Chip Scoggins just gets it folks. Great article. Strib..give him Reusse/Souhan's job


This is how you write an article/column. Research your subject. Provide facts and background. Don't be snarky or a prick just to be. Great write up by Chip. One columnist/reporter in this town who actually gets it.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/189935971.html

So Wisconsin and Iowa have the same issue (Iowa actually has it worse), yet both programs have been much better than Minnesota. It's not good when you go 1-4 on your home state targets. It could have been mentioned that Brewster never lost a Minnesota kid to Iowa and didn't seem to have much trouble early in his tenure getting kids with nice offer lists to come to Minnesota. Kill did do a great job last year in keeping Pirsig/McDonald/HayesNelson home last year in a class that was unusually deep.
 

I like Chip and this article is way better than anything from Fat Pat or Souhan, but I disagree with his premise. His premise would have been wrong last year and will be wrong next year. It was a down year in MN and we don't have a ton of available sholorships.
 

Great article by Chip. I disagree with the number of BCS kids MN produces, I believe it to be more. Coming OUT of high school, I would agree. Coming out of college, there are more. What I'm saying is they are missed coming out of high school but after playing at whatever non BCS school they attend we can identify those who would have been able to play at a BCS level had they been given the opportunity. The truth is gopher coaches (past, present and future) must do a better job of identfiying them out of high school.

Also at the risk of pissing folks off I will say it again; bottom feeding on football players from other states result in some of the most horrible football players I have ever seen wearing maroon and gold.
 

Great article by Chip. I disagree with the number of BCS kids MN produces, I believe it to be more. Coming OUT of high school, I would agree. Coming out of college, there are more. What I'm saying is they are missed coming out of high school but after playing at whatever non BCS school they attend we can identify those who would have been able to play at a BCS level had they been given the opportunity. The truth is gopher coaches (past, present and future) must do a better job of identfiying them out of high school.

Also at the risk of pissing folks off I will say it again; bottom feeding on football players from other states result in some of the most horrible football players I have ever seen wearing maroon and gold.

I agree, that is why the PWO program is so important to places like Minnesota. We get to bring in those players with the potential and hope they blossom. There is a reason why the lower division schools around here that feed on MN kids always have such good teams (it seems every year one or more of them are playing for national championships, I include NDSU). They are built on MN kids that have not yet reached there prime because they don't have the same high school experience as some of the southern "hot bed" states.
 


Great article by Chip. I disagree with the number of BCS kids MN produces, I believe it to be more. Coming OUT of high school, I would agree. Coming out of college, there are more. What I'm saying is they are missed coming out of high school but after playing at whatever non BCS school they attend we can identify those who would have been able to play at a BCS level had they been given the opportunity. The truth is gopher coaches (past, present and future) must do a better job of identfiying them out of high school.

Also at the risk of pissing folks off I will say it again; bottom feeding on football players from other states result in some of the most horrible football players I have ever seen wearing maroon and gold.

I don't think you and Chip have the same idea. Chip seems to be saying that MN needs to produce more talent and you're saying that the U needs to sign more players from MN. I tend to lean more towards your opinion.

I just want good football players here, I don't care if they're from Monticello or Mars.
 

What Chip does not mention, or seem to comprehend, it is not about landing all the Minnesota Players. This isn't hockey. The equation must consider how many of the recruits will contribute to winning and how many will graduate. In a given year you get 20-25 high school players who either patch holes, build depth, or blossom into legitimate Big 10 players. I think there are better odds in Las Vegas. Now you say, Ohio State does it. Sure they may have the best 7 players in the nation each year. But that is no guarantee.
And while we land only one Minnesotan, we land Edwards and he thumbs his nose at Michigan, I like his style.
 

So Wisconsin and Iowa have the same issue (Iowa actually has it worse), yet both programs have been much better than Minnesota. It's not good when you go 1-4 on your home state targets. It could have been mentioned that Brewster never lost a Minnesota kid to Iowa and didn't seem to have much trouble early in his tenure getting kids with nice offer lists to come to Minnesota. Kill did do a great job last year in keeping Pirsig/McDonald/HayesNelson home last year in a class that was unusually deep.

It could also be mentioned that Brewster never beat Iowa. Which is more important to you?
 

I don't think you and Chip have the same idea. Chip seems to be saying that MN needs to produce more talent and you're saying that the U needs to sign more players from MN. I tend to lean more towards your opinion.

I just want good football players here, I don't care if they're from Monticello or Mars.
I agree with that and I like your posts Bob, but I agree with Chip. Actually if the city schools produced even half a dozen quality players a year, and they should, the talent available in Mn would be very different.
I agree there should be more MN kids on the roster, but the PWO program is the way to do it. There are more kids that can play, but trying to project them in High School is tough if they are not going to a suburban school with excellent resources and coaching.
The good news is we have started producing RBs and DBs with more frequency, and we have never even been able to make serious offers at those positions in most years.
 



