Boise vs Wis.

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I flipped on Boise/Fresno last night and the announcers were discussing the BCS. They were talking about how Fresno's coach said he would rather play Wisconsin 100 times rather than Boise at alll. They also quoted him as saying Boise would beat Wisconsin by 3 TD's. I bet he wouldn't have made the comments if Wisky was on the schedule in the near future.
 


I agree that Boise is as good as any team in the county, but to say that ANY team would beat Wisconsin by 21 points is lunacy. Boise has a very good defense, but there is no way Wisky would not run on them for 250+ and grind it out. If they played 10 times, I would not be surprised if they split 5-5
 

overrated Boise

I flipped on Boise/Fresno last night and the announcers were discussing the BCS. They were talking about how Fresno's coach said he would rather play Wisconsin 100 times rather than Boise at alll. They also quoted him as saying Boise would beat Wisconsin by 3 TD's. I bet he wouldn't have made the comments if Wisky was on the schedule in the near future.

Could Boise beat Wisconsin? Yes. However, I have watched a lot of Boise's games this year, and I would take one of the top Big Ten teams everytime if I was a betting man. It sounds like a lot of what we all heard last year before the bowls with UW vs. Miami, and OSU vs. Oregon, etc. I refuse to believe that they could get through the Big Ten, SEC, or Big 12 with unblemished records.
This discussion may be moot however, as a lot of experts have Boise playing either UW or OSU in a BSC bowl this year.
 

upset watch

Wisky could play poorly today. They still should win but don't be shocked if its really close. Last game at home for Michigan, lots of pressure on Rich Rod. BY the way, am I the only one who thinks playing off campus like the two games today are ridiculous?
 


Wisky could play poorly today. They still should win but don't be shocked if its really close. Last game at home for Michigan, lots of pressure on Rich Rod. BY the way, am I the only one who thinks playing off campus like the two games today are ridiculous?

- Boise could beat Wisconsin but by 21? Pat Hill is speaking from experience. Wisconsin's Offense didn't exactly light-up Fresno State in their games and Boise State certainly has rang them up quite a few times. They beat the Bulldogs by 51 last night. He also will have to play Boise State a heck of a lot more then he'll have to play the Sconnies!

- Nope. While the Wrigley Field game turned out to be a bad idea at least it's in the neighborhood for Northwestern. You can also make an argument that it's a neutral rivalry site game like the Red River Classic, Il/MO being played in St. Louis or Georgia/Florida being played in Jacksonville.

Penn State buying a Home Game from Indiana is more insidious, $3 million dollars worth. Did they even try to get it played at Lucas Oil? Fed Ex isn't anywhere near Indy or it's recruiting areas is it? Nope, Penn State not only gets an extra conference home game they got the Redskins to buy it for them! People complained about a 9 game conference schedule because some teams will get five home games and some will get four. Here's a case of Penn State getting five and Indy getting three.
 

I honestly think Boise would have two, three losses a year iof they played an SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big Ten schedule. They remind me of Brigham Young in their WAC glory days - their national championship team had to struggle to win a bowl game against a Michigan team that wasn't much above .500 that year.
 

I agree that Boise is as good as any team in the county, but to say that ANY team would beat Wisconsin by 21 points is lunacy. Boise has a very good defense, but there is no way Wisky would not run on them for 250+ and grind it out. If they played 10 times, I would not be surprised if they split 5-5

Gopherbadgerman...you are at it again. To say, "there is no way Wisky would not run on them for 250+" is completely preposterous. Going into this week, Wisconsin AVERAGES 228 yards per game on the ground. Meanwhile, Boise State allows 75 yards per game rushing. I will repeat that for you because I feel sometimes you need things repeated to fully comprehend them. 75 yards per game on the ground. They held Virginia Tech to 128 yards. Curious to know what VaTech averages on the ground? Glad you asked, 208 yards per game.

Sorry to rain on your parade of preposterousness and let actual numbers enter into the conversation.

Now, would Boise beat Wisconsin by 21? That is a tall order and I doubt it, so we have some common ground. I certainly would love to see it though. To say there is NO WAY they would not run for 250+ is just plain ignorant.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2010/Internet/ranking_summary/DIVISIONB.HTML
 

People that underestimate Boise are foolish. They would have won the Big Ten the last two season IMO.
 



I honestly think Boise would have two, three losses a year iof they played an SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big Ten schedule. They remind me of Brigham Young in their WAC glory days - their national championship team had to struggle to win a bowl game against a Michigan team that wasn't much above .500 that year.

If Boise plays WI in the Rose Bowl you will see how wrong you are.
 

Gopherbadgerman...you are at it again. To say, "there is no way Wisky would not run on them for 250+" is completely preposterous. Going into this week, Wisconsin AVERAGES 228 yards per game on the ground. Meanwhile, Boise State allows 75 yards per game rushing. I will repeat that for you because I feel sometimes you need things repeated to fully comprehend them. 75 yards per game on the ground. They held Virginia Tech to 128 yards. Curious to know what VaTech averages on the ground? Glad you asked, 208 yards per game.

