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Very interesting read from Rivals' Tom Dienhart. He has his buddy Brewster on the hot seat, along with a TON of BIG NAME coaches. I guess the good news is if Brewster is shown the door, there could be some big names looking for work that we could pounce on. Hopefully, for the sake of the program Brewster can definitively coach himself off of the hot seat. The bad news is if Brewster really turns it around here, it appears there could be some high profile jobs open and he could bolt. Isn't college football fun?!?
 

Yep. It looks like Brewster will need to be 7-5 at the end of November or else. And for the record, I'm not a Brewster hater.
 

Unfortunately having a lot of high profile coahces potentially getting fired also means high profile jobs opening up. Hopefully, Brew can deliver and get himself off the hot seat, but agree that 8-5 is probably the the benchmark. That would include AT LEAST one of the following: W over Iowa, Wisconsin, or in a bowl.
 

Oh please. People that make coaching decisions are only partially this mindless. So you think less than 7-5 or 8-5 with a relatively difficult schedule and very competitive play will spell doom for Brewster? Doubt it, if it occurs as stated, but then it's so much cleaner and simpler to have a formula.
 

To those worrying that Coach Brewster would leave for a bigger, better job, we could only be so lucky as to see him do so well this year that this becomes a real possibility.

FWIW, I think Coach Brewster is a solid program builder but still has plenty to prove as a game day coach. Prolific programs don't need someone to build their program, they're already there. They need a guy who can take that talent and get the best out of it every Saturday.
 


maxwellsmart said:
Oh please. People that make coaching decisions are only partially this mindless. So you think less than 7-5 or 8-5 with a relatively difficult schedule and very competitive play will spell doom for Brewster? Doubt it, if it occurs as stated, but then it's so much cleaner and simpler to have a formula.
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We'll see who's right come fall a$$face.
 

Pretty simple: He has to go .500 in the B10 and beat Wisky or Herky.
 

Studwell55 said:
Pretty simple: He has to go .500 in the B10 and beat Wisky or Herky.
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.........Then I think Brewster is in big trouble. The Gophers will be picked either 10th or 11th in the Big Ten by every respectable publication this year and I would have to agree that is fair with the massive changeover in defense as well as change in offensive coordinator.

Tim Brewster still does not deserve any respect as a good game day coach because he has proven nothing yet. He is still learning on the fly and I would put him very near the bottom of Big Ten coaches. However, I still say it isn't going to be all about wins and losses for Brewster this year. We just need to see the program headed in the right direction and this is very attainable. I do not like to fire coaches every three-four years - it just kills your stability although with all the coordinator changes the last few years, we really haven't had that anyways!!

I think Brewster has got to know his job is on the line and I wonder if he will pull out all the stops this year. This would include pulling Weber if he struggles and bringing in a new QB or going with more of "his" guys. This could be a very interesting year but I am not really feeling too good about it. I think he goes 4-8 (or worse) and loses his job at the end of the year, but that is just my gut feeling right now. If all the right things fall together (and they certainly could) we could end up back in another Bowl game and feeling really good about the 2011 season.
 

I can only speak for myself. Brewster will lose my support unless the following happens in 2010:

At least 5 wins
plus at least one of the following:
a) a win over Iowa or Wisconsin
b) a win over a legitimately ranked team (ie still ranked in December)
c) a bowl victory

In reality, I don't think it would be likely to do one of those things without winning 6+ games, but in the unlikely event that we do win 5 and still accomplish one of those, I'll stay on board.
 



Brewster would have to win 3 or less games to get fired. If Lucia still has a job in a month, Brewster will be around at least a couple more years.
 

Once again it won't be about record or the so called signature win, it will be about the improvement of the over all program. So throw your benchmarks away and pay attention to what actually happens. It's what Bruiniks and Maturie will do. They've been in the game a long time and can tell if a program is moving or floundering.
 

