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People are stupid.
Yep. There it is, plain and simple.

Shit voters = shit democracy.


Directly from Stryker's Nov 15 memo:

3. Voters believe the economy is bad, and no amount of stats can change their mind (at least in the short term).

"To hell with what facts, data, and statistics say ... I'll believe what I want to believe, anyway!!"
 

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they don’t want more re-distribution of wealth, more debt, and bigger government.
No, that's just what 20-30% of the country doesn't want.

F those people. Their anti-logical, anti-intelligence should be ignored and dismissed.
 

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Yeah, we have to pass the bill to learn what’s in it, right howie.

Build Back Broke is loaded with garbage that the American public doesn’t want, and they don’t want more re-distribution of wealth, more debt, and bigger government. If Biden was honest, they’d be totally transparent about what‘s in it, and not just be selling the benefits for specific constituents. Of course, Joe may not even know what’s in it.
Wanting that to be true, doesn't make it so. Universal Pre-K and Paid family leave have huge support. Most of the climate change measures have at least majority support. And paying for it by taxing the rich has overwhelming support.

Which is why the GQP has to attack it by calling universal Pre-K "Socialism!" etc. because that dishonesty all they have.
 

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Wanting that to be true, doesn't make it so. Universal Pre-K and Paid family leave have huge support. Most of the climate change measures have at least majority support. And paying for it by taxing the rich has overwhelming support.

Which is why the GQP has to attack it by calling universal Pre-K "Socialism!" etc. because that dishonesty all they have.
Yes - because only the rich will be taxed. This has already been debunked yet the sheep keep pushing that false narrative because dishonesty is all they have.
 

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Wanting that to be true, doesn't make it so. Universal Pre-K and Paid family leave have huge support. Most of the climate change measures have at least majority support. And paying for it by taxing the rich has overwhelming support.

Which is why the GQP has to attack it by calling universal Pre-K "Socialism!" etc. because that dishonesty all they have.
You’re full of shit!
 


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Yeah, we have to pass the bill to learn what’s in it, right howie.

Build Back Broke is loaded with garbage that the American public doesn’t want, and they don’t want more re-distribution of wealth, more debt, and bigger government. If Biden was honest, they’d be totally transparent about what‘s in it, and not just be selling the benefits for specific constituents. Of course, Joe may not even know what’s in it.
Most who don’t support it just don’t know what is in it. That way….. everything makes sense again.
 
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You’re full of shit!
Unfortunately, I think he's probably right.

There are ton of people on the planet that don't have any issue with voting to steal other people's money. As we all know, the devil is in the details though. It's easy to say "universal pre-K and paid family leave" and have the rich pay for it because they haven't defined what is the "rich". If that definition doesn't include them, they're cool with it. They think it's actual super duper moral.

At the end of the day though, I believe America is becoming more and more like Europe. In the UK, almost 70% of the families are on government assistance. Over 30% of the families make more than half of their income from welfare. In contrast, in America about 20% of the households are on welfare.

I'm sort of black pilled on the whole thing. I can't envision a scenario where the leaches stop being addicted to that free government money and they will continue to have more and more kids. Even the middle class folks who support this stuff, their kids will enter this "layabout" society more and more.

So yeah, I agree with Howie's post. Our reactions to those issues are different, but I agree with the underlying data.
 

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Unfortunately, I think he's probably right.

There are ton of people on the planet that don't have any issue with voting to steal other people's money. As we all know, the devil is in the details though. It's easy to say "universal pre-K and paid family leave" and have the rich pay for it because they haven't defined what is the "rich". If that definition doesn't include them, they're cool with it. They think it's actual super duper moral.

At the end of the day though, I believe America is becoming more and more like Europe. In the UK, almost 70% of the families are on government assistance. Over 30% of the families make more than half of their income from welfare. In contrast, in America about 20% of the households are on welfare.

I'm sort of black pilled on the whole thing. I can't envision a scenario where the leaches stop being addicted to that free government money and they will continue to have more and more kids. Even the middle class folks who support this stuff, their kids will enter this "layabout" society more and more.

So yeah, I agree with Howie's post. Our reactions to those issues are different, but I agree with the underlying data.
howie complains about people not knowing what’s in the legislation, then cherry picks popular items.

But when they take these polls, they almost never ask the question “would you be willing to pay more taxes to pay for these programs?”

Sure, Biden keeps saying that only the top 1% will pay, but that is absolutely a lie.

And, the BBB legislation has plenty of things that won’t be poll tested that would be unpopular.

Case in point, 68% of Americans polled on whether they’d pay $10 more per month to fight climate change said no.


So yes, howie is right that telling Americans that someone else will pay for it will help them to get to okay. But this is as big a lie as Mexico paying for the wall.
 

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Wanting that to be true, doesn't make it so. Universal Pre-K and Paid family leave have huge support. Most of the climate change measures have at least majority support. And paying for it by taxing the rich has overwhelming support.

