Better Job, MN or Miami?

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Facilities: Edge MN
Stadium: Edge MN
Tradition (all time): Even
Tradition 1980-2002: Edge Miami
Tradition 2003-2010: Even
Name Recognition Nationally: Edge Miami
Expectations: Edge MN (miami has unrealistic expectations)
Payment: Even (if reports of what MN is wiling to pay are true)
Recruiting Base: Edge Miami
Climate: Edge Miami


Overall: Definite Edge Miami
But a lot closer than expected if you actually take the time to think about it.
 

I personally don't think it's that close. I think the areas that Miami has an edge over MN are much more important to building a strong program (recruiting, tradition (relatively), name recognition and even climate). I can't imagine the fact that Nagurski went here would carry anywhere near the same weight as Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Willis McGahee, Frank Gore, Vince Wilfork, Andre Johnson, etc., being alums.
 

I do think it is not close. But I also think it is a lot closer than the casual fan would assume.
 

No contest. Miami is a helmet school and the roster is good to go. They only need a decent coach to be a National Powerhouse again.

We are at ground zero. BTW, we just beat Iowee, stop killing my buzz.
 



Miami's the better job, esp. if a coach nails down the south Florida recruiting base.

BTW - IMO, "All Time Tradition" isn't a good topic to bring up .... while 6 NC's is entitled to respect, kids & coaches you're recruiting are all going to pay more attention to the "none in the last 50 years" part.
 

On the surface, Miami is the better job pretty much because of the talent in the area. There fan base is terrible. Their boosters are a bunch of crooks, which would be my first concern about going there. Whoever takes that job has to have some serious brass balls.
 

BTW - IMO, "All Time Tradition" isn't a good topic to bring up .... while 6 NC's is entitled to respect, kids & coaches you're recruiting are all going to pay more attention to the "none in the last 50 years" part.
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Exactly... Unless we are recruiting a bunch of 60 and 70 year old white guys from Minnesota..it means nothing or little to our recruits. That said, Minnesota has a lot to offer a recruit, stadium, big ten, etc... so I'm sure that is the focus.. the National Titles are great when walking through the trophy room but I doubt they add much in recruiting.

As to the question, its not even close..Miami is a better job...at least in national perception. Hopefully our next coach will change all that..
 

Minnesota has no real advantages other than facilities/stadium. You can manufacture a bunch of factors that aren't really factors, for instance:

Number of seasons: Minnesota
Pctg of fan base with body piercings: Minnesota
Right turn on red: Minnesota
Proportion of fans with internet access at home: Minnesota
Hotness of female volleyball players: Minnesota

But the things that matter - climate, recruiting base, national exposure, etc - mostly favor Miami right now. Some of those factors could change, others never will.
 



Rosemountian said:
Tradition 2003-2010: Even
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Over that span:

Minnesota: 46-53, 2-4 in bowls (0-0 BCS), 1 season finishing ranked (#20)
Miami: 64-35, 3-3 in bowls (1-0 BCS), 4 seasons finishing ranked (5, 11, 17, 19)
 

You are kidding right, I think you need to get a better control of reality if you think the Minnesota job compares to Miami. The simple fact that it is in a recruiting hot bed with a high profile name makes it a better job and nothing Minnesota could do will ever change that.
 

BradDad said:
Miami's the better job, esp. if a coach nails down the south Florida recruiting base.

BTW - IMO, "All Time Tradition" isn't a good topic to bring up .... while 6 NC's is entitled to respect, kids & coaches you're recruiting are all going to pay more attention to the "none in the last 50 years" part.
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It is relevant though. In the mid-70s Miami was an all time bad program. This is partially the reason they don't have a great base when they aren't championship contenders.
 

jovs said:
You are kidding right, I think you need to get a better control of reality if you think the Minnesota job compares to Miami. The simple fact that it is in a recruiting hot bed with a high profile name makes it a better job and nothing Minnesota could do will ever change that.
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Why would I be kidding?
I said Miami was clearly the better job.
I said it was a lot closer than people think.

The casual fan would assume Miami is a top 10 job and Minnesota is around 60-80.
I would say Miami is in the 25-35 range and Minnesota is in the 45-55 range. Do you disagree?
 



