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I have to admit being surprised to see that Austin Hollins clocked 29 minutes in the St. Joe game while Rodney had 8. Only Mbakwe and Blake had more minutes. Austin had decent numbers for a freshman on the road, 6 points, 4 assists, 1 turnover, 2 for 2 from the charity stripe, and 4 steals.

Austin had 18 minutes in the Cornell game with 3 assists and 3 steals while Rodney had 22 minutes.

Is Rodney's ankle bothering him more than we had thought or is something else going on?

Any thoughts?
 


Section201 said:
Is Rodney's ankle bothering him more than we had thought or is something else going on?

Any thoughts?
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Rodney is probably just resting up for the NBA draft combine that is only several months away. First rounder, I hear.

I think* Austin has had 10 steals in his last 3 games... should be able to pick up a few again Saturday... nice work, young fella

Go Gophs eh? said:
rodney was supposedly in foul trouble.
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Only problem with that theory is you get 5 fouls before you're out of a game... (didn't he have just 2 all game??).
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Rodney is probably just resting up for the NBA draft combine that is only several months away. First rounder, I hear.

I think* Austin has had 10 steals in his last 3 games... should be able to pick up a few again Saturday... nice work, young fella



Only problem with that theory is you get 5 fouls before you're out of a game... (didn't he have just 2 all game??).
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gw, lol :D

And, yes to Rodney having 2 fouls total.
 


Rodney just is not that useful to us until he either:

1. Improves his shot from outside of 15 feet.
2. Starts driving to the basket.

End of story. He is useful on the offensive boards, but it helps so much when we have that 2nd or 3rd player on the court who can really stretch out the defense.

If we are starting RSIII, Trevor, Al (when he gets back), Blake and Rodney, we only have one legit 3 point threat. For now, we have Devoe starting in place of Al, and that gives us a second guy who can knock down the long ball.

I will be very interested to see the starting lineup when Al gets back, and I will not be surprised at all if Al, Devoe and Blake are all starting in a 3 guard lineup.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Rodney is probably just resting up for the NBA draft combine that is only several months away. First rounder, I hear.

I think* Austin has had 10 steals in his last 3 games... should be able to pick up a few again Saturday... nice work, young fella



Only problem with that theory is you get 5 fouls before you're out of a game... (didn't he have just 2 all game??).
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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 

Why do you feel the need to keep taking shots at Rodney for the NBA talks? Should he remove himself from NBA draft projections? Obviously he hasn't performed well enough to deserve those projections, but he isn't the one making them, and tons of players are drafted without great college production. I don't know why you need to keep making the same sarcastic comments about our own player, especially when he seems like a good guy.

Gopher Warrior said:
Rodney is probably just resting up for the NBA draft combine that is only several months away. First rounder, I hear.
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Section201 said:
Is Rodney's ankle bothering him more than we had thought or is something else going on?
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Of course, something else is going on. That something else is, Austin Hollins. He's playing a lot better than Rodney is on the defensive end. Coach Smith probably wants to use this as a way to motivate Rodney. It's probably a tactic he should use with Mo Williams/RS3, save for the fact that Ralph would probably check out for the rest of the season if he got benched.
 



underground629 said:
Why do you feel the need to keep taking shots at Rodney for the NBA talks? Should he remove himself from NBA draft projections? Obviously he hasn't performed well enough to deserve those projections, but he isn't the one making them, and tons of players are drafted without great college production. I don't know why you need to keep making the same sarcastic comments about our own player, especially when he seems like a good guy.
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+1
 

underground629 said:
Why do you feel the need to keep taking shots at Rodney for the NBA talks? Should he remove himself from NBA draft projections? Obviously he hasn't performed well enough to deserve those projections, but he isn't the one making them, and tons of players are drafted without great college production. I don't know why you need to keep making the same sarcastic comments about our own player, especially when he seems like a good guy.
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You're so close to understanding, but just coming up short - it's not at all a shot at Rodney. It's completely a shot at how stupid the 'projections' are and how idiotic the people that cite those 'projections' are. It is not at all a comment about Williams.

"tons of players are drafted without great college production." OK, tell me about some... since there are tons, can you give me more than 1 or 2 examples from this past draft? Guys that played college ball but didn't do much?

I love Rodney and hope he does play in the NBA one day.. go look back at this forum and the local and national media.. and see how many times Rodney Williams and NBA comes up. Then tell me if it's not ... a bit much. (tempered my wording there)

I understand where you're coming from, but I hope you can understand how I can be near vomiting everywhere when I hear about how every Gopher is a flippin NBA caliber guy. It gets silly. Very silly.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
"tons of players are drafted without great college production." OK, tell me about some... since there are tons, can you give me more than 1 or 2 examples from this past draft? Guys that played college ball but didn't do much?
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Off the top of my head... Daniel Orton. He apparently averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks a game last year for Kentucky.
 

centerofmn said:
Off the top of my head... Daniel Orton. He apparently averaged 3.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks a game last year for Kentucky.
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It doesn't need to be off the top of your head... the line of questioning was... "OK, tell me about some... since there are tons, can you give me more than 1 or 2 examples from this past draft? Guys that played college ball but didn't do much?"

