Chip Scoggins: In Kill's first 3 years, Gophers completed 13 passes of 40+ yards

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per Chip:

In 2004, the Gophers football team completed 13 passes that gained at least 40 yards. In three seasons under Jerry Kill, the Gophers have converted the same number of 40-yard pass plays.

So, a team that had a first-year quarterback in Bryan Cupito put up an identical number of explosive pass plays in 11 games that Kill’s crew has produced in 38 games.

Guess what has been a major point of emphasis as the team prepares for the 2014 season.

“We’ve thrown the ball a lot in camp,” Kill said.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/271475741.html

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
per Chip:

In 2004, the Gophers football team completed 13 passes that gained at least 40 yards. In three seasons under Jerry Kill, the Gophers have converted the same number of 40-yard pass plays.

So, a team that had a first-year quarterback in Bryan Cupito put up an identical number of explosive pass plays in 11 games that Kill’s crew has produced in 38 games.

Guess what has been a major point of emphasis as the team prepares for the 2014 season.

“We’ve thrown the ball a lot in camp,” Kill said.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/271475741.html

Go Gophers!!
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What Scoggins fails to mention is that the Gophers squad in 2004 only went 7-5 with a conference record of 3-5. They provided Indiana with their sole conference win that year and lost all three trophy games. I understand that having a high powered offense would be a nice luxury, but give me a slow grind it out style and conference wins any day instead.
 

Scoggins continues to do a fine job. He is not a shameless apologist, nor a tedious cynic. He is able to write frankly about the good and the bad, and this article pretty much nails both.
 

I'm a big fan of Scoggins as well...although I do think Marcus Fuller from the Pioneer Press does the best job covering the team.
 



GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
What Scoggins fails to mention is that the Gophers squad in 2004 only went 7-5 with a conference record of 3-5. They provided Indiana with their sole conference win that year and lost all three trophy games. I understand that having a high powered offense would be a nice luxury, but give me a slow grind it out style and conference wins any day instead.
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Your point is valid but you are totally missing the point of what he is trying to show with that stat. Even Limegrover who is quoted in the article talks about the need to be more explosive in this offense. It is pretty shocking to see it laid out that way in terms of how few big plays we have had in the passing game over the past 3 seasons.
 

The point Chip is missing is not the number of 40 yard completions, it the completion percentage. We have been in the low 50% or less. We do not need to throw more, nor do we need to air it out 14 times a game. What we must be able to do is be more efficient. We need to complete 60 to 65% of the passes. We must be able to convert 3rd and more than 5. We must be able to audible to a pass if there are 9 in box. What we need from the passing game is to keep the defense honest, balanced and guessing. If this team can go 12 for 18 and no picks, along with 40 rushing attempts in every game, we will be in it to win it.
 

I wonder what the stats for those type of plays against Mason's D would be? Passing game does need a major upgrade, but our pass defense is now pretty good.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Your point is valid but you are totally missing the point of what he is trying to show with that stat. Even Limegrover who is quoted in the article talks about the need to be more explosive in this offense. It is pretty shocking to see it laid out that way in terms of how few big plays we have had in the passing game over the past 3 seasons.
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Bingo!

BTW, what does MNVC stand for?
 



husker70 said:
The point Chip is missing is not the number of 40 yard completions, it the completion percentage. We have been in the low 50% or less. We do not need to throw more, nor do we need to air it out 14 times a game. What we must be able to do is be more efficient. We need to complete 60 to 65% of the passes. We must be able to convert 3rd and more than 5. We must be able to audible to a pass if there are 9 in box. What we need from the passing game is to keep the defense honest, balanced and guessing. If this team can go 12 for 18 and no picks, along with 40 rushing attempts in every game, we will be in it to win it.
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Those two things are totally related. If you have no explosive capabilities with your offense it's also much harder to keep the defense honest and complete those underneath routes.
 

Gopherprof said:
Those two things are totally related. If you have no explosive capabilities with your offense it's also much harder to keep the defense honest and complete those underneath routes.
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Depends on what you call an "explosive capability" and what the significant of a 40 yard play is. It's an arbitrary number. How many 39 yard plays were there is each group? 38? 37? 30?

A bubble screen for 20 is actually more effective than a bomb. A tight end drag for 20 is more effective than a bomb. A traditional screen is more effective. A jet sweep is more effective. Higher percentage "completion" in all cases, takes more time off the clock.

A better stat is how many 20 yard plus plays you can pull off in a game. It's the sweet spot of distance plus more time off the clock. I'd take four twenty plus plays over two 40 yard plus any day.
 

highwayman said:
Depends on what you call an "explosive capability" and what the significant of a 40 yard play is. It's an arbitrary number. How many 39 yard plays were there is each group? 38? 37? 30?

