An eyeball survey...GHer expectations for tOSU matchup...

[NewEngland_Gold]

seem to be in the toilet this week...all things considered, that might actually be positive.

 

[calminnfan]

Unknown...A little of it depends on whether OS bounces back with attitude or if they are in the doldrums like Mich was last year. Given the continuity of the team that seems unlikely, but they may have some issues right now and the Gophers may have a chance to do what Purdue did.

 

[wait!what?]

Maybe not in the toilet, it could be like an 'upper decker' that was mentioned on 'The Office'.

 

[Goldmember]

96% though we would lose this game going into the season (more than though we would lose to Penn State). I think their loss to Purdooo has people beliveing that an upset is even less likely than before.

This game didn't get any easier to win in the last week. But that's going to be the national perception. At this point, a Gopher win would be overshadowed by the story of the Buckeyes in freefall. It has become more important to win this game, even though it will attract less attention than it would have if Purdue had lost. The Buckeye's position at the top of the Big Ten is threatened this year. A Gopher win this week would be real. Not some upset or fluke.

 

[Schnauzer]

Get on 'em early. They are already doubting themselves and if the Gophers could pop a turnover early it would be HUGE. Still deserve to be underdogs and the Gophers will still likely lose the game but I am of the belief the doubts in OSU's mind after the Purdue loss outweigh the "anger" they may feel over that loss.

 

[dpodoll68]

A Gopher win this week would be real. Not some upset or fluke.

So, a team not only covering a 17.5 point spread, but winning outright, would not be an upset? Huh. Interesting.

 

[Goldmember]

Upset was a media terminology long before it was used by weekend gamblers. And the point of my post was pretty clear if you're not a moron. If Minnesota wins they are 5-3 (3-2) and so is OSU. So, a Minnesota win isn't going to look like some huge anomolly. The media will not cover the story as an upset this week. They would focus on the fact that that OSu is essentially in the middle-of-the pack in the Big Ten and has three good opponents left to play.

 

[dpodoll68]

Upset was a media terminology long before it was used by weekend gamblers. And the point of my post was pretty clear if you're not a moron. If Minnesota wins they are 5-3 (3-2) and so is OSU. So, a Minnesota win isn't going to look like some huge anomolly. The media will not cover the story as an upset this week. They would focus on the fact that that OSu is essentially in the middle-of-the pack in the Big Ten and has three good opponents left to play.

Actually, I'm not a moron. And your post is false. And the term "upset" has been used in this context since at least the late 19th c., and most likely came into widespread use after the horse Upset handed Man O'War the only defeat of his career. So I highly doubt that it's a media creation. Nice try, though.

And there is no way, shape or form that a victory in this game could be construed as anything less than a huge upset. A three-score point spread does not lie. It will be a huge upset if Minnesota wins, and the media will cover it as such. Ohio St. may be down a little this year, but it will still be a monumental upset if Minnesota wins, regardless of circumstances. The "Ohio St. collapsing" angle would be covered, but the media would still treat it as an upset, which it would be.

 

[frozengopher]

...And the point of my post was pretty clear if you're not a moron.

Understatement of the year.

 

[frozengopher]

And the term "upset" has been used in this context since at least the late 19th c., and most likely came into widespread use after the horse Upset handed Man O'War the only defeat of his career. So I highly doubt that it's a media creation.

Um, false. Upset actually came into context during the mid 500's B.C. during the Trojan Wars. Homer wrote about it in the Iliad. Something to the effect of, "And so Odysseus gained entry into the mighty city of Troy by gift of the wooden horse aptly named 'Upset', and opened the gates for the hordes of Greek warriors to sack it. And Agammemnon said, 'Hahaha STFU Trojan newbs, you just got pwned. Upset FTW!'"

I believe that this is slightly more accurate than some crude reference to horse racing. I mean, seriously. WTF?

 

[dpodoll68]

I believe that this is slightly more accurate than some crude reference to horse racing. I mean, seriously. WTF?

If you have not heard that reference, don't admit it and prove yourself to be an idiot.

