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....according to horns247 site. Have not seen this reported elsewhere but Art Briles has said he is staying at Baylor.
 

Not surprised. I think it is a great hire and he will do great things at Texas.
 

We could have had him. It's a good thing we grabbed Brewster instead.
 


Strong may have been successful and left here but would have left us in much better shape than Brewster. I still think college football is more about recruiting than it is coaching. There are some guys who just have personalities that can pull these kids in. It is much easier to win with talent and than without it. I know that is the statement of the year. However, for the most part ... that is what it comes down to. I think some schools just bring in the next guy if one guy doesn't live up to expectations because they have that much talent on their roster. We don't have that luxury at MN. We can't afford to miss on recruits and have to do a better job of coaching because we don't get the high end recruits.
 


No doubt Strong would have had better success than Brewster did. Also no doubt that he wouldn't have had the same success that he had at Louisville in the Big East. He might have gotten some of the Florida kids he got to go to Louisville to come here. He certainly wouldn't have gotten all of them.
 

Iceland12 said:
No doubt Strong would have had better success than Brewster did. Also no doubt that he wouldn't have had the same success that he had at Louisville in the Big East. He might have gotten some of the Florida kids he got to go to Louisville to come here. He certainly wouldn't have gotten all of them.
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Hard to say. No doubt he's a much better coach than Brewster and at least as good a recruiter, but the solid programs are all on the same page (which I believe we are now) from the President to the AD to the Head Coach and in retrospect, I think that was the weakness when Brewster took over the program. This isn't to dis Bruininks, Maturi, or Mason in isolation, but only to point out that they weren't of the same mind-set. Could Strong have helped right that? Maybe, but it's tough to work from the bottom up in these situations.

Good for Strong. Hope he does well in Texas.
 

I wouldn't be so sure about any news on the teasip front, just yet.
 






Strong Texas-bound — but bluster cost Longhorns a better fit

"Texas spent a year bragging it could get Nick Saban, gloated that it had “all the money that is not up at the Vatican,’’ and all the way to the very end, threw out every big name, including Jim Harbaugh, Jim Mora, Jimbo Fisher, even Jon Gruden.


It held the college football world hostage while it thumped itself on the chest and assumed it could get anyone to leave anywhere for its head-coaching job.

Turns out, Texas thinks big, but talks bigger. And then it gets Charlie Strong."

"At one point, Texas thought it could get anyone; booster Red McCombs is the one who said that Texas has all the money that isn’t at the Vatican. By the end, it seemed to be running out of options. I saw this happen once before, when Notre Dame figured it was too good of a job to pass up. Then Urban Meyer said no. And Gruden. And others."

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...saban-jim-harbaugh-jim-mora-louisville-010414
 

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Spaniel, I couldn't disagree with you more. Certainly, it's easier to coach highly gifted players to championship teams, but don't think for a moment that people like Saban and the jerk at OSU aren't great coaches. They didn't start where they are now. If you've read much about Saban he's a micro managing taskmaster at practices pretty much like Kill.
 

MNSpaniel said:
I still think college football is more about recruiting than it is coaching.
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You know, I used to think the same thing. I think of myself as older and wiser now. Brewster was the one that started to open my eyes. Talent without good coaching fails. Good coaching can make less talented teams successful. You likely need both to be elite, but the scales if importance, IMO, are slanted further to the coaching.
 




If you get a chance, read Pat Forde's column on it.
He thinks Strong is a decent recruiter and an X and O guy but he detests working with the media, working with boosters, etc etc.
IMHO it will be very interesting to see how long the Honeymoon lasts in Texas if that is the case. Boosters that aren't sucked up to, schmoozed, attend same "parties" yada yada will be the quickest to turn on someone.
 

Gopherube said:
IMHO it will be very interesting to see how long the Honeymoon lasts in Texas if that is the case. Boosters that aren't sucked up to, schmoozed, attend same "parties" yada yada will be the quickest to turn on someone.
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The honeymoon is already over for one of (if not THE) biggest boosters the Whorns have:

ESPN SA @ESPN1250 7m
Red McCombs: "I don't have any doubt Charlie is a fine coach. I think he'd probably make a fine position coach, maybe a coordinator."

I seriously doubt Joe Jamail (huge booster and Mack's buddy) is too fond of this hire, either. He's been rather outspoken of late, and it's only a matter of time until he says something about Strong.

I just hope they don't break out the bleach bombs just yet.
 

TexasAggie11 said:
The honeymoon is already over for one of (if not THE) biggest boosters the Whorns have:

ESPN SA @ESPN1250 7m
Red McCombs: "I don't have any doubt Charlie is a fine coach. I think he'd probably make a fine position coach, maybe a coordinator."

I seriously doubt Joe Jamail (huge booster and Mack's buddy) is too fond of this hire, either. He's been rather outspoken of late, and it's only a matter of time until he says something about Strong.

I just hope they don't break out the bleach bombs just yet.
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Well, Red did hire Mike Tice.
 

Sansevere Blog: Gophers could have had Strong

Joel Maturi was not horrible at his job. He did some good things during his tenure as the University of Minnesota’s athletics director. And some bad things, some really bad things.

Maturi, to his credit, was involved in bringing football back on campus with the construction of TCF Bank Stadium.

