Blog from a B12 rube on UT to BT

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http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/15/being-bill-powers/


Interesting, if longwinded read. The author is a bit of a big12 rube. The world does not revolve around B12 football in general and TX football in particular. He brings up a good point, though, that politically (in TX, anyway) it will be very difficult to separate UT & TAMU. 'Horn fans would insist on keeping the rivalry with Oklahoma, too, but that could be a protected OOC game, like scUM & MSU have every year with nd.

But it doesn't do the B10 much good to go from 11 teams to 13. Where I disagree with him is if the BT were going to go up to 14 the 14th team would be Pitt, Rutgers, or nd long before they'd invite Missouri or Baylor.

He also makes a good point that this may be a blinking game, with noone wanting to make the first move. CU to the pac10 makes sense, though. The guy did his homework on the research dollars, which will influence the decision on which team joins. Our medical school probably gets more grant money than all of Nebraska (or OU) combined.

P.S. I apologize if this was already posted, but I didn't see it when I checked.
 

Why are Texas and Tex A&M joined at the hip? At first I was pretty sour on letting Texas into the Big 10 but I'm starting to warm up to the idea. If they did join it would really boost the national perception of the league. Which maybe isn't a reason to do it on its own but having a conference championship game seems to be the goal as well and I'm betting a team like Texas joins before we kick Penn State out or U Chicago starts football up again. However, I'd be opposed to it if A&M had to come and we added another team to make some kind of super league. Maybe a 12 or 14 team league is semantics but 14, especially for football seems massive and unwieldy.
 

Half the season is a leadup to the Texas - Texas A&M game in Texas. When I lived in Dallas you never really heard anything about the Texas - Oklahoma game prior to the week of the game. All season long you heard about the A&M game.
 

Ah ok, so its just the rivalry? I thought maybe there was some kind of state government deal. Couldn't the A&M game be a non conference game too? I suppose that makes a pretty rough non conference schedule.
 

Ah ok, so its just the rivalry? I thought maybe there was some kind of state government deal. Couldn't the A&M game be a non conference game too? I suppose that makes a pretty rough non conference schedule.

I'm sure politics play a role too. What kind of role I have no idea since I don't live there. I have a fraternity brother visiting this weekend who lives in Austin and who is a pretty big college FB fan...I'll see if he can shine some light on the dynamic (assuming I remember while we're drinking).
 


My Dad taught at TAMU for nearly 20 years, so I'm very familiar with the rivalry and tradition (sadly, that bonfire collapse was just outside his office). This rivalry is a huge deal down in TX, and as the blogger said, pizzing off the wrong people in the Austin statehouse could backfire come funding time. The UT-TAMU rivalry is sort of like the MSU-scUM instate rivalry. I think its actually bigger for TAMU, much like for Spartans beating Meechigan makes or breaks their season. For the skunkbears, though, the MSU contest is a sideshow to the tOSU game. I work with some people who are Longhorns, and I think a lot of them would rather beat Oklahoma. Especially since for most of the last 10+ years OU has been dominant, and the aggies have been, well, like us.

OTOH, when the Big 8 joined the Big 12, they broke up the storied OU-Nebraska rivalry, and I think now they only play every other year. So nothing is completely sacred. Chances are UT would be more willing to scrap the TAMU game than the Aggies would. It would be a political minefield, though.

P.S. Going to an Aggie game at Kyle field is one of the highlights of college football. Incredible band. That whole army motif (it was a requirement to be ROTC @ TAMU up until about the 1960-70's) thing about knowing how to march comes in handy. Some of their formations and interweaving blows you away. The 12th man tradition (which is different than the Vikings') is pretty cool, too. Everyone stands for the entire game. Don't know if they still do this, but when my Dad was there the kickoff coverage team was all walk-ons. They were all maniacs. At the time they had never given up a kickoff runback for a TD.
 

Ah ok, so its just the rivalry? I thought maybe there was some kind of state government deal. Couldn't the A&M game be a non conference game too? I suppose that makes a pretty rough non conference schedule.

It is a little more than the rivalry as UT and A&M are also tied together by what is called the Permanent University Fund. It is a multi-billion dollar fund that was created by the legislature over 50 years ago that distributes significant revenue to the schools that is funded by oil and gas royalties. UT gets 2/3 of it and 1/3 goes to A&M. If the legislature feels that A&M would be harmed by being left behind by UT they could definitely hold this over their head or even threaten to reallocate more of this money to A&M.
 

Sorry this is long and not totally organized but I've been thinking about this and researching it for a while and I just started typing. Consider it like reading a blog by Grunkiejr.

