B1G Should Stick to it's No FCS Policy

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Nice overview of the subject from the Big Ten Blog on ESPN.com

Is there some waffling on the Big Ten's part? If so, there are understandable reasons why.

Nonconference scheduling is becoming more and more of a headache, and a wildly expensive one at that. As this recent Fox Sports Wisconsin report illustrates, the cost of a guaranteed home game is skyrocketing. The average price to schedule a lower-level FBS team to come to a Big Ten stadium without a return date is $827,838 this year, with several of those games costing more than $1 million, according to the report..

Complicating matters is the arrival of the nine-game Big Ten schedule in 2016. The divisions will rotate the home-road ratio, meaning league teams will have four home conference games every other year. That leaves three nonconference slots that must be filled by guarantee games in order to get to seven home dates.


"When you put a pencil to it, can everybody get FBS schools?" Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez told Fox Sports. "Can you find enough of them? Do we have to make some exceptions and have some FCS schools? That's what you have to take a look at. In some cases, they're a tougher opponent than some of the FBS opponents. If your choice is to not play a game because you can't find anybody or play an FCS team, you don't have much choice." ..

And like the move to a nine-game conference schedule, the Big Ten is going to a place where other leagues won't. While a few prominent SEC coaches such as Alabama's Nick Saban and Florida's Will Muschamp recently came out in favor of avoiding FCS foes (Muschamp might
have ulterior motives), SEC commissioner Mike Slive said last month that his league does not plan any sort of anti-FCS scheduling policy. Yea, more exciting October and November clashes like this oneand that one.

Similarly, the ACC has no interest in quitting its FCS relationships. All 14 ACC schools will play an FCS opponent this year. So you have two leagues whom the Big Ten might be competing against for spots in the four-team playoff who will soon be A) playing one less conference game per season; and B) scheduling easy wins over FCS teams. Sure, that sounds fair.

So you can understand why the Big Ten might not want to be alone on this island. Still, there are many good reasons why the league should not be scheduling FCS teams, as Phillips explains.

"With the new structure of the playoff system, you will be rewarded [for playing tougher schedules], like in basketball," he said. "Also ... our fans really want you to challenge yourself in the nonconference schedule. And candidly television [is a reason]; look at ratings, that had an effect.”

Athletic directors and administrators are already worried about declining attendance, especially among students, and what that means for the future. Schools are paying millions of dollars to upgrade their video boards and enhance Wi-Fi capabilities in their stadiums, all in an effort to keep people from staying home and watching the game on their high-definition TVs.. more

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten
 

I think they could loosen it up a bit to allow for the difficulties of scheduling and economics. For instance, not just if no other FBS team is available, but if no FBS program within a reasonable distance. Why would you make a B1G team schedule a game at, say San Diego State if they are the only FBS available on a particular Saturday, instead of playing an in state FCS school? FBS games are more likely to involve a home and home commitment or a larger payout.

And perhaps an allowance for balancing out the other 2 OOC games. If a program schedules 2 BCS AQ opponents (including ND), then they are allowed to schedule an FCS, otherwise it has to be all FBS.
 

Another solution would be to allow one FCS game for the years that there are only 4 conference home games. That would make scheduling easier and the teams that have 5 conference road games can schedule an easier opponent to offset a harder road schedule.
 

Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.
 

Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.

Playing North Dakota State is not going to be a deciding factor if a team makes the playoff or not.

One BCS opponent, two from the MAC, AAC, MWC, Sun Belt or BYU....win the Big Ten championship game and you're in with 0-1 losses.
 


Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.

Scheduling ndsu instead of unlv would have been virtually identical in perception nationally. No one respects unlv or ndsu, just sayin
 

Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.

Ha! I was waiting for this thundering turd to show up in this thread and start yapping about his precious north dakota. He did not disappoint. :rolleyes:
 

MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3)

San Jose State (prior to Noel Grigsby's injury) would have hung many a point on your vaunted collection of farmboys and MSP-area academic casualties.