Schnoodler said:
Once again it won't be about record or the so called signature win, it will be about the improvement of the over all program. So throw your benchmarks away and pay attention to what actually happens. It's what Bruiniks and Maturie will do. They've been in the game a long time and can tell if a program is moving or floundering.
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I agree. If Brewster can make it look like the program is headed in the right direction, I think he will keep his job for at least another year. I find it very hard for the offense to perform any worse than it did over the last half of the 2009 season so improvement should be fairly easy there. There will have to be some guys who step up and play some defense right away because we have a lot of holes to fill, though. I think another losing the last 6 games of the season isn't going to cut it this time, though...the natives are getting a little restless and a bad season will make it impossible for Brewster to bring in a decent recruiting class because the recruits won't listen to the Rose Bowl talk anymore. I don't care how good he can recruit, it won't matter anymore. Just ask Ron Zook that one - he is probably an even better recruiter than Brewster - he certainly has brought in his share of highly rated players, but if you lose the faith of the kids you are recruiting, you are done.
Make no mistake, this is a very crucial year for Tim Brewster and this article highlights this.
 

Schnoodler said:
Once again it won't be about record or the so called signature win, it will be about the improvement of the over all program. So throw your benchmarks away and pay attention to what actually happens. It's what Bruiniks and Maturie will do. They've been in the game a long time and can tell if a program is moving or floundering.
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+1--The Offense has to be better and the Defense needs to overcome its collective inexperience by forcing TOs and being as athletic as advertised. I think Minnesota has to go 3-1 in the OOC season and start out the Big Ten schedule 2-0 (over Northwestern and Wisconsin) for Brewster to really feel safe. 7-5 regular season keeps him his job while any lesser result will point Maturi back to what schnoodler already said to make a determination.

Luckily, I think 7-5 is exactly the record the Gophers will achieve this fall.
 



4 of the top 8 hottest seats are from the Big Ten. This could explain why the conference doesn't get a lot of love nationally.
 

richt and miles

do not deserve to be listed IMHO
 

Rosemountian said:
4 of the top 8 hottest seats are from the Big Ten. This could explain why the conference doesn't get a lot of love nationally.
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After 4 wins over top 15 teams during Bowl season the Big Ten is getting plenty of love actually. But in Big time college football conferences there are always coaches on hot seats.
 

maxwellsmart said:
Oh please. People that make coaching decisions are only partially this mindless. So you think less than 7-5 or 8-5 with a relatively difficult schedule and very competitive play will spell doom for Brewster? Doubt it, if it occurs as stated, but then it's so much cleaner and simpler to have a formula.
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When are we going to quit using difficult schedules as an excuse for mediocre records. This will be Brewster's 4th year, if he comes in with anything less than 7-5 he will be on the hot seat even more than he is now. When Brew comes in and in his first year starts talking about taking Gopher nation to the Rose bowl and winning big ten championships he needs to start showing that this program is heading in that direction.
 

Schnoodler said:
Once again it won't be about record or the so called signature win, it will be about the improvement of the over all program. So throw your benchmarks away and pay attention to what actually happens. It's what Bruiniks and Maturie will do. They've been in the game a long time and can tell if a program is moving or floundering.
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True, although I'd say with Maturi's rather tepid comments about Brewster's contract situation late in the year last season and the toothless extension they agreed to, that it is clear Maturi is luke warm right now on the direction of the program and he will need to see some real progress. I would guess Maturi in fact does have some benchmarks in his mind as to number of victories, etc., that he would like to see.

I've been a Brewster backer from the get-go, but I find myself wavering a bit, as well. For me, it isn't necessarily about wins, but rather how we stack up with the rest of the Big Ten. So, with that in mind, my goal is simple. I'd like to see something better than the Insight Bowl. It is year four of Brew. We brought him in to get us past that level of bowl game. Brewster has said himself those middling bowls don't interest him all that much. In year four, it is basically his bat and ball, so it is on him now. The problem is with this schedule, the team might not even make a bowl game. If that's the case, I could see a change in order.
 

wdgold said:
When are we going to quit using difficult schedules as an excuse for mediocre records. This will be Brewster's 4th year, if he comes in with anything less than 7-5 he will be on the hot seat even more than he is now. When Brew comes in and in his first year starts talking about taking Gopher nation to the Rose bowl and winning big ten chamionships he needs to start showing that this program his heading in that direction.
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If the 2010 schedule weren't likely the strongest in the history of Gopher football, I'd say you have a point.

But since it almost certainly will be, I'd say that you don't.
 

dpodoll68 said:
If the 2010 schedule weren't likely the strongest in the history of Gopher football, I'd say you have a point.