 

[frozengopher]

Honest to goodness! I love our one way conversations. You're by far my favorite poster on here because you actually seem to be an actual fan; every once in awhile you provide a thought provoking comment. However, you seem to go out of your way to take glancing blows at specfic posts you don't feel are correct as well (see your initial entry in this thread).

Take a timeout and attempt to read into my good natured jabs at the shiatzu massage you are giving to your ego every time you post. We know you're intelligent. Trying to prove that to everyone and making belittling comments towards them in the process is not constructive (I won't call you out for cutting and pasting the origin of upset from wikipedia because I'm above that ).

Shame shame, dpodoll. At the rate you're going, I'll be the only person on here who would buy you a beer

 

[dpodoll68]

Honest to goodness! I love our one way conversations. You're by far my favorite poster on here because you actually seem to be an actual fan; every once in awhile you provide a thought provoking comment. However, you seem to go out of your way to take glancing blows at specfic posts you don't feel are correct as well (see your initial entry in this thread).

Take a timeout and attempt to read into my good natured jabs at the shiatzu massage you are giving to your ego every time you post. We know you're intelligent. Trying to prove that to everyone and making belittling comments towards them in the process is not constructive (I won't call you out for cutting and pasting the origin of upset from wikipedia because I'm above that ).

Shame shame, dpodoll. At the rate you're going, I'll be the only person on here who would buy you a beer

If you are being sincere with the above, why did you wait until your 221st post to say it? You've done nothing but mock and ridicule my posts from the first day you started posting. Excuse me for not being able to glean context from the written word. If this is all on the up-and-up, you sure have a funny way of showing admiration.

(Rather, what is more likely is that this is your attempt to disarm me in order to provide more fodder for your scorn and derision. Well played.)

When somebody makes a lazy, stupid, or ill-informed opinion, I generally let it roll off my back, because that's just what it is - an opinion. But when someone says something ridiculous like "there are 5 Minnesota HS coaches who would be a better OC than Fisch" or "Mason left Brewster just as much talent as Wacker left him" or "the media would not treat a Minnesota victory over OSU as an upset", and tries to pass it off as fact, then I'm sorry, I just can't bite my proverbial tongue. Call it a weakness.

I'd honestly rather just talk Gophers, but I'm constantly forced to respond to the frozengopher/KoolAid/Maximus/Schnoodler/GopherFan75/DieHardGopher/WriterGoph contingent (am I leaving out any members of the troupe?) who can't help themselves from interjecting into practically every discussion I have on here. It's so cliché and predictable, and it gets kind of old after a while.

Oh, and I didn't lift that reference from wikipedia (though I am surprised no one has tagged it or removed it, as it currently unsourced). I've been an amateur etymologist from the time I was very young, and I've read that in several etymology books in my collection. I even considered majoring in linguistics because of it, until I realized the practical implications of that and thought better of it. I could say more, but I'll leave it at that at the risk of inciting the ire of the Anti-DP Brigade©.

 

[thailleagle]

Only on GopherHole would Minnesota beating Ohio State *NOT* be considered an Upset.......WOW.......

 

[Go Gophers Rah]

And yet another hijacked post.

On topic: My "eyeball survey" shows a mix of extremes. Many people at one end feeling like we're going to get killed and many people on the other end feeling that OSU is on the ropes and ripe for a beatin'. Kind of like politics -- most people these days seem to be at one extreme or anoter. I digress. I am in the small minority who see something in the middle. A loss to OSU, but not a beatdown. Not quite respectable (ie we won't be in a position to win anytime in the 2nd half), but not embarrassing either. Enough positives that we can go into prep for MSU with a good deal of optimism.