Which is why the GQP has to attack it by calling universal Pre-K "Socialism!" etc. because that dishonesty all they have.
That's not an attack, that's a fact howie. Theft from others to do these things is socialism. Period. As Loblaw says- you are probably right that free stuff is popular. It usually is.
 



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garbage that the American public doesn’t want, and they don’t want more re-distribution of wealth, more debt, and bigger government.

The Elites don't want that, many Americans do to one degree or another, except the debt part.

Real Mericans know Epstein and Trump deserve tax cuts..
 

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The Elites don't want that, many Americans do to one degree or another, except the debt part.

Real Mericans know Epstein and Trump deserve tax cuts..
Most of BBB will be paid for with the increase in corporate taxes which will be passed on to consumers/customers, aka the middle class.

BBB, as of now, increases the SALT cap deduction from $10K to $80K. As a result, people making over $400K per year to over a $1 million will be able to deduct their state and local taxes from their federal taxes. This is a blue, high state tax reduction for those 1 percenters. Those 1%ers total taxes will be lowered as a result. Biden is lying to you and you’re gullible enough to believe it.
 

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Most of BBB will be paid for with the increase in corporate taxes which will be passed on to consumers/customers, aka the middle class.

BBB, as of now, increases the SALT cap deduction from $10K to $80K. As a result, people making over $400K per year to over a $1 million will be able to deduct their state and local taxes from their federal taxes. This is a blue, high state tax reduction for those 1 percenters. Those 1%ers total taxes will be lowered as a result. Biden is lying to you and you’re gullible enough to believe it.
Nah, there are none of those billionaires that Wally hates in NY o CA.
 

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Most of BBB will be paid for with the increase in corporate taxes which will be passed on to consumers/customers, aka the middle class.

BBB, as of now, increases the SALT cap deduction from $10K to $80K. As a result, people making over $400K per year to over a $1 million will be able to deduct their state and local taxes from their federal taxes. This is a blue, high state tax reduction for those 1 percenters. Those 1%ers total taxes will be lowered as a result. Biden is lying to you and you’re gullible enough to believe it.
I never claimed dems were perfect. But I will say, Thank You Joe Biden for cutting my Taxes!
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That's not an attack, that's a fact howie. Theft from others to do these things is socialism. Period. As Loblaw says- you are probably right that free stuff is popular. It usually is.
Universal pre-k is "Socialism“ but public K-12 education isn't? Brilliant!
 


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Nah, there are none of those billionaires that Wally hates in NY o CA.

I think their SALT taxes would be a bit over the cutoff in the bill. That said I think they raised the SALT deduction a bit to high, a $40,000 cap would be better.

Are you saying you believe the feds should be able to tax you on income that you paid to the state in tax, income you never actually saw? I fully support the middle class being able to deduct that which is in line with my support of progressive taxation.

Oh yea, quit making up bullshit about me hating billionaires. Wanting them to be taxed in no way means I hate them. You guys all wrap your identity in money, that is obvious and sad.
 

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Concession noted.
Having to repeat proof of your BS isn’t a concession. I just get tired of you ignoring that proof, so why repeat it again? You’ll just ignore it again.

There is a lot of garbage in BBB that the majority of Americans wouldn’t want and the parts that they do want are only b/c Biden told them that they won’t have to pay for it. Unfortunately, a lot of people can’t see the forest through the trees and Dems count on that.

You’re one of those people.
 

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I think their SALT taxes would be a bit over the cutoff in the bill. That said I think they raised the SALT deduction a bit to high, a $40,000 cap would be better.

Are you saying you believe the feds should be able to tax you on income that you paid to the state in tax, income you never actually saw? I fully support the middle class being able to deduct that which is in line with my support of progressive taxation.

Oh yea, quit making up bullshit about me hating billionaires. Wanting them to be taxed in no way means I hate them. You guys all wrap your identity in money, that is obvious and sad.
SALT is strictly a way for the federal government to reward high tax states (Blue states). The federal government should not reward states for having high taxes. It just encourages bigger government and penalizes residents of states that are fiscally responsible.

It is a Democrat scheme. There is no other explanation. It’s politics!

howie assures me that Dems don’t use their power for political advantage. He is full of shit!
 

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SALT is strictly a way for the federal government to reward high tax states (Blue states). The federal government should not reward states for having high taxes. It just encourages bigger government and penalizes residents of states that are fiscally responsible.

It is a Democrat scheme. There is no other explanation. It’s politics!

howie assures me that Dems don’t use their power for political advantage. He is full of shit!
It's a reward that people don't have to pay tax on income they never saw and was paid in state tax, yea ok 🙄🙄🙄
 

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It's a reward that people don't have to pay tax on income they never saw and was paid in state tax, yea ok 🙄🙄🙄
I want my federal government to reward fiscal responsibility of states, not reward high taxation and big government…but you’re a Democrat and aren’t smart enough to understand the benefits of fiscal responsibility, so I can see why you’d support it.
 

