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They ain't got chit verballed this year. You'd think he would have ridden the good NIU record to a decent MAC class.

Please keep Hammock and recruit better than Mason.
 

My biggest question with Coach Kill won't be about X's and O's it is can he recruit with the big boys in the Big 10. He had better get someone savvy to help him with recruiting that will be able to land some of the big fish. Recruiting IS important........I do agree with Tim Brewster on that one.
 


They ain't got chit verballed this year. You'd think he would have ridden the good NIU record to a decent MAC class.

Please keep Hammock and recruit better than Mason.

All MAC teams get the majority of their commits late in the process. This is because many of their commits are kids that were hoping to get bcs offers but didn't.
 

I would love to see Hammock and Lee stick around...they are both solid recruiters (from what I can tell)
 


Big Ten networks take on recruiting

The commentators on the Big Ten Network were stating that if Coach Kill brings over most of his NIU staff....the assistants will have a bigger learning curve than Coach Kill. They were saying that the recruiting battles get fiercer and more important. I suppose there are fewer top tier kids and you have to have top tier kids to compete in an elite conference. If Coach Kill keeps some of the better recruiters...it may help the new Assistant Coaches. I don't think Brewster was a good head coach but I think he and his staff could recruit.
 



Amen,

+1

"Playing hard" and "giving effort" only gets you so far.

after every game this last year, the first comment from Brewster was always "our boys played hard, I am really proud of them." I realize that part of the problem was that Brewster and Cosgrove in particular didn't seem able to scheme or adjust effectively, and maybe Coach Kill can do better. But it also seems to me that it is quite possible that Brewster was just not that good of a recruiter and no matter how hard the guys played, they weren't going to win. Unfortunately, Coach Kill does not have as much experience as Brewster in recruiting at the Big Ten or AQ level or as magnetic of a personality and so I do not expect that he will be as effective as Brewster. Let's hope something changes, because if not, 3 years from now we are going to be in even deeper of a hole than we are now. What that something will be I don't know - how do you turn Coach Kill into Mack Brown or Nich Saban?
 



My biggest question with Coach Kill won't be about X's and O's it is can he recruit with the big boys in the Big 10.

:eek:

hehehehehe suuuuuuuure
 

I agree with others here that recruiting will be the biggest challenge for Kill and I hope he keeps a couple of the better recruiters not named Butler on the coaching staff. Even if he gets enough linemen out of Minnesota and the Upper Midwest, he's still going to need to find skilled position guys who aren't someone's leftovers and the competition for those guys will be more keen at this level.
 

I agree with others here that recruiting will be the biggest challenge for Kill and I hope he keeps a couple of the better recruiters not named Butler on the coaching staff. Even if he gets enough linemen out of Minnesota and the Upper Midwest, he's still going to need to find skilled position guys who aren't someone's leftovers and the competition for those guys will be more keen at this level.

I agree with this despite what I posted...it is a legit question because he's never been in the position of recruiting against the top schools. I'm just saying don't assume he can't just because he didn't at NIU.
 

Can someone tell me this major difference between recruiting in the MAC compared to the B10 besides this invisible barrier? You do the same thing. You sell yourself, you sell the program. I don't judge a recruiting class until I see them on the field. No recruiting service has any type of focus in the MW anyways. Many of these scouts focus on a main state, and then cover the area around them. Like a Texas stationed scout, going to Oklahoma, and Louisiana as well. Or a Florida scout going to Alabama and Georgia. There is basically no recruiting service site scouts in this area. They generally judge Minnesota kids by the few game tapes that they have of them, which is why you don't see rankings on most Minnesota kids until there is a tape. Of course we have Minnesota mods who recommend ratings to the service, but after talking to them, the big wigs don't put too much stock into what they say anyways.
 



I agree with others here that recruiting will be the biggest challenge for Kill and I hope he keeps a couple of the better recruiters not named Butler on the coaching staff. Even if he gets enough linemen out of Minnesota and the Upper Midwest, he's still going to need to find skilled position guys who aren't someone's leftovers and the competition for those guys will be more keen at this level.

Out of curiousity, why not Butler?

The guy is probably the most likely to stick around (him and Davis) because he has coached multiple spots (LB, DL, special teams) throughout his career and he is the one with the best connections to the state of Texas and has done some of the best recruiting in state.
 

Let's hope something changes, because if not, 3 years from now we are going to be in even deeper of a hole than we are now. What that something will be I don't know - how do you turn Coach Kill into Mack Brown or Nich Saban?

Well now, that's a little over dramatic, isn't it? Coach Kill doesn't have to be Mack Brown or Nick Saban, and in reality very few coaches are able to recruit like those two can.

I keep thinking of the Joe Tiller hire at Purdue. Prior to landing the Boiler gig, he'd been a pretty good head coach at Wyoming for all of six years with fairly middling results (3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons culminating in the 10-2 season that got him the job at Purdue). In my opinion Kill has proven himself over a much longer period of time and in a much more diverse variety of circumstances, but anyway back to the point, he and Kill are very similar in that both are very low-key individuals, neither have what could even remotely be described as magnetic personalities, and there were the same doubts about Tiller at Purdue..."How on earth is this guy EVER going to bring recruits in here????", and the truth is he didn't initially hit out of the park home runs with his recruiting class rankings, in fact he never did and never could compete with the likes of Michigan or Ohio State. That's just the way of the world, and you make the best with what you're realistically able to get.

So he brought in average classes at best, but what the guy DID have going for him was a concrete philosophy and a plan, and a scheme to which he could fit players into that could allow his team to be competitive and to win big in the Big Ten. In other words, he coached them up. He found players that could fit his schemes, he brought them in and he maximized their abilities, and then of course success feeds upon itself and winning brought him in even higher quality of recruits despite his low-key demeanor and less than magnetic personality and the fact that he was coaching at Purdue.

So recruiting is just one part of the equation. Schemes, an idea, a foundation and a plan along with the ability to teach players how to play the game and how to maximize their skills while able to meld them to your schemes, those things are huge. That's how Tiller found success, that's how Kill has found success to this point in his career, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that he cannot continue on with that.

This 'woe is us, we're doomed' stuff is just over the top in my opinion.
 




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