Off Topic - Depodoll, for as long as I have been aware of you as a poster (spring 09?), it seems to me that you want to pick out some little detail in other peoples' posts and relentlessly criticize them about it. You've done it to me on several occassions (the one that stands out most was related to my claim that Cal is a poor road team). You dig in and won't let it go and your argumentative ways take posts off in a topic all unto themselves.
Why do you have a need to so strongly disprove and discredit fellow Gopher fans over fairly minor and academic points (like wheter the usage of upset is correct or not). Most people here are stating opinion, but you treat them as if they were claiming a fact. This is not a courtroom and people are not presenting evidence. So just stop with all the cross-examination.

 

[StPaulHawkeye]

FWIW, I have a good feeling about Minnesota's chances in Columbus this weekend. I think there is significant internal and external pressure on Tressel and the players and I think that they will come out a little too tight and make some mistakes early. The big IF follows: IF Minnesota can capitalize on these early mistakes, the Gophers just might get tOSU thinking, "oh no, here we go again" or they will tighten up even more and press too hard. Again, leading to more mistakes. Just my thought...

 

[washgopher]

we get shut out again

could be a very boring no scoring game

 

[dpodoll68]

Off Topic - Depodoll, for as long as I have been aware of you as a poster (spring 09?), it seems to me that you want to pick out some little detail in other peoples' posts and relentlessly criticize them about it. You've done it to me on several occassions (the one that stands out most was related to my claim that Cal is a poor road team). You dig in and won't let it go and your argumentative ways take posts off in a topic all unto themselves.
Why do you have a need to so strongly disprove and discredit fellow Gopher fans over fairly minor and academic points (like wheter the usage of upset is correct or not). Most people here are stating opinion, but you treat them as if they were claiming a fact. This is not a courtroom and people are not presenting evidence. So just stop with all the cross-examination.

I have been posting for much longer than that, for the record. And I never pick out some "minor and academic" point. I always critique something that is integral to the point of the whole post. And like I've already said, something that is clearly an opinion I generally leave alone. It's when people state something that can be easily disproven (aka a fact or falsehood) is when I speak up.

And to rehash it again, since you brought it up, the whole Cal road thing was dumb. Ninety-nine point nine percent of all road teams, at every level, everywhere, play far worse on the road than they do at home. So what's the point of bringing it up? It's like saying "water is good for you" or "Europeans are from Europe". Just like it's your right to bring up trite and meaningless information, it's my right to call out its lacking of any relevance to anything whatsoever.

The better question is, why do you care? Why is my pointing out falsehoods and inaccuracies any worse than wasting a post by commenting on it, like is done on so many of my posts? Sure, some of what I critique is not important in the grand scheme of things, but far more often it is so. Like saying we play South Dakota this year. Or saying that MarQueis Gray could still redshirt this year. Or that Tim Brewster hasn't had a top 20 recruiting class. I could go on ad infinitum.

So I'm supposed to just sit back and not correct misinformation, especially for people who may not know any better, when I know it's wrong? Sorry, not gonna happen. You're just barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Go Gophers Rah]

What a sense of self-superiority.

 

[dpodoll68]

What a sense of self-superiority.

So you can say whatever you want, and I don't have the right to respond?

Good retort.

 

[frozengopher]

And to rehash it again, since you brought it up, the whole Cal road thing was dumb.

Way to mend fences. I think you should've skipped the whole etymology thing when you were young and concentrated on communication and humility.

Props for usage of Admiral Ackbar though. Return of the Jedi = classic.

 

[Goldmember]

Upset was a media terminology long before it was used by weekend gamblers. And the point of my post was pretty clear if you're not a moron. If Minnesota wins they are 5-3 (3-2) and so is OSU. So, a Minnesota win isn't going to look like some huge anomolly. The media will not cover the story as an upset this week. They would focus on the fact that that OSu is essentially in the middle-of-the pack in the Big Ten and has three good opponents left to play.

Myron Medcalf didn't ask my opionion before he wrote this.

As disapointed as some people are about this season, a win would make Minnesota equals with OSU. And it probably would stay that way for the season. Significant because it that's happened, I think, twice in the last 25 years.

I'm predicting an upset! But hopefully it won't still look like an upset when the Gophers go the the Champs Sports Bowl and the Buckeyes go to the Insight Bowl.