Black day for the Big Ten

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On the other hand, Kill doesn't have to do THAT much to get us into play in this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty conference! LOL
 


grunkiejr said:
Who cares if we take some lumps as a conference. I only care that the Big Ten still has the Rose Bowl tie in if we ever make it.
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Yep...and to that end it only matters that the Big Ten travels well. And it looks like WI did travel well this year. I'd like to see TCU kill Wisconsin in front of 70,000 Badger fans.
 

I actually do not mind Michigan State getting it handed to them today. They were finally exposed for the complete frauds they were all year.
 


Stan The Caddy said:
I actually do not mind Michigan State getting it handed to them today. They were finally exposed for the complete frauds they were all year.
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Disagree. A win against Alabama would have been huge for the B1G and it national reputation, which would have positively impacted B1G BCS bowl bids. Wait until next year when the B1G gets screwed in bowl selections and everyone is bitching about how the B1G is getting screwed. Well, when you get embarrassed in all your bowl games, people are going to think that your conference is a joke and it is hard to disagree.
 


There are exceptions, but I will generally root for the B10 over the SEC on principle. It gets really old hearing everybody always bragging on how great the SEC is.
 

I get the rivalries and not wanting to see Wisconsin win. I dislike them as much as anyone.

That being said, I live outside Big Ten country and work with high school football players, many of whom go on to play at the D-1 level. If you think that the conference's yearly poor showing in bowl games doesn't have an impact on Minnesota's recruiting, you are dead wrong.
 



The 12th Man said:
I get the rivalries and not wanting to see Wisconsin win. I dislike them as much as anyone.

That being said, I live outside Big Ten country and work with high school football players, many of whom go on to play at the D-1 level. If you think that the conference's yearly poor showing in bowl games doesn't have an impact on Minnesota's recruiting, you are dead wrong.
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Amen
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
Disagree. A win against Alabama would have been huge for the B1G and it national reputation, which would have positively impacted B1G BCS bowl bids. Wait until next year when the B1G gets screwed in bowl selections and everyone is bitching about how the B1G is getting screwed. Well, when you get embarrassed in all your bowl games, people are going to think that your conference is a joke and it is hard to disagree.
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The first 2011 preposterous statement nominee.

You cannot be serious, can you?

Sure, a win against Bama would look good, but get real. Michigan State was awful and they were exposed. BCS at-large bids are given out based on overall record and when teams are close in consideration, how many fans will travel is the deciding factor. BT fans travel to BCS games, so they will continue to get at large bids.
 

The 12th Man said:
I get the rivalries and not wanting to see Wisconsin win. I dislike them as much as anyone.

That being said, I live outside Big Ten country and work with high school football players, many of whom go on to play at the D-1 level. If you think that the conference's yearly poor showing in bowl games doesn't have an impact on Minnesota's recruiting, you are dead wrong.
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Do you mean how the SEC had a whopping 14-12 record against the Big Ten this decade before today? Maybe these kids should do their own homework instead of putting so much stock into what Jesse Palmer says.
 

The 12th Man said:
I get the rivalries and not wanting to see Wisconsin win. I dislike them as much as anyone.

That being said, I live outside Big Ten country and work with high school football players, many of whom go on to play at the D-1 level. If you think that the conference's yearly poor showing in bowl games doesn't have an impact on Minnesota's recruiting, you are dead wrong.
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If you say who you are (which I HIGHLY doubt), then you are pretty bad at your job, both in analysis and performance. If a kid bases which school he goes to on what conference they are in and how the other teams in that conference do in bowl games, he is a dumsh!t.

If you base your school choice on the team you will play for and the standards of education and potential future employment, you go to a Big 10 school.

Otherwise, you are a dumsh!t.

Award for post with biggest lie and worst analysis for 2011.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
Do you mean how the SEC had a whopping 14-12 record against the Big Ten this decade before today? Maybe these kids should do their own homework instead of putting so much stock into what Jesse Palmer says.
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Yes, they should. Reality: They don't.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Do you mean how the SEC had a whopping 14-12 record against the Big Ten this decade before today? Maybe these kids should do their own homework instead of putting so much stock into what Jesse Palmer says.
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How many national championships does the SEC have compared to the Big Ten in the last five years? That is what really matters. Who beat who in the toilet bowl doesn't matter, but who won the national championship does.
 

Stan The Caddy said:
The first 2011 preposterous statement nominee.

You cannot be serious, can you?

Sure, a win against Bama would look good, but get real. Michigan State was awful and they were exposed. BCS at-large bids are given out based on overall record and when teams are close in consideration, how many fans will travel is the deciding factor. BT fans travel to BCS games, so they will continue to get at large bids.
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When it comes to BCS rankings, strength of schedule is a factor in determining rankings. All big ten teams are going to come out on the short end of the stick based on the fact that the Big Ten got beat in every bowl game that mattered this year. Do you really think that does not play a role in rankings? If you do then I guess there is not much more to discuss. Also, everyone keeps talking about the fan base traveling; it sure seemed like TCU's fan base traveled well.
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
How many national championships does the SEC have compared to the Big Ten in the last five years? That is what really matters. Who beat who in the toilet bowl doesn't matter, but who won the national championship does.
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So everything that happened yesterday didn't matter. Thanks for proving my point.
 

