B1G Commissioner Floats Expanded Playoff Idea to 28 Teams!

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Commissioner wants 24-28 teams.

He’s an idiot, right?

 
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SJUgopher said:
Commissioner wants 24-28 teams.

He’s an idiot, right?

https://x.com/petethamel/status/1956745528911298701?s=46&t=PxaBk6_cRDqjmM11sPYAfw
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Now that the players agreed to their crappy contract deal management wants to expand their workload and personal risk of injury without a commensurate increase in compensation.

That, and literally nobody anywhere has asked for such a large field. The regular season is supposed to mean something in CFB. This is a money grab by networks and their conference partners. Petiti is less than impressive, but very predictable for a tv network exec.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Now that the players agreed to their crappy contract deal management wants to expand their workload and personal risk of injury without a commensurate increase in compensation.

That, and literally nobody anywhere has asked for such a large field. The regular season is supposed to mean something in CFB. This is a money grab by networks and their conference partners. Petiti is less than impressive, but very predictable for a tv network exec.
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I have asked for 24 before
I haven’t seen much over 25

24 would be every conference champs.
Some leagues get 2, 3, 4 etc based on a 5 year coefficient rating based on RPI of teams in leagues.


For instance in 24 over the last 5 years. (Making this up but it should be a mathematical formula)
SEC: 5
Big ten: 5
Big 12: 3
ACC: 3
American: 2
Mountain West: 1
MAC: 1
Sun Belt: 1
Conference USA: 1
PAC 7-8(if they get to 8 teams to qualify as a conference: 1


At large: 1 (2 if pac 12 didn’t get to 8)

But I don’t think this ever happens because that’s too much revenue for the big 2 or 4 leagues to give to other leagues. So it’s actually kind of big that the big ten commissioner is the one suggesting it

24 is a nice number.
Teams 9-16 get a home game.
5-8 get a bye and a home game
1-4 get a bye and two home games
 

Some guy said:
I have asked for 24 before
I haven’t seen much over 25

24 would be every conference champs.
Some leagues get 2, 3, 4 etc based on a 5 year coefficient rating based on RPI of teams in leagues.


For instance in 24 over the last 5 years. (Making this up but it should be a mathematical formula)
SEC: 5
Big ten: 5
Big 12: 3
ACC: 3
American: 2
Mountain West: 1
MAC: 1
Sun Belt: 1
Conference USA: 1
PAC 7-8(if they get to 8 teams to qualify as a conference: 1


At large: 1

But I don’t think this ever happens because that’s too much revenue for the big 2 or 4 leagues to give to other leagues. So it’s actually kind of big that the big ten commissioner is the one suggesting it

24 is a nice number.
Teams 9-16 get a home game.
5-8 get a bye and a home game
1-4 get a bye and two home games
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But why
 

If the ACC or Big 12 teams and boosters can pay players as much or more as big ten or SEC why are they awarded more slots without any rational justification besides some made up metric based on faulty and error upon error calculations. I don’t know of any league anywhere that operates in such a manner.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
But why
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To make the regular season more valuable

Doing that would make about 10 huge games a year less valuable but would make dozens of games more valuable. Plus would add 12 playoff games.



The answer to everything is money. Which is why 24 with all champs in won’t happen.
 

Do the players have a say in this? They better if you're talking about a potential 5 more games at end of regular season.
 

Some guy said:
To make the regular season more valuable

Doing that would make about 10 huge games a year less valuable but would make dozens of games more valuable. Plus would add 12 playoff games.



The answer to everything is money. Which is why 24 with all champs in won’t happen.
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I guess what I mean is I’ve never heard anyone argue the fifth best big ten team or SEC team is national championship material. Sure, some fluky stuff could happen and be awesome but that can also happen under the current system (see Indiana).

So, it’s purely a money grab by a dedicated TV exec that has done nothing but look at spreadsheets his entire life. Like I said, it’s not surprising but it is disappointing.

Do the players want it? Or 99.9% of fans. The unequal guaranteed slots are already a travesty that has surely upset the football gods. In any fair world the “lesser conferences” will go on a ten year run of dominance. Boosters, unite.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I guess what I mean is I’ve never heard anyone argue the fifth best big ten team or SEC team is national championship material. Sure, some fluky stuff could happen and be awesome but that can also happen under the current system (see Indiana).

So, it’s purely a money grab by a dedicated TV exec that has done nothing but look at spreadsheets his entire life. Like I said, it’s not surprising but it is disappointing.

Do the players want it? Or 99.9% of fans. The unequal guaranteed slots are already a travesty that has surely upset the football gods. In any fair world the “lesser conferences” will go on a ten year run of dominance. Boosters, unite.
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Yes it’s money
The argument for 24 is money
The argument against is how to split the money

We literally already have a fifth place 9-3 SEC team arguing they should be in in the current format so that’s not much of a change
 




Some guy said:
Yes it’s money
The argument for 24 is money
The argument against is how to split the money

We literally already have a fifth place 9-3 SEC team arguing they should be in in the current format so that’s not much of a change
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Determination of top conference teams is already done by wins/losses and tiebreakers
Compensation is fixed and NIL is unlimited across conferences.

Based on those factors there is zero reason the big ten should have more auto bids than the ACC or Big 12 or Conference USA. I don’t care about error-riddled RPI or any other made up metric.

IMO if this can’t be agreed to the time has come to split off the haves and have nots. Just do eg P4. If any of the little sisters want to move up give them that opportunity.

Then, do a real contract with the players.
 