But since it almost certainly will be, I'd say that you don't.
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Well, I guess a 1-11 season in 2010 will satisfy me then.
 


gophmeister said:
We'll see who's right come fall a$$face.
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This is exactly the type of insightful and engaging post that makes coming to this board each day so interesting and fun. Can you expand on that point so I become even more informed about Gopher football? :rolleyes:
 

dpodoll68 said:
So, 1-11 is "mediocre" now?
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Let's get serious for a moment. Based on the schedule next year how many wins would be respectable? It would be nice to see at least one upset in there somewhere.
 

wdgold said:
Let's get serious for a moment. Based on the schedule next year how many wins would be respectable? It would be nice to see at least one upset in there somewhere.
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Let's break it down into three segments, which I think will give us a better understanding of a realistic look at the schedule.

Should win:

MTSU
USD
NIU

Coin flips:

Northwestern
Purdue
Michigan St
Illinois

Upset specials:

USC
Wisconsin
Penn St.
Ohio St.
Iowa

Now, if you are willing to accept the premise that most teams will win the games they should, and split the toss-ups, that puts us at 5 wins.

If we overachieve and win all 4 toss-up games, that puts us at 7 wins.

If we manage to defeat, say, 2 of the 5 teams that will be heavily favored, that puts us at 9 wins.

Therefore, an "acceptable" range of victories should be 5-9, with 6 or 7 the most likely outcome.

Now, since 6 or 7 wins is the most likely, and a 6-7 or 7-6 record is, by definition, mediocre, how can you sit with a straight face and lambast people for "excusing" mediocre records?

You can live in fantasyland, or live in reality. I, for one, choose to change the things I can, and accept the things I cannot. Those of you living in fantasyland would like to think that holding Brewster to a utopian standard of achievement will somehow will this team to 10 or 11 victories. But here's a newsflash: this team has been mediocre for 42 years and counting. No one outside of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer was going to come in here and lead this program to Rose Bowls within 3 or 4 seasons.

Generally speaking, most teams will finish within 1 or 2 victories of where they should. By that standard, Brewster should be commended for finishing with 5-8 wins. Anything less than that, and he should start polishing up his resumé. Anything more, and they should erect a statue of him outside TCF.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Let's break it down into three segments, which I think will give us a better understanding of a realistic look at the schedule.

Should win:

MTSU
USD
NIU

Coin flips:

Northwestern
Purdue
Michigan St
Illinois

Upset specials:

USC
Wisconsin
Penn St.
Ohio St.
Iowa

Now, if you are willing to accept the premise that most teams will win the games they should, and split the toss-ups, that puts us at 5 wins.

If we overachieve and win all 4 toss-up games, that puts us at 7 wins.

If we manage to defeat, say, 2 of the 5 teams that will be heavily favored, that puts us at 9 wins.

Therefore, an "acceptable" range of victories should be 5-9, with 6 or 7 the most likely outcome.

Now, since 6 or 7 wins is the most likely, and a 6-7 or 7-6 record is, by definition, mediocre, how can you sit with a straight face and lambast people for "excusing" mediocre records?

You can live in fantasyland, or live in reality. I, for one, choose to change the things I can, and accept the things I cannot. Those of you living in fantasyland would like to think that holding Brewster to a utopian standard of achievement will somehow will this team to 10 or 11 victories. But here's a newsflash: this team has been mediocre for 42 years and counting. No one outside of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer was going to come in here and lead this program to Rose Bowls within 3 or 4 seasons.

Generally speaking, most teams will finish within 1 or 2 victories of where they should. By that standard, Brewster should be commended for finishing with 5-8 wins. Anything less than that, and he should start polishing up his resumé. Anything more, and they should erect a statue of him outside TCF.
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Despite putting words in my mouth you make some good points, but time will tell.
 

If a coach is truly on the hot seat

The AD had better have a short list in his pocket. Now depending on the ranking of "ideal jobs" if Mark Richt is let go, If Les Miles is let go, What are Rich Rod's chances?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Let's break it down into three segments, which I think will give us a better understanding of a realistic look at the schedule.

Should win:

MTSU
USD
NIU

Coin flips:

Northwestern
Purdue
Michigan St
Illinois

Upset specials:

USC
Wisconsin
Penn St.
Ohio St.
Iowa

Now, if you are willing to accept the premise that most teams will win the games they should, and split the toss-ups, that puts us at 5 wins.