Miami is the hotbed of D1 talent but must compete with Florida, FSU, as well as a number of other upcoming FL schools for talent. Miami's stadium is off campus. Florida has Minnesota beat in the winter for climate, but the FL summers are hot and very humid every day from May through Sept and into Oct. Minnesota's summers are usually superb in comparison.
 

Looks like Gruden has given us the answer.
 

Rosemountian said:
I would say Miami is in the 25-35 range and Minnesota is in the 45-55 range. Do you disagree?
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Yes, I disagree strongly. I had assumed this thread was a joke, but apparently it isn't since you persist in posting.

Miami is Top-15, and Minnesota is 50th or so (at best).

Since 1983, Miami has 5 national championships (under 4 different coaches, nonetheless). They also have 9 conference championships (despite being an independent until 1991). I'm sure you're aware of how many national and conference championships Minnesota has in that time period. Is 5 and 9 vs. 0 and 0 "a lot closer than people think"?

Do you care to guess which of the two schools has the second-most first-round NFL draft picks (54, behind USC's 57) since 1970 (post-merger)? I'll give you a hint: it's not Minnesota. Minnesota has had 4 in that time frame. Is 54 vs. 4 "a lot closer than people think"?

Since 1979, Miami has had two (yes, two) losing seasons: 1997 and 2007. In that timeframe, Minnesota has had 19 losing seasons. Is 2 vs. 19 "a lot closer than people think"?

P.S. This thread is absurd. There's still just over a month left in 2010, but you may be the leader in the clubhouse for "most preposterous thread of the year".
 

Just thought I'd throw another one in for fun:

Miami sent 4 consecutive head coaches on to professional (USFL/NFL) jobs between 1983 and 2000. How many coaches has Minnesota sent on to professional jobs in the last 128 years?
 



dpodoll68 said:
Yes, I disagree strongly. I had assumed this thread was a joke, but apparently it isn't since you persist in posting.

Miami is Top-15, and Minnesota is 50th or so (at best).

Since 1983, Miami has 5 national championships (under 4 different coaches, nonetheless). They also have 9 conference championships (despite being an independent until 1991). I'm sure you're aware of how many national and conference championships Minnesota has in that time period. Is 5 and 9 vs. 0 and 0 "a lot closer than people think"?

Do you care to guess which of the two schools has the second-most first-round NFL draft picks (54, behind USC's 57) since 1970 (post-merger)? I'll give you a hint: it's not Minnesota. Minnesota has had 4 in that time frame. Is 54 vs. 4 "a lot closer than people think"?

Since 1979, Miami has had two (yes, two) losing seasons: 1997 and 2007. In that timeframe, Minnesota has had 19 losing seasons. Is 2 vs. 19 "a lot closer than people think"?

P.S. This thread is absurd. There's still just over a month left in 2010, but you may be the leader in the clubhouse for "most preposterous thread of the year".
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You yourself said MN is at best 50th...so my 45-55 range is obviously not preposterous.

I said Miami is in the 25-35 range for a job
I never said Miami was a top 25-35 program, which you seem to be insinuating. (THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE).
Miami doesn't have the facilities or fanbase to compare to the best of the best. But they have expectations that are as high as anyone. Unless they are paying 4 million + per year. They are not remotely close to a top 10 job.

Jobs better than Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Texas
USC
UCLA
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Penn State
Tennessee
Oregon
Washington
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Virginia Tech


On par with
Clemson
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan State
 

Your list is terrible. UCLA, Washington, A&M, Arkansas, and Virginia Tech are better jobs than Miami? You cannot be serious.

Also, Miami is a much, much better job than any of your "on par" jobs. I mean, come on. Michigan St.?

Miami has an embarrassment of talent in its own backyard, many of whom grow up hoping for an offer from "the (fake) U". You having some sort of personal bias against Miami doesn't change its status. Super Bowl-winning head coaches don't take jobs at schools they have no connection to unless that job is elite. That you keep arguing that the two jobs are even remotely similar is quite embarrassing for you.
 

When you take into account that the head coaches of UCLA, Washington, A&M, Arkansas, Michigan State, and Va Tech will all make similar amounts of money to the Miami coach, but they will have better facilities and lower expectations, some would definitely call them similar level jobs.

What Superbowl winning coach has taken a job at Miami?

Would the coaches at UCLA, Washington, A&M, Arkansas, or Michigan State leave for Miami?
 

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