Big question - will Purdue “compete” against Minnesota

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Sometimes, if you’re Matt Painter, you have to challenge your players.

Painter’s Purdue teams have become fixtures on the national basketball scene and it wasn’t because they played nice. They thrived with aggression and toughness.

Then came Tuesday’s blowout loss at No. 1 Ohio State. The Buckeyes dominated, in part because of lousy Boiler effort. That, Painter insisted, can’t happen again.

“It was disappointing because I didn’t think I’d have to worry about effort,” he said. “You get worried about matchups or stopping (freshman center) Jared Sullinger or (Ohio State’s) ability to shoot. Effort was something that didn’t concern me, but they out-competed us. We’ll have to get some things done in practice to get better in that area.”

It starts with watching the Ohio State film.

“You try to learn from it,” Painter said. “They’ll see our lack of concentration. Our guys didn’t compete at same level Ohio State did.

“(The coaches) had to watch it. Now they have to watch it. If they come out with the same mindset and lack of toughness, it can happen again.”

Ohio State has a two-game lead on the rest of the Big Ten at basically the midpoint of the conference season. It is not, Painter said, insurmountable. Last year Michigan State built a three-game lead only to end in a tie with Purdue and Ohio State.

“Last year we were in the same position,” Painter said. “You’ll need help from other schools.

“Our goal is to win the Big Ten, but we have to put our concentration on Minnesota.”

The No. 12 Boilers (17-4 overall, 6-2 in the Big Ten) will host the No. 16 Gophers (16-4, 5-3) Saturday.

Minnesota already has beaten Purdue once, 70-67 in Minneapolis two weeks ago. The Gophers have won four straight.

Without point guard Al Nolen, who is out with a broken right foot, shooting guard Blake Hoffarber has taken over the point. He had 20 points and four assists from the position in Wednesday night’s win over Northwestern. Hoffarber averages 14.1 points and has 87 assists against 35 turnovers for the season.

“He’s always been a good ball handler,” coach Tubby Smith said, “and he’s going to have to take on a bigger load with Al out.”

Speaking of big, the Gophers started Trevor Mbakwe, Colton Iverson and Ralph Sampson against Northwestern. The 6-8 Mbakwe had 18 points and 15 rebounds. The 6-10 Iverson had 15 points (all in the second half) and seven rebounds. The 6-11 Sampson added 14 points.

Mbakwe averages 13.4 points and 10.5 rebounds. Sampson averages 10.8 points and 5.4 rebounds. Iverson is at 6.8 and 5.2.

Smith, however, wouldn’t commit to the big lineup all the time.

“I think matchups really dictate how you play sometimes,” he said. “We have a short bench now, so you have to adjust.”

It helps, Smith added, when Iverson plays to his size.

“He’s starting to keep the ball up and grasp the concept that he’s 6-10 and saying I’d like to stay 6-10 and don’t bring the ball down to his waist.”
 

I think they will be ready to compete. They ran into a buzz saw on Tuesday night and were shell shocked. I have seen it happen with the maroon and gold now again over the years.

Huge win if the Gophers can pull it out in Mackey, but catching them after being humiliated is probably not in our favor.
 

yup I'm worried being the game right after a Purdue blowout loss...they will come out very aggressive at home
 

Back at home coming off an embarrassing loss now playing another ranked opponent they probably feel they should have beat the first time around....

I'm more worried about the Gophers having the energy and focus to compete against them.
 

For the record Purdue played like absolute crap at O$U but there wasn't a team in the nation that would have play the Buckeyes with in 10 points that night. They were that good.

As for the Gophers game, I would guess the Boilermakers are going to come out fired upped. They are going to compete every time down the court, the Gophers aren't going to find anything easy. Not a good time for Minnesota to play Purdue, but as the old saying is "it's not who you play but when you play them."
 


Huge win if the Gophers can pull it out in Mackey, but catching them after being humiliated is probably not in our favor.

I would agree I guess. I'll tell you though for as much as I've seen Michigan State go downhill this year, I've seen the Gophers go uphill. We've had a lot of bad breaks but they haven't broken us, for a cliche'. I'm really not expecting the Gophers to win but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did. Sometimes when things go your way they just keep going your way, for another cliche'.
 

I would guess the Boilermakers are going to come out fired upped.

I hope so. Because the more fired upped they are the more, I think, they'll risk getting into foul trouble. And I don't think there's a team more susceptible to being in real trouble if a couple of their key guys have to sit out.
 

One would think that whatever incentive Purdue would have to kick our arses would've been a similar incentive they would've had last time they played us due to the shellacking in the BTT last year.
 

For the record Purdue played like absolute crap at O$U but there wasn't a team in the nation that would have play the Buckeyes with in 10 points that night. They were that good.

As for the Gophers game, I would guess the Boilermakers are going to come out fired upped. They are going to compete every time down the court, the Gophers aren't going to find anything easy. Not a good time for Minnesota to play Purdue, but as the old saying is "it's not who you play but when you play them."

regardless of how fired up they are, no Purdue big (besides JJ) will do any damage against MN.