To his discredit, he hired Tim Brewster to coach the football team. Maturi chose Brewster over then-Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong.

They were the finalists for the Gophers’ job and Maturi went with Brewster. It was his greatest blunder.

http://blogs.twincities.com/sansevereshuddle/2014/01/06/gophers-could-have-had-strong/

Go Gophers!!
 

There's been mention that one or some of the U Regents were not in favor of Strong. Can someone shed some light on that?
 

Gopherube said:
If you get a chance, read Pat Forde's column on it.
He thinks Strong is a decent recruiter and an X and O guy but he detests working with the media, working with boosters, etc etc.
IMHO it will be very interesting to see how long the Honeymoon lasts in Texas if that is the case. Boosters that aren't sucked up to, schmoozed, attend same "parties" yada yada will be the quickest to turn on someone.
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I think this post sums up why Maturi went with Brewster over Strong. The PR part of the job has become increasingly important and Brewster is a walking, talking PR machine in the P.T. Barnum mode. It was truly a bad hire on the part of Maturi, who obviously put too much emphasis on the promotion part of the job, thinking Brewster (having worked with Mack Brown) would hire a solid stable of assistants to do the football part of the job. Brewster did hire some good assistants, but he couldn't keep them around.

I don't recall anything about the Regents, but who knows.
 

My recollection is that Maturi and one of the female regents fell for Brewsters BS

BleedGopher said:
Sansevere Blog: Gophers could have had Strong

Joel Maturi was not horrible at his job. He did some good things during his tenure as the University of Minnesota’s athletics director. And some bad things, some really bad things.

I don't think you could call Strong a finalist for the Gopher job because he never really got a fair and final interview before the decision to hire Brewster leaked.

Strong was brought to campus for an interview at the U the Monday that it leaked that the Gophers were going to hire Tim Brewster and they were flying Brewster in for the press conference. Pretty much Joel Maturi completely wasted his time flying him in and he was fairly pissed about it from what I remember.
Strong was identified as a quality candidate by the search firm at the time in 2006. You could say with the rush to fire Glen Mason after the bowl game Texas Tech debacle that president Robert Bruinninks decision to can coach Mason after what he deemed unprofessional behavior in front of corporate sponsers and executives from TCF that the Gophers had to rush to make a hire that was near the end of recruting season. Sounds like that Interview has been set up and the Saturday before that Joel Maturi and the female regent that pursuaded the rest of the regents and Bruinninks to let Joel Maturi make the final call on hiring Tim Brewster. There was a lady regent at the time that went to Denver with Maturi to interview Brewster and both fell in love with his sales pitch, high energy and willingness to promote the football program at the U in an effor to sell tickets.

You can pretty much sum it up to Joel wanted someone more like himself more PR and media friendly, more willingness to represent the University in a positive light and a promoter that he was convinced would sell tickets after being tired of coach Mason's reputation for disappearing to Florida in the offseason to get in some golf, letting the assistants handle most of the recruiting and offseason stuff.
We don't need to rehash the Brewster years, but you would think with the opening of a new stadium and a chance to forge the beginning legacy of the stadium that perhaps AD Maturi would have wanted someone a little more savy with X's and O's and not quite as thin a resume. He must have really bought Brewsters sales pitch that he could get him all kinds of Johnny's and Joe's four and five star recruits that would make the difference in competing for a Big 10 championship and that he would hire assistants that bring up the level of teaching, playcalling and game planning.
Brewster did have a penache for salesmenship and seemed to really believe he could recruit athletes from every where to come to Minnesota and did pitch and offer a lot of top recruits.
It has taken coach Kill and staff three full years just to dig out of the neglect, lack of academic particiapation and lack of classes of players that stayed in school, of Brewsters tenure just to make us somewhat competitive again.

To this day I kind of wonder if Brewster had been able to maintain some stability of the staff, systems and if so many kids didn't drop out, or never made it in to school if things could have been different for him. I know hindsight was 20 20 but he did get kids excited about coming to the U and seemed to really be able to get a lot of top level recruits to at least visit. His lack of knowledge of the local recruiting climate, hurt him but so did chasing so many stars in the face of dismissing many local kids that could have played for the U that ended up at places like NDSU. You look at there success and you can even trace a good chunk of quality players that were from Minnesota that ended up with NDSU that played a roll in there recentthree year run of success and to Bohls credit he took the players Brewster ignored to chase four star and five star kids in Texas and California and Florida. That was probably his biggest downfall, to use a high school analogy, he ignored many hot chicks he could have taken to the prom, in the face of models, and sports cars and women that looked pretty on the outside but either ended up dissing him or being a stuffed bra in the end of the day.
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When Teague hired Pitino, he said he was hiring the next Shaka Smart before he becomes Shaka Smart (or something to that effect). Identifying and taking a risk on an up-and-comer before the bigger programs and dollars find him.

When Brewster was hired, I kind of felt (and still feel) that Maturi was trying to do something simila. Not that Brewster was necessarily an up-and-comer, but trying to think outside the box because staying inside the box for 40 years hadn't worked. It failed. But that's the nature of thinking outside the box and taking risks -- when it works you look like a genius and when it doesn't you look like a colossal buffoon.
 

Strong is already making an impact on recruiting for t.u.:

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^^^ interesting - 247Sports has him decommitted since mid-November.
 


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