Pompous Elitist said:
Determination of top conference teams is already done by wins/losses and tiebreakers
Compensation is fixed and NIL is unlimited across conferences.

Based on those factors there is zero reason the big ten should have more auto bids than the ACC or Big 12 or Conference USA.

IMO if this can’t be agreed to the time has come to split off the haves and have nots. Just do eg P4. If any of the little sisters want to move up give them that opportunity.

Then, do a real contract with the players.
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Thats why I don’t think it’ll happen


I don’t think there’ll ever be a real contract with players if you mean collective bargaining. It would limit compensation for the best players so I’m not sure why they would join in the collective bargaining effort
 



Some guy said:
I have asked for 24 before
I haven’t seen much over 25

24 would be every conference champs.
Some leagues get 2, 3, 4 etc based on a 5 year coefficient rating based on RPI of teams in leagues.


For instance in 24 over the last 5 years. (Making this up but it should be a mathematical formula)
SEC: 5
Big ten: 5
Big 12: 3
ACC: 3
American: 2
Mountain West: 1
MAC: 1
Sun Belt: 1
Conference USA: 1
PAC 7-8(if they get to 8 teams to qualify as a conference: 1


At large: 1 (2 if pac 12 didn’t get to 8)

But I don’t think this ever happens because that’s too much revenue for the big 2 or 4 leagues to give to other leagues. So it’s actually kind of big that the big ten commissioner is the one suggesting it

24 is a nice number.
Teams 9-16 get a home game.
5-8 get a bye and a home game
1-4 get a bye and two home games
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The PAC announced on June 30th that the eighth football member will be Texas State from the Sun Belt Conf (rapidly growing school located inbetween San Antonio and Austin).
 


Pompous Elitist said:
I guess what I mean is I’ve never heard anyone argue the fifth best big ten team or SEC team is national championship material. Sure, some fluky stuff could happen and be awesome but that can also happen under the current system (see Indiana).

So, it’s purely a money grab by a dedicated TV exec that has done nothing but look at spreadsheets his entire life. Like I said, it’s not surprising but it is disappointing.

Do the players want it? Or 99.9% of fans. The unequal guaranteed slots are already a travesty that has surely upset the football gods. In any fair world the “lesser conferences” will go on a ten year run of dominance. Boosters, unite.
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Is the 6th or 7th seed in NFL likely Super Bowl material? No, but it still gets massive TV ratings

I don't think it's any worse. 14 out of 32 make the playoff in the NFL
 

Some guy said:
Thats why I don’t think it’ll happen


I don’t think there’ll ever be a real contract with players if you mean collective bargaining. It would limit compensation for the best players so I’m not sure why they would join in the collective bargaining effort
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The tyranny of the majority has already occurred with the current agreement so I don’t see why it would be any different if the players organize and toss out the current nonsense (notwithstanding the future effects or controversy sparked by the laughably stupid 1984ish doublespeak executive order issued last month).
 

GopherGrit said:
Is the 6th or 7th seed in NFL likely Super Bowl material? No, but it still gets massive TV ratings

I don't think it's any worse. 14 out of 32 make the playoff in the NFL
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The NFL teams are very closely matched in terms of roster strength and depth. I don’t think that’s ever been the case in college football. Ever so slowly there has been some amount of spreading of the wealth but that’s still a distant fairytale at this point. A little sister program needs a rich uncle benefactor or benefactors to really make the leap.
 

Some guy said:
I have asked for 24 before
I haven’t seen much over 25

24 would be every conference champs.
Some leagues get 2, 3, 4 etc based on a 5 year coefficient rating based on RPI of teams in leagues.


For instance in 24 over the last 5 years. (Making this up but it should be a mathematical formula)
SEC: 5
Big ten: 5
Big 12: 3
ACC: 3
American: 2
Mountain West: 1
MAC: 1
Sun Belt: 1
Conference USA: 1
PAC 7-8(if they get to 8 teams to qualify as a conference: 1


At large: 1 (2 if pac 12 didn’t get to 8)

But I don’t think this ever happens because that’s too much revenue for the big 2 or 4 leagues to give to other leagues. So it’s actually kind of big that the big ten commissioner is the one suggesting it

24 is a nice number.
Teams 9-16 get a home game.
5-8 get a bye and a home game
1-4 get a bye and two home games
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I'm against byes for anyone. I say stop at 16.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The tyranny of the majority has already occurred with the current agreement so I don’t see why it would be any different if the players organize and toss out the current nonsense (notwithstanding the future effects or controversy sparked by the laughably stupid 1984ish doublespeak executive order issued last month).
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Because current federal case law says you can’t be forced into a union against your wishes
 

50PoundHead said:
I'm against byes for anyone. I say stop at 16.
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Fair take

I think 16 is too big if there are only 5 auto bids
Should be more auto bids than at larges in my opinion.

So at 16 I would like top 9 conference champs
With 5 conference champs I like 8
With 12, would love top 7 conference chanps


The expansion of bids doesn’t devalue the regular season, the expansion of at larges does
 

Some guy said:
Because current federal case law says you can’t be forced into a union against your wishes
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Antitrust laws, employment status will be decided by the courts, or Congress; not our distinguished president.

I don’t think it’s over.

No employee can be “forced” to do anything. An NFL player can calculate its worth to them. Seems like most see the benefits, since employers have to deal with the union and nfl rules anyway.

The question is how does the NCAA limit player nil and compensation without running afoul of the law of the land. I don’t know. Do you?
 

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