I agree with that and I like your posts Bob, but I agree with Chip. Actually if the city schools produced even half a dozen quality players a year, and they should, the talent available in Mn would be very different.
I agree there should be more MN kids on the roster, but the PWO program is the way to do it. There are more kids that can play, but trying to project them in High School is tough if they are not going to a suburban school with excellent resources and coaching.
The good news is we have started producing RBs and DBs with more frequency, and we have never even been able to make serious offers at those positions in most years.

this is just one of the reasons why open enrollment is so bad for a good number of the city school athletic programs.

btw - i should have clarified something in my original post. i was stating that chip gets it in how to write a proper column/article. something i think he usually does quite well. one thing i do think he could have added, or been more clear on, was the overall BCS level talent pool being down in minnesota this year and part of the reason why there were so few BCS level signees in the state this year. compared to other previous years, and next year, the 2013 signing class was a down year depth wise for high school talent.
 

It could also be mentioned that Brewster never beat Iowa. Which is more important to you?

He, or no one else, said that it was more important than winning. This thread is about in-state recruiting and that's what his comments were about.
 

Chip was on the radio and said that the Gophers are in a position that it is only feesible that 25% of a class can be from MN. 5 out of 20. The state should have 8-10 BCS kids a year and the Gophers need to get at 5-7 of those. This year there were only 5 of them and the Gophers only offered 4 and got 1. However we got a bunch of kids to PWO.

I agree with Chip that there needs to be close to 10 kids each year that are BCS potential. That is on many the HS Coaches, MSHSL Rules and length of season, Gophers improving and Vikings improving. They all play a role.
 

I agree, that is why the PWO program is so important to places like Minnesota. We get to bring in those players with the potential and hope they blossom. There is a reason why the lower division schools around here that feed on MN kids always have such good teams (it seems every year one or more of them are playing for national championships, I include NDSU). They are built on MN kids that have not yet reached there prime because they don't have the same high school experience as some of the southern "hot bed" states.

Agree on the PWO program. We aren't going to get blue-chip recruits flockking to Minnesota til we start winning. Obviously, winning is tougher without the top recruits, so it is crucial that the coach finds a way to identify overlooked talent and properly develop it. To use a hated example from next door, Jared Abbrederis was originally a walk-on. We need to get a few walk-ons to perform like that to really build the program up.
 



Oh, I don't know. Scoggins went after Kill on the fake FG on 4-and-a-mile against Michigan as did I and my guess is the reaction to Scoggins would have been similar to the reaction to me.

Seriously, Chip does a good job, but I only partially agree with him here. I think the Twin City suburbs are starting to develop a lot of kids with FBS talent, it's just not often that Minnesota has talent at the skilled positions (McDonald last year and Jones next year are the anomalies). The City Conferences have lost a ton of kids to open enrollment and the integration programs that basically put kids on wheels. Sprinkle a few outstate kids in and the classes here should produce 15-20 guys who will at least contribute at or above the FCS level.

It's not all about getting every Minnesota kid. It's about getting every Minnesota kid who fits your program and is interested in attending the U.
 

To use a hated example from next door, Jared Abbrederis was originally a walk-on.

No worries. He's a near-by and obvious example. Here are some others:

Brandon Burlsworth - Arkansas: A walk-on for the Arkansas Razorbacks in 1996, Burlsworth eventually became a second-team All-America and a third-round pick of the Indianapolis Colts.

Karl Mecklenburg

Louis Oliver - Florida: Became a starting free safety and team captain for the Gators and was a first-team All-America selection in 1987 and 1988.

Aeneas Williams - Southern: He didn't take up football until his junior year at Southern University, but by his senior year he had tied the Division 1-AA single-season record with 11 interceptions.

Darren Woodson - Arizona State: A walk-on linebacker at Arizona State, Woodson was named to five Pro Bowls and went on to win three Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys. Woodson is just one of several Sun Devils who went from walk-on to NFL pro (Adam Archuleta and Levi Jones also accomplished the feat).

Andre Wadsworth - Florida State: Lightly recruited out of high school, Andre Wadsworth decided to walk on at Florida State in 1994. Despite playing tight end in high school, Wadsworth played defensive tackle for the Seminoles and earned All-ACC honors during his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior years.

Scott Fujita - California: Though recruited by several Ivy League schools, Fujita opted to walk on at the University of California in 1997. Originally a safety, Fujita made the seamless transition to collegiate linebacker and earned a scholarship shortly thereafter.

Santana Moss - Miami: A walk-on for the Miami Hurricanes in 1997, Moss would graduate as the school's leader in receiving yards (2,546) and all-purpose yards (4,393).

