Can't Tubby recruit a pure PG?

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Welch is a combo guard. Andre Hollins plays more like a SG. Is Tubby having a tough time recruiting PGs for his system? :confused:
 


The "Pure Point Guard' died with short shorts. Lewis Jackson is the only one in the Big Ten, and it is because he is 5'5''.
 


There are not too many Eric Harris/Al Nolen type of point guards anymore. Most are scorers.
 


I wouldn't want a combo guard running the show like Kalin Lucas, Jimmer Fredette, Frazier or Battle from Penn State, Evan Turner....ect.

In no way shape or form am I saying anybody is the equal player to anybody. Just saying get the best players, regardless of if they fit some lame definition of what a "true PG" is.
 


Taylor is one of the 'true' point guards in the game, a 'quarterback' with 'as needed' scoring ability.
 




Maybe it's just me, but when I hear the phrase "combo guard," what it says to me is:

not really a good enough ball-handler to be a full-time point guard, and not big or athletic enough to be a full-time shooting guard. In other words, a guy who's not ideally suited for either role.

I think point guard is the most important position on the court (just look at what happened when Nolen went out), and the idea of going with a "combo guard" at the point worries me. And that gets back to the original question - why can't Tubby seem to recruit a true point guard? I can't answer that one. And for what it's worth, I don't see Maverick as the answer - maybe with a little more experience, he might be a decent backup, but if he's the starting point guard next year, that would scare the bleep out of me.
 

I think you have to at least give Hollins/Welch a season to guage whether they're actually capable of being a true point guard or not.
 

From the Barn said:
The "Pure Point Guard' died with short shorts. Lewis Jackson is the only one in the Big Ten, and it is because he is 5'5''.
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I think Craft fits that description. But I don't think it really matters whether or not we have a true point guard. What the 2011 Gophers lacked was a guy to handle the ball to get Hoff away from the ball, and most importantly, a guy to break people down off the dribble at the end of the shot clock. I think Welch and Hollins will be pretty much interchangeable at point guard, and that could be an advantage to have.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Maybe it's just me, but when I hear the phrase "combo guard," what it says to me is:

not really a good enough ball-handler to be a full-time point guard, and not big or athletic enough to be a full-time shooting guard. In other words, a guy who's not ideally suited for either role.

I think point guard is the most important position on the court (just look at what happened when Nolen went out), and the idea of going with a "combo guard" at the point worries me. And that gets back to the original question - why can't Tubby seem to recruit a true point guard? I can't answer that one. And for what it's worth, I don't see Maverick as the answer - maybe with a little more experience, he might be a decent backup, but if he's the starting point guard next year, that would scare the bleep out of me.
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I don't think athletism has anything to do with the designation as pgs are some of the most athletic players on the floor.
A combo guard is a pg that can score but doesn't have the stature to be bumped over to the 2.
I don't think the use of a combo guard as a pg presents a problem unless they are strictly a shoot first player. A well rounded combo guard that gets his points in the flow of the offense should have no problem leading a team.
I think I'm seeing this combo guard title in a slightly different light than most here on GH. The name itself signifies the ability to competently do multiple things. This team doesn't need another repeat of this year where everyone had a certain skill set and role in the offense. They need players that can drive, shoot, and pass all in one. That player was sorely lacking from this team.
 



Morris and Taylor score way too much to fit the standard definition of "Pure Point Guard'. Both are their team's number one scoring option, with apologies to Mr. Hardaway and Mr. Leuer. Craft does fit, but I wonder if it has more to do with his position or the lack of shots available on his team.
 

What bothers me is next year will be year #4 for Tubby and he has not one guard ready for BT play.
 

Believe you are making two points1) can they handle the ball? 2) can they run the offense.
I think the fact both of these kids are really bright argues the running the offense issue is probably not a big issue. As far as ball handling goes, we got the ball up the floor for the last month with few ball handling skills, they can get the ball up the floor.
 