Naming one guy from the #1 seed in the tourney doesn't seem like a ton to me... btw, he was coming back from a major injury on that #1 team. BTW, since you gave your argument as to 'the tons of players', tell me about how his numbers thus far into the 2010-11 NBA season are looking?
 



wlm said:
Of course, something else is going on. That something else is, Austin Hollins. He's playing a lot better than Rodney is on the defensive end. Coach Smith probably wants to use this as a way to motivate Rodney. It's probably a tactic he should use with Mo Williams/RS3, save for the fact that Ralph would probably check out for the rest of the season if he got benched.
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Agreed, especially on the Ralph/Mo idea. Love the numbers Mo puts up for his time. he may not be able to handle more than another 6-8 mins. He really appears more motivated to get good low position & retain it long enough for guards to get him the ball.

I don't know if Rodney can hit the mid-range, but I'd love to see them use him more as a slasher than a 3pt shooter. Austin is a pleasant surprise to be pushing Rodney for PT.

Go Gophers!
 

Besides the obvious lack of a consistent jumper and ability to consistently drive to the hole, Rodney seems to struggle with the same problem as Ralph--lapses in concentration and energy that often result in turnovers. While Austin obviously has room to improve as a freshman, I definitely feel better with him out there right now than with Rodney. Hopefully Rodney will develop as the season goes on...

I also agree with centerofmn. I would love to see a three guard lineup when al gets back. Regardless, we will definitely have some good options when that happens (hopefully soon!).
 

I'm not sure that I believe your Rodney comments have been entirely aimed at people making fun of the people who make the projections, but if they have, I've misinterpreted your posts and apologize. Regardless of intention, however, they still are somewhat shots at Rodney.

Here's what I said... "tons of players are drafted without great college production"
You realize I'm not just talking about being drafted in the first round, right? And I was including international ball too (that's included in not having great college production). And I never said tons of players are drafted without great college production each year. I was just saying that tons of players have been drafted without great college production. Of course a lot of them don't end up making rosters. Here are some of the recent names off the top of my tired head: Orton, Holiday, Jennings, Mullens, Griffin's brother, and god knows how many international players the Wolves, among other teams, have drafted.

Oh, I realize how much NBA talk there has been about Rodney. I think it's ridiculous too. But I don't make sarcastic comments about how absurd that is. I understand people occasionally doing it, but it's far from occasional around here. Wouldn't you agree that people on here take an excessive amount of shots at Rodney because they're annoyed that he's projected to be drafted and hasn't performed very well for us?

I also think it's kind of funny how many people think so many current gopher players are NBA caliber. However, getting drafted and being NBA caliber are much different things. I don't see any of our current players having careers in the NBA. Maybe a player or two is drafted late, but that doesn't mean they even make rosters or see any minutes.

Wow. Way too tired. Not sure if this post makes any sense, but players are drafted in sports based mainly on potential all the time (see Al Davis for examples). We've seen plenty of players drafted due to great size or athleticism, not production.

Gopher Warrior said:
You're so close to understanding, but just coming up short - it's not at all a shot at Rodney. It's completely a shot at how stupid the 'projections' are and how idiotic the people that cite those 'projections' are. It is not at all a comment about Williams.

"tons of players are drafted without great college production." OK, tell me about some... since there are tons, can you give me more than 1 or 2 examples from this past draft? Guys that played college ball but didn't do much?

I love Rodney and hope he does play in the NBA one day.. go look back at this forum and the local and national media.. and see how many times Rodney Williams and NBA comes up. Then tell me if it's not ... a bit much. (tempered my wording there)

I understand where you're coming from, but I hope you can understand how I can be near vomiting everywhere when I hear about how every Gopher is a flippin NBA caliber guy. It gets silly. Very silly.
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I wouldn't say that was his argument, probably just an example. Also, the argument was never about NBA production. It was about being drafted without much college production. Orton fits that description.

Gopher Warrior said:
BTW, since you gave your argument as to 'the tons of players', tell me about how his numbers thus far into the 2010-11 NBA season are looking?
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centerofmn said:
Rodney just is not that useful to us until he either:

1. Improves his shot from outside of 15 feet.
2. Starts driving to the basket.

End of story. He is useful on the offensive boards, but it helps so much when we have that 2nd or 3rd player on the court who can really stretch out the defense.

If we are starting RSIII, Trevor, Al (when he gets back), Blake and Rodney, we only have one legit 3 point threat. For now, we have Devoe starting in place of Al, and that gives us a second guy who can knock down the long ball.

I will be very interested to see the starting lineup when Al gets back, and I will not be surprised at all if Al, Devoe and Blake are all starting in a 3 guard lineup.[/QUOTE]

This is a good exampe of 'who starts' is not as important as who gets miniutes. Al, Devoe and Hoff on the floor at the same time would be our strongest and most experienced line-up. If those three average around 33 min per game that would still leave around 20 min for another player to be at the 3(sf or third person on the floor). This would mean that barring injury or foul trouble, those three would play together only around half the game on a consistent basis.

Austin, Rodney and Chip would/will have to pick up those 20+ min. Paul Carter would be perfect for that role.
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Rodney is still getting lost on defense. Did anybody mention the raining of 3's from the wing by our opposition? Oh, and Rodney has fouled the 3-point shooter....how many times?
 

On the line-up. I thought it was interesting to see the only big man on the floor was Mbakwe. Mav, Hoff, Devoe, and Hollins/Armelin for a few minutes during the St Joe game.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Rodney is probably just resting up for the NBA draft combine that is only several months away. First rounder, I hear.

I think* Austin has had 10 steals in his last 3 games... should be able to pick up a few again Saturday... nice work, young fella



Only problem with that theory is you get 5 fouls before you're out of a game... (didn't he have just 2 all game??).
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Good stuff.
 

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