A bubble screen for 20 is actually more effective than a bomb. A tight end drag for 20 is more effective than a bomb. A traditional screen is more effective. A jet sweep is more effective. Higher percentage "completion" in all cases, takes more time off the clock.

A better stat is how many 20 yard plus plays you can pull off in a game. It's the sweet spot of distance plus more time off the clock. I'd take four twenty plus plays over two 40 yard plus any day.
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And all of the above compliment our basic formula. Play great defense, shorten the clock, and steal it late. The one thing the offense cannot do is abandon the ball possession element. Long controlled drives take the starch out of any defense. And a ground game that pounds the defense takes a toll. Defenses will quict against a running game. Not so much against a passing game. In our system, The quick strike, is fool's gold.
 

highwayman said:
Depends on what you call an "explosive capability" and what the significant of a 40 yard play is. It's an arbitrary number. How many 39 yard plays were there is each group? 38? 37? 30?

A bubble screen for 20 is actually more effective than a bomb. A tight end drag for 20 is more effective than a bomb. A traditional screen is more effective. A jet sweep is more effective. Higher percentage "completion" in all cases, takes more time off the clock.

A better stat is how many 20 yard plus plays you can pull off in a game. It's the sweet spot of distance plus more time off the clock. I'd take four twenty plus plays over two 40 yard plus any day.
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If an opponent doesn't believe your team has the ability and willingness to go long from any place on the field it is harder to be successful with bubble screens, tight end drags, traditional screens, and jet sweeps. A coach should never ignore that part of the game in his recruiting and game planning.
 



highwayman said:
Depends on what you call an "explosive capability" and what the significant of a 40 yard play is. It's an arbitrary number. How many 39 yard plays were there is each group? 38? 37? 30?
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Do you really think there were this massive amount of passes for 37-39 yards that Scroggins just swept under the rug? Did you even need to know that statistic to know that we haven't done a good job of moving the ball in the passing game?

A bubble screen for 20 is actually more effective than a bomb. A tight end drag for 20 is more effective than a bomb. A traditional screen is more effective. A jet sweep is more effective. Higher percentage "completion" in all cases, takes more time off the clock.
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Sure. But all of THOSE things are more effective if there is also the threat to go deep. The ability to complete deep passes makes literally everything else on offense easier to do as well. How is this even up for debate?

Nobody is saying we should only focus on throwing 40+ passes. But our inability to do that over the last three years has allowed teams to stack the box and hurt our intermediary passing game as well.
 

Gopherprof said:
Do you really think there were this massive amount of passes for 37-39 yards that Scroggins just swept under the rug? Did you even need to know that statistic to know that we haven't done a good job of moving the ball in the passing game?


Sure. But all of THOSE things are more effective if there is also the threat to go deep. The ability to complete deep passes makes literally everything else on offense easier to do as well. How is this even up for debate?

Nobody is saying we should only focus on throwing 40+ passes. But our inability to do that over the last three years has allowed teams to stack the box and hurt our intermediary passing game as well.
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Analysis update: 7 of Cupito's 11 40-yard plus passes were against Toledo (63-21) and Illinois (45-0).

The stat means nothing. Nothing. Arbitrary and leads to no insight.
 

husker70 said:
The point Chip is missing is not the number of 40 yard completions, it the completion percentage. We have been in the low 50% or less. We do not need to throw more, nor do we need to air it out 14 times a game. What we must be able to do is be more efficient. We need to complete 60 to 65% of the passes. We must be able to convert 3rd and more than 5. We must be able to audible to a pass if there are 9 in box. What we need from the passing game is to keep the defense honest, balanced and guessing. If this team can go 12 for 18 and no picks, along with 40 rushing attempts in every game, we will be in it to win it.
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Yep. I believe Limegrover said basically that on BTN. We don't necessarily need to throw more than we do, but we need to be more effective when we do throw the ball.
 


how many attempts beyond 35 yds?

i think the coaches call some of those shots but they are rarely completed....like 13 times but out of how many
 

Lots of arbitrary stats can be used to make any point. But in reality, the only stat that matters is W - L.

I would be perfectly fine with 5 yards per pass attempt and us going 12 and 0, but that isn't likely.

We have to be effecient in our passing attack to take the pressure off the run game. Thats 60% plus completions and a 8 plus yard per attempt average. If we do that this year we win 10 plus games.
 

booger said:
Coach Kill has never had a strong arm.
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That may be true but it appears that he is trying to change that. According to recent articles and comments, Kill is definitely trying to "strong arm" the starting date for the building of new football complex. He has stated that it needs to be started by this coming April. Kill has always been a doer and problem solver. That is good because we need somebody like him with a sense of urgency to move this project forward.:clap:
 

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