Just give me three guys in the lineup who can handle.I do believe Tubby is hungup on having one main ball handler.Even though he can't seem to recruit one.I think Welch and Andre Hollins will and should both start next year.To me that means we still could use another backup combo guard.
 

cjcarter8 said:
I don't think athletism has anything to do with the designation as pgs are some of the most athletic players on the floor.
A combo guard is a pg that can score but doesn't have the stature to be bumped over to the 2.
I don't think the use of a combo guard as a pg presents a problem unless they are strictly a shoot first player. A well rounded combo guard that gets his points in the flow of the offense should have no problem leading a team.
I think I'm seeing this combo guard title in a slightly different light than most here on GH. The name itself signifies the ability to competently do multiple things. This team doesn't need another repeat of this year where everyone had a certain skill set and role in the offense. They need players that can drive, shoot, and pass all in one. That player was sorely lacking from this team.
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That's exactly my definition as well. I would call a guy like Nolen and Eric Harris a pure point guard type. The role of the PG for many years was to handle the ball, set up his teammates for good shots, and play good defense. More than ever, point guards are scorers too. The position has evolved a lot in the past 20 or so years.

I would say a guy like Jordan Taylor is a "combo guard" because he can do the things a #1 and a #2 traditionally can do. Handle the ball, be a good assist man, play solid defense, and shoot the ball well.
 

Point guard is a player that can control the ball, finish drive, pass off the dribble and shoot off the dribble. If the point guards number one assest is that he can play defense, move to the next one.
 

Pure point guard.

Not sure a pure point guard would make this team better.

Look at our offensive play book

Play #1 bring ball into front court, dribble for 28 seconds, Force up a contested shot, go play D.

Play #2 bring ball into front court, everyone stand around, pass to wing, feed post, stand some more force up shot, go play D.

Play #3 bring ball up, wait for low post player to cut to high post, feed him the ball, when the big cant throw inside feed back and run pick and roll. Go back and play D.

That is the Gopher Offense which is sad. Give me a scorer at the point so when everyone is standing around at the least he can get his own shot.
 

cjcarter8 said:
I don't think athletism has anything to do with the designation as pgs are some of the most athletic players on the floor.
A combo guard is a pg that can score but doesn't have the stature to be bumped over to the 2.
I don't think the use of a combo guard as a pg presents a problem unless they are strictly a shoot first player. A well rounded combo guard that gets his points in the flow of the offense should have no problem leading a team.
I think I'm seeing this combo guard title in a slightly different light than most here on GH. The name itself signifies the ability to competently do multiple things. This team doesn't need another repeat of this year where everyone had a certain skill set and role in the offense. They need players that can drive, shoot, and pass all in one. That player was sorely lacking from this team.[/QUOTE]

So, so true. Can't agree more.
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We need a point guard who can do everything. We need shooting guards who never miss a shot. We need big men who get every rebound and put up and score on every possession. We need fans who know everything. We need commentors on the GopherHole who know everything. We need GOD!!! Or for the sake of khaliq, We need Allah.
 

WolfontheProwl said:
Not sure a pure point guard would make this team better.

Look at our offensive play book

Play #1 bring ball into front court, dribble for 28 seconds, Force up a contested shot, go play D.

Play #2 bring ball into front court, everyone stand around, pass to wing, feed post, stand some more force up shot, go play D.

Play #3 bring ball up, wait for low post player to cut to high post, feed him the ball, when the big cant throw inside feed back and run pick and roll. Go back and play D.

That is the Gopher Offense which is sad. Give me a scorer at the point so when everyone is standing around at the least he can get his own shot.
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You have it down pat. However, you forgot the end of the game timeout play.
 

Dr.Don said:
We need a point guard who can do everything. We need shooting guards who never miss a shot. We need big men who get every rebound and put up and score on every possession. We need fans who know everything. We need commentors on the GopherHole who know everything. We need GOD!!! Or for the sake of khaliq, We need Allah.
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You think that would put us in the top 4 of the Big Ten? Not a chance. :rolleyes:
 

Tubby said on his radio program last night that he was leaning towards running an offense that featured two combo guards, as opposed to a true PG/SG offense. I suppose he says this because combo guards are all he'll have next year. But, he specifically mentioned that Andre Hollins and "a commitment I can't talk about (Welch)" are both combo guys and he envisions them both having ability to bring the ball up the floor and run the offense, as well as shoot and score.
 

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