of difference. His own historical record and the historical record of Minnesota, and his performance relative to those standards, are what matter.



Who said that? You're being disingenuous.

(P.S. I before E except after C.)



They are remarkably different. See SS's thread.



Sure does. It tells me that Tubby is, was, and always will be a much, much better coach than Monson ever dreamt of being.

We are in MN so that means not a lot more wins? Sound logic doll.

Hater? Not even close. But you keep telling yourself that.

 

[dpodoll68]

We are in MN so that means not a lot more wins? Sound logic doll.

It doesn't matter where we are "in". No one said that.

It does matter what school we are talking about. The historical records are readily available and they speak for themselves. I'm sorry if you can't read them or don't understand what they tell you, but none of that is my problem, nor is it Tubby's.

 

[BarnBurner]

It doesn't matter where we are "in". No one said that.

It does matter what school we are talking about. The historical records are readily available and they speak for themselves. I'm sorry if you can't read them or don't understand what they tell you, but none of that is my problem, nor is it Tubby's.

So tubby is not expected to improve on the past records of teams at the U of MN......


Well done tubby. Mission accomplished.

Minnesota mediocrity by dpdoll.

 

[GoAUpher]

We are in MN so that means not a lot more wins? Sound logic doll.

Try looking at the historical win levels for coaches at MN. Minnesota is not a program that has a history of high levels of success. Just brief periods of success, of which there are 3 recent ones. Of those 3, 2 were accomplished via cheating. Your ignorance of the history of the program doesn't negate dpodoll's point. Does Tubby need to do better? Yes, unequivocally. But if the historical profile of the program is your guide then he is simply average right now.

 

[dpodoll68]

So tubby is not expected to improve on the past records of teams at the U of MN

Who said that?

Since the excuse meter gets cranked up for Monson in here constantly, when I crank up the excuse meter for Tubby, I say the Gophers are working on a 4-consecutive-year Tournament streak without the injuries to Nolen and Mbakwe the past 2 seasons. As it is, with the excuse meter turned off, Tubby making the Tournament 2 out of 5 years (and making the postseason 4 out of 5 years) are both well above historical averages. But that doesn't fit the Tubby Haters® ethos, so let's ignore it.

 

[BarnBurner]

Who said that?

Since the excuse meter gets cranked up for Monson in here constantly, when I crank up the excuse meter for Tubby, I say the Gophers are working on a 4-consecutive-year Tournament streak without the injuries to Nolen and Mbakwe the past 2 seasons. As it is, with the excuse meter turned off, Tubby making the Tournament 2 out of 5 years (and making the postseason 4 out of 5 years) are both well above historical averages. But that doesn't fit the Tubby Haters® ethos, so let's ignore it.

"I'm sorry if you can't read them or don't understand what they tell you, but none of that is my problem, nor is it Tubby's."

YOU said it.

I like that you admit you make excuses for tubby.

Ask SS what that makes you dpdoll.

 

[BarnBurner]

Try looking at the historical win levels for coaches at MN. Minnesota is not a program that has a history of high levels of success. Just brief periods of success, of which there are 3 recent ones. Of those 3, 2 were accomplished via cheating. Your ignorance of the history of the program doesn't negate dpodoll's point. Does Tubby need to do better? Yes, unequivocally. But if the historical profile of the program is your guide then he is simply average right now.

My ignorance? Please. Talk about something of which you understand.

Tubby has not lived up to expectations - admit it.

March 2007 the expectations were much, much higher. Since that time, expectations have eroded, to the point of making excuses for team performance.

 

[dpodoll68]

"I'm sorry if you can't read them or don't understand what they tell you, but none of that is my problem, nor is it Tubby's."

YOU said it.

Yes, I did say that. None of that states or implies in any way, shape, or form that Tubby wasn't expected to achieve above historical standards. And he has done exactly that, regardless of what you think.

I like that you admit you make excuses for tubby.

Damn right I do. Someone has to. People like to pretend that injuries don't matter, and that "highly paid" coaches are supposed to somehow magically overcome the loss of players. People also like to pretend that schools at Minnesota's level lose first-team All-Big Ten players/their best player in many years all the time.

People here make excuses for Monson all the time. They also pretend that the cheating wasn't real and that the fake Final Four is still legitimate. But no one is supposed to make those same excuses for Tubby. He's supposed to win, and win big, regardless of the hand that he's been dealt.

Ask SS what that makes you dpdoll.

I really like SS a lot, but frankly, I don't care even a little bit what he thinks of me. My arguments stand on their own. If it were possible, I would care even less what you think.

Tubby has not lived up to expectations - admit it.

March 2007 the expectations were much, much higher.

Here's where your whole logic falls apart. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WERE. None of us do. Unless you were a part of the negotiations, you have absolutely no idea. At all. You can make your own best "educated" guess as to what those expectations were, and then hold Tubby to your own imaginary expectations that you made up. You are absolutely free to do that. But that is not unlike the crazy person standing out on the corner yelling at the sky because it was supposed to rain cats today and it didn't.

 

[goldengophers]

Lack of extension=expectations not being met, extensions are handed out like Starburst on Halloween and if a coach hasn't received one after 5 years it's apparent by inference that expectations have not been met. This circular discussion gets more tornadic every time, Tubby was paid in the top 3 of the conference at his time of hire and is no longer amongst the top because he hasn't coached the team to the expected results.

 

[dpodoll68]

Lack of extension=expectations not being met, extensions are handed out like Starburst on Halloween and if a coach hasn't received one after 5 years it's apparent by inference that expectations have not been met.

Or, rather, the extension has been on the table for at least two years and it hasn't been signed because Tubby doesn't like the terms being offered. Or, possibly, the extension was once on the table, and no longer is, and won't be again until a new AD is in place to make that decision.

 

[HOOP DREAMS]

Pat Knight makes 150,000?

 

[GoAUpher]

Tubby has not lived up to expectations - admit it.

I already did. Perhaps if you read more carefully you'd have understood the part where I said this:

Does Tubby need to do better? Yes, unequivocally.

That's the part where I agree that he hasn't lived up to expectations.

I responded to you not because I'm claiming Tubby's performance is good enough. I responded because you said dpodoll's comments about the historical level of wins at Minnesota was wrong. And it's not. The program does not have a history of sustained success. It simply does not. This does not mean we should be happy with mediocrity. This does not mean Minnesota is doomed to always have limited success in basketball. It means that the solution isn't going to be easy and will probably require a combo of the right coach and a little bit of luck. It also means that if you're going to dispute the accuracy of a statement made using those historical records you should know what you are talking about.

 

[gall0249]

and another thread turns into a pissing match.