The game comes down to some pretty simple questions-

How many 3's can Moore and Smith make?
JJ will get his outside shot, and make it, but will he be able to score / rebound inside?
Who will step up to score for MN? Blake again? Can the bigs dominate on offense?

I am excited for this game and do not see the loss of Al as big as some. Were we to continue playing the style we did with Al, its a BIG problem. But its all about strategy and how matchups work out, slower PG's and size oriented teams can win big games.
 



Smart teams are going to realize they don't need to cover anyone except Hoff beyond about 12 feet. If I was playing the Goph's at this point I would pack that lane like it was the last saturday at the MN state fair.
 

Smart teams are going to realize they don't need to cover anyone except Hoff beyond about 12 feet. If I was playing the Goph's at this point I would pack that lane like it was the last saturday at the MN state fair.

Mav is shooting .462 from 3-pt land. Small sample size (6-13), but still...he probably doesn't suck.

Austin is .320 from 3-pt land. Slightly larger sample size (8-25)...he probably doesn't suck either.


Rodney: .138 (4-29)
Chip: .148 (4-27)
Ralph: .214 (3-14)
Blake: .398 (51-128)
 

I think this game will come down to three factors:

1. How do the Boilers shoot? If they're hitting their threes, we're done for. With the amount of shooters they have, we're going to have to have some bigs out on the perimeter, and they'll naturally have trouble keeping up. If the Boilers aren't hitting, we're in good shape.

2. Can Hoff handle the pressure? I'd be shocked if the Boilers didn't put an emphasis on getting in Hoff's face and making him give the ball up. If we can avoid turning the ball over, and can get the ball inside, our offense should be in good shape.

3. Who gets in foul trouble first? If any of our bigs get in foul trouble on Johnson, it'll hurt. If, however, we can get Johnson in some foul trouble, it'll be very helpful for us.
 

I'll add:

Gophers since I can remember don't play as well in day games or on CBS. 20-23 and 1-6 respectfully, under Tubby's direction.
 



I'm counting on our "toughness". The kind that Trevor instills in the team. As long as Trevor doesn't get in foul trouble - I pick the Gophers to win.
 



It all comes down to rebounding/TO's and FT's. We should win the rebounding battle, FT's at home will go to Purdue. Purdue will have the advantage in TO's as well. I like our chances, but Purdue should win by 8. Hope that's wrong - but I just don't see it happening.
 

I think this will be a tough game for our guys...especially at Mackey, with them coming off such an embarrassment in Columbus. I think we can keep it close, but I don't think we'll get the W.
 

It all comes down to rebounding/TO's and FT's. We should win the rebounding battle, FT's at home will go to Purdue. Purdue will have the advantage in TO's as well. I like our chances, but Purdue should win by 8. Hope that's wrong - but I just don't see it happening.

Last game, Purdue won the rebounding battle decisively by 10, was perfect from the FT line (13-13), and both teams had 8 TO's. The difference was shooting and the Gopher's played their best game of the year.
 

Last game, Purdue won the rebounding battle decisively by 10, was perfect from the FT line (13-13), and both teams had 8 TO's. The difference was shooting and the Gopher's played their best game of the year.

Lots of teams seem to play their best games of the year against Purdue. Seems to be a common thread when listening to PU fans talk about losses.
 


Remember the Gophers lost by 17 in West Lafayette last year so this could be a vengeance game for the Gophs. Also the lat time we played Purdue on CBS it was not even close so maybe that is a good sign. I really hope we can pull this off so we can be a 5 or 6 seed instead of an 11.
 

you do realize I said JJ right?

My point was that Purdue doesn't have another big that can cause damage against ANY B1G team, much less a big heavy team(comparatively) like Minnesota.
 


There is a lot more pressure on Purdue. I expect Purdue to be overly aggressive to see if the refs allow them to get away with hacking. Which they most likely will at home. If Purdue hits 3's, the Gophers are in trouble. Otherwise, I would expect a game coming down to the last few minutes.
 

What I fear most about playing at Purdue is the officiating. No way the Gophers will pull it out if they get in foul trouble on phantom offenses and/or Purdue is able to crawl all over the Gophers without consequence.
 

Boilers By 7 Or 8

If the Gophers were at full strength, maybe not.

But I'd expect Purdue to be clicking on all cylinders.
 


Last year Phil Martelli (St. Joes) discussed Minnesota and Purdue. His comment on Purdue was that "they were just nasty" meaning very hard nosed and tough going for rebounds and loose balls. Pusdue seems to have lost some of that nastiness, hopefully they do not get it back today.
 

Last year Phil Martelli (St. Joes) discussed Minnesota and Purdue. His comment on Purdue was that "they were just nasty" meaning very hard nosed and tough going for rebounds and loose balls. Pusdue seems to have lost some of that nastiness, hopefully they do not get it back today.
Purdue has never been a great rebounding team under Painter. I haven't looked at the stats, but the rebounding this year has probably been the best; however, it still sucks against teams that have bigs.
 




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