Sorry to rain on your parade of preposterousness and let actual numbers enter into the conversation.

Now, would Boise beat Wisconsin by 21? That is a tall order and I doubt it, so we have some common ground. I certainly would love to see it though. To say there is NO WAY they would not run for 250+ is just plain ignorant.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2010/Internet/ranking_summary/DIVISIONB.HTML

You could be right - Wisky rushed for almost 200 on OSU and well over 150 against MSU so they have run the ball against good defenses...it was my opinion. Sorry you took offense.

My main point was to say that no one in the nation should be a 21 point favorite over the Badgers. I think Boise and Wisky are pretty even and either could beat each other, but 21 points? Talk about ignorant.
 

Boise scares me. While I agree with those who say Boise would probably not be undefeated playing in a Big 10 season, a bowl game isn't a season - it is one game and Boise is good at getting up for one game. It is a well coached (and well rested) team.
 

This, in my mind, is the real issue with the BCS. You just don't know. How good is Boise? Or TCU? IMHO, it's all speculation because they only play a few real games all year. If they are allowed to challenge for the national title, I think they need at least a two game format. Ideally, top 8.

I know, I'm off-topic. But these questions all arise because it's not played out on the field. If the system will allow a team that plays in a nothing conference (including the Big East) to make it to the title game, they need to ensure they belong with a round or two of playoffs.
 



If Boise doesn't make the NC game, I would love to see them beat the hell out of becky. Robert Smith on ESPN said they would win by 2-3 TDs
 


Wisconsin would beat Boise 7 times out of ten....and 3 of those times would be by multiple scores.

People claiming Boise could win by 3 scores, when is the last time Boise beat ANY BCS conference team by 3 scores and how many times have they done it?

Twice
2004 against a 7-5 Oregon State team. 2002 in a Bowl Game against Iowa State (who finished in the bottom half of the Big 12).


Anybody who thinks that Boise State could beat ANY team in the top 3 of the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, ACC, or Big 12 by three scores needs to lay off the sauce.
 

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Right now Arizona is the 3rd place team in the PAC 10. Puke, they are terrible. If Boise plaed at Arizona they would be about 6-9 pt favorites. 12 on a neutral field and 15 at home. Just my opinion.

Also, my opinion is no matter where the game is played, Boise State would beat Arizona by 21+ points.
 

I agree that Boise is as good as any team in the county, but to say that ANY team would beat Wisconsin by 21 points is lunacy. Boise has a very good defense, but there is no way Wisky would not run on them for 250+ and grind it out. If they played 10 times, I would not be surprised if they split 5-5

Everytime i see anything you write I wonder if you actually are a gophers fan. You talk up the badgers and hawkeyes like they are gods. If your a fan of both or all 3 I think most gopher fans would not even want you as one of our fans
 

Everytime i see anything you write I wonder if you actually are a gophers fan. You talk up the badgers and hawkeyes like they are gods. If your a fan of both or all 3 I think most gopher fans would not even want you as one of our fans

He claims to be a fan of Gopher BB and Badger FB which, if true, means he is not to be taken seriously as a fan. If not true, and he is actually just a Badger lover (more likely), he is worthy of even more disdain than the average Vadger fan.
 

He claims to be a fan of Gopher BB and Badger FB which, if true, means he is not to be taken seriously as a fan. If not true, and he is actually just a Badger lover (more likely), he is worthy of even more disdain than the average Vadger fan.

I am a badger FB fan and a MN BB fan. Check out my posts on the BB board if you think I am just trying to stir the pot. I actually get good responses there, unlike here where I just get insults. No Matter though.

Also a previous poster says I talk up the Hawkeyes - I coulld care less about them and I think they are the 4th best team in the B10.

Back the OP topic - IMO the Badgers are better than Boise. There is a chance they could play in the Rose Bowl, which would be awesome. If Boise beats the Badgers by 21+ in the Rose Bowl, I will say nothing positive about the Wisky program for a year on this board. If the Badgers win, I will be all over it.

Who are you to decide who is taken seriously as a fan anyway? :D
 

Everytime i see anything you write I wonder if you actually are a gophers fan. You talk up the badgers and hawkeyes like they are gods. If your a fan of both or all 3 I think most gopher fans would not even want you as one of our fans

Dont like Iowa. Respect the program, but could care less about them. I have been a huge booster of the BB program since 1998 - giving money every year and buying hundreds of tickets. I would like it if the FB team was good, but save a couple years under Mase the program has been in the dumps...
 

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Right now Arizona is the 3rd place team in the PAC 10. Puke, they are terrible. If Boise plaed at Arizona they would be about 6-9 pt favorites. 12 on a neutral field and 15 at home. Just my opinion.

Also, my opinion is no matter where the game is played, Boise State would beat Arizona by 21+ points.