GopherGod has it. Texas and aTm are tied at the hip because of funding from the state. It starts with Texas Governor Rick Perry being an alumnus of Texas A&M and continues in to their state legislature. There is enough aTm political influence in Texas that they would make it difficult for the Longhorn's to make a unilateral move to another conference. This was evidenced in 1993-94 when the SWC was folding and Texas started looking around for other conferences. From what I understand it was made clear to Texas that it would impact their funding if the didn't bring little brother along with them. Texas & aTm asked about joining the Big Ten but we had a moratorium on expansion due to the recent addition of Penn State. Next they went to the PAC 10 who was willing to take on Texas but Stanford vetoed the addition of aTm. Rather than joining the Pac 10 w/out aTm, Texas bowed to political influence that was working behind the scenes to bring Baylor & Texas Tech along with the two bigger in-state schools to bolt on to the Big 8, forming the Big 12. This left Houston, Rice, TCU, and SMU beyond because they didn't have the crowds or the political clout of the other 4 schools.

I personally believe the Texas and Big Ten pairing are perfect outside of the aTm connection.
1. They are considering starting up a UT Cable Network across Texas just like the BTN but that start-up is a lot of risk whereas the BTN has already fought those battles and proven success so we're a good match. Plus, a UT Network wouldn't get access to show Texas football making it an even riskier proposition.
2. Even though Texas gets a disproportionate amount of of Big 12 TV revenue (based on nationally televised games) joining the Big 10 and sharing proportionately would still increase their overall revenues based on current contracts. Expanding the BTN would make that even greater.
3. Joining the Big Ten would grant Texas admittance to the Consortium of Institutional Cooperation (CIC) which is the Big Ten Conference Members + U of Chicago. Being a CIC member would help them access federal research grants (they struggle federally and most of their grant money is state or private).
4. Texas isn't struggling for academic prestige but between #3 (increased research $) and joining a conference with much better academics than Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, etc it puts them in a better academic light.

For the Big Ten:
1. Texas guarantees distribution of the BTN to the Texas markets. The only non-Big Ten schools with a fanbase like Texas are USC (not happening) and Notre Dame (national fanbase so adding them doesn't ensure incremental distribution the way adding Texas ensures distribution in Texas)
2. Adds a premier research university that is already a member of the American Association of Universities.
3. Adds a powerhouse program to help the prestige of the conference.
4. Adds fertile recruiting grounds to the conference.

I think if it was just up to Texas and the Big Ten, we would have our 12 member. However, for reasons alredy discussed that probably isn't possible so the question becomes whether adding aTm is a dealbreaker for the Big Ten. aTm doesn't detract from the conference (good academic institution, decent athletic programs) but how much does aTm dilute the added profitability that Texas brings for the conference.

Personally, I think the numbers probably still make sense with aTm in the picture so I wouldn't be surprised to see us add both Texas, aTm and a third team to be a 14 team conference. In my mind the candidates for the third school are Missouri, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Rutgers and Syracuse. Each brings a new market for the BTN (Pitt doesn't bring a new market so I don't think they make sense) except Notre Dame who doesn't bring 1 direct market but hopefully allows the BTN to charge more to the cable companies for adding the sports package in non-Big Ten Markets.

Before anybody says Notre Dame will never happen I would like to point out that the Notre Dame athletic dept is the #14 money maker in college sports (much lower than most people would guess considering the NBC contract). Times have changed since ND turned the Big Ten down 10 years ago and now our TV contracts and the BTN are much more valuable than what ND has. The Athletic Dept at Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin all bring in more money than ND and Iowa is actually ranked 15th on the money list, one spot behind ND. We can offer them much more money than they currently make but the question is how much value do they place on the adoration that NBC pours upon them for 7 Saturdays each fall. Notre Dame could easily become member #12 or member #14 w/ UT & aTm if they choose based upon the numbers.

If ND doesn't happen I'm not sure who would be #2 choice. Nebraska is the next highest prestige in football and would create a good rival for Iowa but they bring a small tv market, weak non-football athletics and they would be the weakest academic institution in the conference. Mizzou is interesting because St. Louis is actually a split-market w/ Illinois but they should add KC. Mizzou has never been a football power and they have been better in basketball but inconsistent over time. It is a better academic institution than Nebraska but would still be the worst in the conference. Rutgers or Syracuse could arguably help bring the NY market but it isn't a foregone conclusion. Both are good academic schools that fit in with the conference but neither brings great athletic programs to the table with the exception of Syracuse basketball (and historically football but they are the most similar to Minnesota in terms of past success that may not ever be recreated again).
 




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