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I want my federal government to reward fiscal responsibility of states, not reward high taxation and big government…but you’re a Democrat and aren’t smart enough to understand the benefits of fiscal responsibility, so I can see why you’d support it.
Except it's the red "fiscally responsible" states that live off the Federal Government teat more than any others. So once again you obscure and lie. That being said, I don't care if they lower the SALT cap or remove it. What are the other "many" things in the bill that most Americans hate?
 


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Except it's the red "fiscally responsible" states that live off the Federal Government teat more than any others. So once again you obscure and lie. That being said, I don't care if they lower the SALT cap or remove it. What are the other "many" things in the bill that most Americans hate?
Isn’t this where you tell me to “do your own homework“?

Inflation, debt, bigger government, eventual higher long term costs and necessary middle income tax increases, wasted money on mandated climate change actions, huge expansion of social welfare, money and legal status for millions of illegal immigrants, big brother IRS, government guided elimination of jobs, and no doubt lots of presents for Democrat interests, like trial attorneys. Basically, a massive government managed society that will be hard to undo.




 

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Isn’t this where you tell me to “do your own homework“?

Inflation, debt, bigger government, eventual higher long term costs and necessary middle income tax increases, wasted money on mandated climate change actions, huge expansion of social welfare, money and legal status for millions of illegal immigrants, big brother IRS, government guided elimination of jobs, and no doubt lots of presents for Democrat interests, like trial attorneys. Basically, a massive government managed society that will be hard to undo.




They can do that because trillions in spending = zero cost!
 

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At the end of the day though, I believe America is becoming more and more like Europe.
Then GTFO. Take your "skills" and "wealth" to some shit-stain place, like even more Texas than Texas.

You aren't wanted, you aren't needed.

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I want my federal government to reward fiscal responsibility of states, not reward high taxation and big government…but you’re a Democrat and aren’t smart enough to understand the benefits of fiscal responsibility, so I can see why you’d support it.
Would you also support states only getting back from the Feds the money they paid in?

Because the majority of shit hole red states are welfare cases wrt to the money they pay in to the Feds compared to what they get back.

The hypocrisy is priceless.
 

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Isn’t this where you tell me to “do your own homework“?

Inflation, debt, bigger government, eventual higher long term costs and necessary middle income tax increases, wasted money on mandated climate change actions, huge expansion of social welfare, money and legal status for millions of illegal immigrants, big brother IRS, government guided elimination of jobs, and no doubt lots of presents for Democrat interests, like trial attorneys. Basically, a massive government managed society that will be hard to undo.




New legal immigrants?!? Nooooo! MAGA time!

The CBO score showed it would add only marginally to the debt and that was with a conservative estimate on the difference from un-gutting the IRS.

But sure "hidden costs! " Pre-K = Socialism!" "More Brown People!"
 

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Would you also support states only getting back from the Feds the money they paid in?

Because the majority of shit hole red states are welfare cases wrt to the money they pay in to the Feds compared to what they get back.

The hypocrisy is priceless.
I’ve had this discussion with other lefties here before, like howie.

Point #1: I’ve got some news for you. States don’t pay taxes to the Federal government, people do.

I’m a conservative in a blue state. I’ll be damned if you think Illinois is contributing MY MONEY to the Federal government. Illinois has nothing to do with our income except living in a large metro area is where the majority of commerce is consummated, though it often begins and is processed in those red states. Blue state business depends on those red states to produce goods, from the working class, like farmers, laborers, etc.

The wealthiest people with the highest incomes live in those metro areas as a practical matter b/c it is the hub of financial exchange. But as Joe Biden likes to say, it’s the middle class that built this country and is its backbone. But, they don’t earn a high income for doing so, like some in metro areas.

So no, those blue states wouldn’t have the personal wealth that it does without red states doing the heavy lifting.

Point #2: You want to talk about hypocrisy? The reason blue states residents pay the federal government so much is b/c Democrats want wealthy people who live in those blue states to “pay their fair share”. You want to reduce the amount that the citizens of blue states pay to the federal government, lower wealthy peoples’ taxes. Lower the taxes on the top 1%, who currently contribute 40% of income taxes collected.

But you can’t have it both ways. Complain about the wealthy for not paying their fair share when the wealthy are primarily responsible for most taxes collected, then use them to complain about redistributing federal funds to less wealthy citizens of red states. That’s hypocrisy!
 
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New legal immigrants?!? Nooooo! MAGA time!

The CBO score showed it would add only marginally to the debt and that was with a conservative estimate on the difference from un-gutting the IRS.

But sure "hidden costs! " Pre-K = Socialism!" "More Brown People!"
Illegal immigrants idiot. You don’t reward illegal immigrants for breaking our laws. No country does. It has nothing to do with anyone’s color.

You know what happens if you do reward illegal immigrants by making them legal? More illegals come. A perpetual immigration issue…genius.

Why should illegal immigrants jump the line of people waiting to legally immigrate?
 




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