I look forward to hearing all about how your defense shut down Coastal Carolina.
 



San Jose State (prior to Noel Grigsby's injury) would have hung many a point on your vaunted collection of farmboys and MSP-area academic casualties.

I look forward to hearing all about how your defense shut down Coastal Carolina.

Don't knock Coastal Carolina, they are arguably one of the top 10 football programs in the Carolinas.
 

San Jose State (prior to Noel Grigsby's injury) would have hung many a point on your vaunted collection of farmboys and MSP-area academic casualties.

I look forward to hearing all about how your defense shut down Coastal Carolina.

I also enjoy how he totally ignores that UNLV was a bowl team last year. No one said they're a powerhouse, but having 2 bowl-eligible teams in the non-con is more than a lot of teams can say.
 

I also enjoy how he totally ignores that UNLV was a bowl team last year. No one said they're a powerhouse, but having 2 bowl-eligible teams in the non-con is more than a lot of teams can say.

It's really the perfect storm when a rube-filled fanbase goes undefeated in D1-AA with a small sample size of victories over big school competition. Delusions of grandeur for everyone!
 

Playing the better FCS programs, close to MN, would have helped your OOC stength of schedule in 2013. MN scheduled San Jose, New Mexico St, UNLV (ho hum on all 3), and a team in W IL that UNI, NDSU, and SDSU regularly beat up on. If MN schedules 2 games against B12, P12, SEC, ACC . . . then 2 other games vs FBS/FCS, it would be a big step forward. Having 4 non P5 games is what needs to change, not anything related to FCS, especially if you schedule the top teams in the Missouri Valley. Having 9 conf games in the future, and expecting to play 1-2 P5 games is going to be a killer for winning. Not sure what the B1G was thinking on that when he SEC and ACC are playing 8 conf games.

No FCS policy is right for BIG because we have nothing to gain in those games.

NDSU's "problem" if you want to call it that:
In my opinion I think they want it both ways. We are better than "just another FCS school" but we dont want to move up and be a sub .500 FBS team.
Right now NDSU is scheduling teams like Incarnate Word because many other schools (FCS and FBS) wont schedule them.
 



Scheduling ndsu instead of unlv would have been virtually identical in perception nationally. No one respects unlv or ndsu, just sayin

Same percenption, yes usually, but not in 2013. One game for MN is a potential loss, and the other a win in 2013. Is it about winning, or playing strong competition? You guys are confused as to your objective.
 

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San Jose 82
UNLV 99
W IL 159
NM St 191

Even your DI FCS team was wisely chosen for an easy win. If you want to play bad FBS competition and pretend it is better than top DI FCS teams, there are lots of options I guess.

MN and the B1G can stop playing DI FCS games, that's fine. But let's not pretend they are doing it to play stronger competition.
 

Same percenption, yes usually, but not in 2013. One game for MN is a loss, and the other a win in 2013. Is it about winning, or playing strong competition? You guys are confused as to your objective.

No confusion, there's no difference when it comes to the perception of unlv/san Diego/New Mexico st and ndsu. Only people that disagree are bison fans. Believe what you want, it's all opinion.
 

If Iowa State beats North Dakota State on August 30, does Sportscenter mention it?
 

No confusion, there's no difference when it comes to the perception of unlv/san Diego/New Mexico st and ndsu. Only people that disagree are bison fans. Believe what you want, it's all opinion.

MN (in recent years) covets games san Jose/NM State/UNLV, and won't play NDSU who will bring many more fans to their stadium. Why do you think that is? Does the knowledgable MN fan view the FCS team here as lesser competition? Certainly not. If MN knew the outcome of a UNLV game was not heavily in their favor, they would not play UNLV. This has nothing to do with perception of opponent, it is strictly a W/L proposition for MN.

In the FCS as a whole, there's a lot of weak competition, heck you have zero scholarship DI FCS teams that would not compete in DII. So I understand where the B1G is coming from. If you play DI FCS games, it's all about who you schedule if you want good competitive games. The same can be said for DI FBS.
 