Maybe you are correct. The depth at the top of conferences is not all equal.
A list of teams that Boise Couldn't beat by 3 scores
Va Tech
Miami
Florida State
Florida
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
South Carolina
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Michigan State
Penn State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Missouri
Nebraska
Stanford
Oregon


Did I miss anyone?
 

Well Boise will get their chance to put big points up on someone in a BCS Bowl Game. Considering their largest bowl game victory since 2003 is 7 it will be interesting. That was against TCU. Boise is a good team, the have beaten most of the schools from AQ conferences they have played in recent years, but most have been close games that both teams were in until the end. Its a stretch to think they will beat any BCS level team by 21. Please show me one BCS game in the past 5 years that has opened with a spread that large.
 

Maybe you are correct. The depth at the top of conferences is not all equal.
A list of teams that Boise Couldn't beat by 3 scores
Va Tech
Miami
Florida State
Florida
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
South Carolina
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Michigan State
Penn State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Missouri
Nebraska
Stanford
Oregon


Did I miss anyone?

I don't really want to play this game, but I will for a little bit. Penn State was rolled by 20 points at home against Illinois. Boise would run circles around Penn State. PSU's offense would do nothing against Boise. PSU vs. Boise would be a rout from start to finish.

Miami? Really. There is a fair chance Boise would hang 50 on them. Could Miami score 4 td's to keep it within 21?

Mizzou? Not buying them either. The only beat Iowa State 14-0 with ISU's backup QB playing.

If any of these games are actually in Boise, then a 3td win is easily within the realm of possibility.

All of that being said, Boise could go on the road and struggle at Nevada on Friday night. I for one will be tuned in to see what happens.
 

Well Boise will get their chance to put big points up on someone in a BCS Bowl Game. Considering their largest bowl game victory since 2003 is 7 it will be interesting. That was against TCU. Boise is a good team, the have beaten most of the schools from AQ conferences they have played in recent years, but most have been close games that both teams were in until the end. Its a stretch to think they will beat any BCS level team by 21. Please show me one BCS game in the past 5 years that has opened with a spread that large.

Good points Silvio. I think this year's Boise team is different because of their defense.

I do not think we are discussing 21 point spreads, rather final scores. Of course BCS games are not going to have spreads that large. What was Florida vs. Cincinnati last year? Even though Cincinnati was unbeaten, that was a mismatch on paper. Trying to come up with other BCS mismatches off the top of my head (Probably will involve a lot of Big East teams). Georgia vs. Hawaii, Utah vs. Pitt, what else?
 

Stan the Caddy-

What do you think Boise's record would be this year if they played a B10 conference schedule?

Count me as someone who thinks Boise would lose 2-4 games if they played a B10/SEC/Pac10/B12 conference sched.
 

"Boise would beat Wisconsin by 3 TD's"

Bull*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# they would
 

Stan the Caddy-

What do you think Boise's record would be this year if they played a B10 conference schedule?

Count me as someone who thinks Boise would lose 2-4 games if they played a B10/SEC/Pac10/B12 conference sched.

+1
 

I hate the badgers but to an almost unhealthy degree, but with the way they are playing right now, I don't think there is a team in college football who could beat them by 3 tds.

Boise St didn't beat Oregon St. by 3 TDs and Wisconsin is a much better team than Oregon St. (or Virginia Tech for that matter). I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a good game, but Boise St. is not head and shoulders better than the best teams in the Big 10 (Sconny, tOSU, MSU, and even Iowa).
 

Make no mistake Boise State is a good team.

But, where they have the advantage is they don't have to be at their best each week and can still contend for a BCS bowl game. If you want to be in a BCS game out of the Big Ten, then you better be at or near your best every week. Mid-level Big Ten teams have enough talent to upset top level teams in that league (even moreso in SEC). Mid-level teams in the WAC have NO SHOT at beating the top teams.

I'm in the camp that thinks Boise would not win the Big Ten. They can play one or two games tough against high quality opponents with ample time to rest and get healthy as evidenced by their bowl success. But the grind of an entire Big Ten conference schedule would eventually wear them out. They don't have the depth nor the overall talent level to keep competing at a high enough level to contend for a conference title in the Big Ten or SEC. I'm not even convinced Boise would win the Mountain West with the likes of TCU, Utah, BYU, etc (we'll soon find out).

It is one thing to play Nevada, Utah State, Hawaii, Lousiana Tech, Idaho and Fresno in consecutive weeks as Boise State gets to do.

It is absolutely, positively something entirely different to play a schedule like say - Penn State, for example: @IA, Illinois, @MN, Michigan, Northwestern, @Ohio State, @Indiana, Michigan State (throw in PSU's game @Alabama and Boise State playing that schedule is more likely to be playing in the Insight Bowl in Phoenix, not the Fiesta Bowl in Phoenix).

And, don't even get started on normal schedule in the SEC. Boise would probably hover around a .500 conference record if it had to play Dan Mullen's conference schedule at Mississippi State this year: Auburn, @LSU, Georgia, @Florida, Kentucky, @Alabama, Arkansas, @Ole Miss.
 




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