If we overachieve and win all 4 toss-up games, that puts us at 7 wins.

If we manage to defeat, say, 2 of the 5 teams that will be heavily favored, that puts us at 9 wins.

Therefore, an "acceptable" range of victories should be 5-9, with 6 or 7 the most likely outcome.

Now, since 6 or 7 wins is the most likely, and a 6-7 or 7-6 record is, by definition, mediocre, how can you sit with a straight face and lambast people for "excusing" mediocre records?

You can live in fantasyland, or live in reality. I, for one, choose to change the things I can, and accept the things I cannot. Those of you living in fantasyland would like to think that holding Brewster to a utopian standard of achievement will somehow will this team to 10 or 11 victories. But here's a newsflash: this team has been mediocre for 42 years and counting. No one outside of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer was going to come in here and lead this program to Rose Bowls within 3 or 4 seasons.

Generally speaking, most teams will finish within 1 or 2 victories of where they should. By that standard, Brewster should be commended for finishing with 5-8 wins. Anything less than that, and he should start polishing up his resumé. Anything more, and they should erect a statue of him outside TCF.
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Even though you irk me sometimes with arrogant comments, you always seem to make some pretty damn good points. This post was definitely one of them--good to read some common sense from time to time!
 

dpodoll68 said:
Let's break it down into three segments, which I think will give us a better understanding of a realistic look at the schedule.

Should win:

MTSU
USD
NIU

Coin flips:

Northwestern
Purdue
Michigan St
Illinois

Upset specials:

USC
Wisconsin
Penn St.
Ohio St.
Iowa

Now, if you are willing to accept the premise that most teams will win the games they should, and split the toss-ups, that puts us at 5 wins.

If we overachieve and win all 4 toss-up games, that puts us at 7 wins.

If we manage to defeat, say, 2 of the 5 teams that will be heavily favored, that puts us at 9 wins.

Therefore, an "acceptable" range of victories should be 5-9, with 6 or 7 the most likely outcome.

Now, since 6 or 7 wins is the most likely, and a 6-7 or 7-6 record is, by definition, mediocre, how can you sit with a straight face and lambast people for "excusing" mediocre records?

You can live in fantasyland, or live in reality. I, for one, choose to change the things I can, and accept the things I cannot. Those of you living in fantasyland would like to think that holding Brewster to a utopian standard of achievement will somehow will this team to 10 or 11 victories. But here's a newsflash: this team has been mediocre for 42 years and counting. No one outside of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer was going to come in here and lead this program to Rose Bowls within 3 or 4 seasons.

Generally speaking, most teams will finish within 1 or 2 victories of where they should. By that standard, Brewster should be commended for finishing with 5-8 wins. Anything less than that, and he should start polishing up his resumé. Anything more, and they should erect a statue of him outside TCF.
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This is well thought out and realistic even if it lacks urgency. I for one agree that Brewster should stick around for at least one more year even if they finish with 5 wins next year.

But that being said, the biggest flaw with above post and us being satisfied with 5 or 6 wins for another year is that it is more of the same--If Brewster is a .500 coach year after year and after giving him 5 or 6 years to get that breakout season and bring in "his own" players, there really is no point in keeping him around--unless you think there are no better coaches available or his recruiting or some other aspect of the program is steadily improving.
 

Tubtastic said:
This is well thought out and realistic even if it lacks urgency. I for one agree that Brewster should stick around for at least one more year even if they finish with 5 wins next year.

But that being said, the biggest flaw with above post and us being satisfied with 5 or 6 wins for another year is that it is more of the same--If Brewster is a .500 coach year after year and after giving him 5 or 6 years to get that breakout season and bring in "his own" players, there really is no point in keeping him around--unless you think there are no better coaches available or his recruiting or some other aspect of the program is steadily improving.
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Hit the Nail on the Head! Although I am not a Brewster hater his seat will get a little hotter with a 5 win season this year.
 

If Brewster only wins 5 games he should be gone. He needs to have a quality win this year and not simply beat the teams we are supposed to beat. He's got to make a bowl and beat at least one of this group: Wisconsin, Iowa, USC, Ohio State, Penn State.
 

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