If Iowa State beats North Dakota State on August 30, does Sportscenter mention it?

No not likely regardless of who wins, not with a long list of Saturday games and an 11am start. It won't be an upset if NDSU wins based on where these teams are starting 2014. Any win on the road though would be a great win, but it will be tough on the road.

MN will be vastly improved in 2014, and I think would more easily handle a rebuiling NDSU compared to the last 5 years. MN has a chance to be top 2 or 3 in the B1G this year. Iowa State is abig ? coming off of their poor 2013.
 

MN will be vastly improved in 2014, and I think would more easily handle a rebuiling NDSU compared to the last 5 years. MN has a chance to be top 2 or 3 in the B1G this year. Iowa State is abig ? coming off of their poor 2013.

Please share your thoughts on NDSU throwing up roadblocks to the renewal of a regularly scheduled NDSU/UND rivalry game.
 

Please share your thoughts on NDSU throwing up roadblocks to the renewal of a regularly scheduled NDSU/UND rivalry game.

But do it somewhere far, far away from here. We don't need to listen to pointless blabbing about a UND-NDSU matchup.
 

But do it somewhere far, far away from here. We don't need to listen to pointless blabbing about a UND-NDSU matchup.

The State High School Hockey tournament has a pretty good following, I don't see any reason why people wouldn't care about a high school football matchup.
 


No confusion, there's no difference when it comes to the perception of unlv/san Diego/New Mexico st and ndsu. Only people that disagree are bison fans. Believe what you want, it's all opinion.

Perception? What does percenption have to do with anything. Selection committees are going to care about their ranking for SOS, not perception of what kind of team you are.

Those 4 teams had Sagarin rankings of 99, 82, 191, and 17. Your perception of those 4 being the same isn't very accurate.
 

Perception? What does percenption have to do with anything. Selection committees are going to care about their ranking for SOS, not perception of what kind of team you are. Those 4 teams had Sagarin rankings of 99, 82, 191, and 17. Your perception of those 4 being the same isn't very accurate.

Sagarin doesn't care about SOS since they positioned ndsu very high in their system based on beating teams like South Dakota, Indiana st, that d2 school your team played and others.

You also say DI FCS a lot. By posting "DI" is that to bring some sort of credibility to fcs?
 

Sagarin doesn't care about SOS since they positioned ndsu very high in their system based on beating teams like South Dakota, Indiana st, that d2 school your team played and others.

You also say DI FCS a lot. By posting "DI" is that to bring some sort of credibility to fcs?

NDSU is such a destination school, that in less than 6 months:

- The football HC leaves for Wyoming - not Washington - Wyoming.
- The hoops HC leaves for Ohio - not Ohio State - Ohio.
- The AD leaves to become an Associate AD at Iowa - not AD - an Assoc AD.

If you depart for a stepping stone - what do you term what you left?


The gravity and cachet of those lofty and meaningful Sagarin ratings somehow failed to hold any of top positions for the Buffaloes.

Stunning.
 

NDSU is such a destination school, that in less than 6 months:

- The football HC leaves for Wyoming - not Washington - Wyoming.
- The hoops HC leaves for Ohio - not Ohio State - Ohio.
- The AD leaves to become an Associate AD at Iowa - not AD - an Assoc AD.

If you depart for a stepping stone - what do you term what you left?


The gravity and cachet of those lofty and meaningful Sagarin ratings somehow failed to hold any of top positions for the Buffaloes.

Stunning.

Wow. Stunning is right. Gene Taylor leaving Bison for IOWA and Assoc. AD? Who wants to live in IOWA?
 

Sagarin doesn't care about SOS since they positioned ndsu very high in their system based on beating teams like South Dakota, Indiana st, that d2 school your team played and others.

You also say DI FCS a lot. By posting "DI" is that to bring some sort of credibility to fcs?

Sagarin considers SOS, wins & losses, margin of Victory. You know not of which you speak obviously.
 





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