I see no crisis in this, sorry. If it happened several years ina row maybe.
I could never figure out how MSU got that record and I still can't. Iowa absolutely destroyed them in a game they should have been ready to play. They were overmatched because they were simply not that good.
The PSU and NW games were winnable, and Wisconsin had to lose it. No way Wisky loses if they keep pounding the hell out of them all game. They had 50 pounds per man across the front, and those guys are good linemen.
I'm not proud of it, but I see no short term recruiting disaster this year or next because of it.
 


GO4INLALALAND said:
When it comes to BCS rankings, strength of schedule is a factor in determining rankings. All big ten teams are going to come out on the short end of the stick based on the fact that the Big Ten got beat in every bowl game that mattered this year. Do you really think that does not play a role in rankings? If you do then I guess there is not much more to discuss. Also, everyone keeps talking about the fan base traveling; it sure seemed like TCU's fan base traveled well.
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Sure SOS plays into BCS rankings. But SOS is determined on a year-by-year basis. What happened in the Bowl games yesterday will have zero impact on the SOS rankings in future years.

So no, I do not think that the BT performance in the bowls yesterday will impact SOS rankings NEXT year.

This really is not that hard to figure out LALA.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
So everything that happened yesterday didn't matter. Thanks for proving my point.
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That wasn't your point in the post that I responded to. Your point in the post I responded to was that the Big Ten and the SEC are about the same in strength since the SEC has only two more bowl game wins over the Big Ten in the past decade. My point was that the SEC is seen as a way more dominate conference than the Big Ten despite the fact that it only has two more wins over the Big Ten because the SEC has won a lot more national championships in the last five years.

I think you need to re-read your posts.
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
How many national championships does the SEC have compared to the Big Ten in the last five years? That is what really matters. Who beat who in the toilet bowl doesn't matter, but who won the national championship does.
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Correct. If conference bowl record was the key factor it's being played out to be, we'd all be crying about losing the best recruits to Wyoming. The Mountain West had the best winning percentage last year and most likely will this year as well. To wit:

In 2009-2010 bowl season the Big Ten was 4-3, SEC 6-4, Big XII 4-4, Pac-10 2-5, Mountain West 4-1.

This bowl season the Mountain West is again sitting at 4-1, the Big Ten at 2-5, SEC 3-3, Big XII 3-4, Pac-10 1-1.

Is it a small piece of the puzzle, possibly. Can you provide any documentable proof that it is? Nope.
 

Weddings and Steak Frys said:
Correct. If conference bowl record was the key factor it's being played out to be, we'd all be crying about losing the best recruits to Wyoming. The Mountain West had the best winning percentage last year and most likely will this year as well. To wit:

In 2009-2010 bowl season the Big Ten was 4-3, SEC 6-4, Big XII 4-4, Pac-10 2-5, Mountain West 4-1.

This bowl season the Mountain West is again sitting at 4-1, the Big Ten at 2-5, SEC 3-3, Big XII 3-4, Pac-10 1-1.

Is it a small piece of the puzzle, possibly. Can you provide any documentable proof that it is? Nope.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that the number of bowl wins is a deciding factor in a recruit's choice, but it does contribute to a national perception about a conference. Just think about the press the B10 has gotten for the last 24 hours. It has all been negative. Kids pay attention to what ESPN has to say.
 

The 12th Man said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that the number of bowl wins is a deciding factor in a recruit's choice, but it does contribute to a national perception about a conference. Just think about the press the B10 has gotten for the last 24 hours. It has all been negative. Kids pay attention to what ESPN has to say.
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It may have an impact, but I still think your premise is incorrect. Since you're a passionate advocate (not meant as a slam BTW) that these things do matter and make an impact, maybe you could pull the last 10 years of recruiting rankings for the Big Ten and SEC by school and do a quick side by side or trend analysis by team place in conference. The top schools won't swing much, but the recruiting rankings of the mid-level and lower level teams should show a downward trend for the Big Ten vs. the SEC or other conferences. If you can pull some documentation that supports your premise I would be happy to concede the point.
 

Weddings and Steak Frys said:
It may have an impact, but I still think your premise is incorrect. Since you're a passionate advocate (not meant as a slam BTW) that these things do matter and make an impact, maybe you could pull the last 10 years of recruiting rankings for the Big Ten and SEC by school and do a quick side by side or trend analysis by team place in conference. The top schools won't swing much, but the recruiting rankings of the mid-level and lower level teams should show a downward trend for the Big Ten vs. the SEC or other conferences. If you can pull some documentation that supports your premise I would be happy to concede the point.
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If someone has the time to pull that together, I would be interested to see it as well!
 

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