Gary Brackett - Rutgers: By the time Brackett was a senior, he was the Scarlet Knights' captain and led the team with 130 tackles, second-most in the Big East that year.

Colt Brennan - Hawaii: Colt Brennan is another rarity in that he walked on twice, first at the University of Colorado in 2003, then again in 2005 at the University of Hawaii. His second stint proved more successful, and by the time Brennan graduated in 2008 he held the NCAA record for most touchdown passes in a single season, highest pass completion percentage and passing efficiency.

Logan Mankins - Fresno State: A walk-on at Fresno State, Mankins started 14 games as a redshirt freshman, allowing only two sacks on future No. 1 pick David Carr. He was named to the Freshman All-America team and would later become the first offensive lineman in Fresno State history to win the team's MVP award.

Jordy Nelson - Kansas State: The Manhattan, Kan., native walked on at Kansas State and drew national attention during his sophomore campaign when he caught 45 passes and eight touchdowns. Injuries largely derailed Nelson's junior season, but he showed his stats weren't a fluke when he caught 122 passes for 1,606 yards and 11 touchdowns during his senior season with the Wildcats.

Clay Matthews - USC: Thought to be too small and too slow to play at the collegiate level, Matthews walked on at USC in 2004 largely because of who his father was. Matthews didn't earn a scholarship until 2006 and didn't start until his senior year, but he showed enough to warrant a first-round pick from the Green Bay Packers.
 

Chip was on the radio and said that the Gophers are in a position that it is only feesible that 25% of a class can be from MN. 5 out of 20. The state should have 8-10 BCS kids a year and the Gophers need to get at 5-7 of those. This year there were only 5 of them and the Gophers only offered 4 and got 1. However we got a bunch of kids to PWO.

I agree with Chip that there needs to be close to 10 kids each year that are BCS potential. That is on many the HS Coaches, MSHSL Rules and length of season, Gophers improving and Vikings improving. They all play a role.

My argument is that there are more BCS kids in MN each year than we are credited for....the problem is that are not identified as such coming OUT of high school. There are far too many Kyle Therets (I love this kid but...) who wear maroon and gold. Don't get me wrong, Kyle was a starting S on a Big Ten bowl team; however I would bet $5000 of Mrs Sportsfans money I could have found 4 to 5 such kids from Mn the same year he came out.

We started the 2011 season with 3 of the 4 starters (including Kyle who would replace Troy) in the secondary with Mn kids. Yes, I know as a group they where lacking....cough, cough...sucked (a lot has to do with no pass rush), but let's not forget about the guys from out of state who were recruited to fill those positions. As in they couldn't beat out a converted rb or Mankato walk on who transferred to Mn?
 


Nice article by Chip. One thing that Texas has to deal with, that Minnesota doesn't, is the amount of D-I schools. here's a list form Texas. Texas



Baylor Bears

Baylor University

Waco

Big 12



Houston Cougars

University of Houston

Houston

Big East



North Texas Mean Green

University of North Texas

Denton

C-USA



Rice Owls

Rice University

Houston

C-USA



SMU Mustangs

Southern Methodist University

University Park

Big East



TCU Horned Frogs

Texas Christian University

Fort Worth

Big 12



Texas Longhorns

University of Texas at Austin

Austin

Big 12



Texas A&M Aggies

Texas A&M University

College Station

SEC



Texas State Bobcats

Texas State University–San Marcos

San Marcos

Sun Belt



Texas Tech Red Raiders

Texas Tech University

Lubbock

Big 12



UTEP Miners

University of Texas at El Paso

El Paso

C-USA



UTSA Roadrunners

University of Texas at San Antonio

San Antonio

C-USA
 

Nice article by Chip. One thing that Texas has to deal with, that Minnesota doesn't, is the amount of D-I schools. here's a list form Texas. Texas



Baylor Bears

Baylor University

Waco

Big 12



Houston Cougars

University of Houston

Houston

Big East



North Texas Mean Green

University of North Texas

Denton

C-USA



Rice Owls

Rice University

Houston

C-USA



SMU Mustangs

Southern Methodist University

University Park

Big East



TCU Horned Frogs

Texas Christian University

Fort Worth

Big 12



Texas Longhorns

University of Texas at Austin

Austin

Big 12



Texas A&M Aggies

Texas A&M University

College Station

SEC



Texas State Bobcats

Texas State University–San Marcos

San Marcos

Sun Belt



Texas Tech Red Raiders

Texas Tech University

Lubbock

Big 12



UTEP Miners

University of Texas at El Paso

El Paso

C-USA



UTSA Roadrunners

University of Texas at San Antonio

San Antonio

C-USA

Great point and also why I am always skeptical when the gophers do get a player from Texas. I refuse to believe that the 300th player in Texas is better than the 15th player in Minnesota.
 




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