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There was a lot of debate about slavery. Even many of the slaveholding founding fathers abhorred it and saw the conflict, and predicted it would cause the US major problems in the future.
Agreed. That is the predicament. The problem is how do we deal with not only the 'original sin', but how do we fully and justly put forth a more complete and encompassing history?

Our peaceful dialog here is evidence enough that there is more to this story.

Inclusion of the conflict alone rather than a drive-by gloss over would go along way to healing our nation.

The debate has been going on for a very long time.

Omission and twisting of history...

https://www.localmemphis.com/articl...outh/522-aa3185da-142b-48b2-b64e-f44fa70e5309

The incomplete and false history has lead to others telling their own story.

https://www.naacp.org/naacp-history-carter-g-woodson/

We could go on and on forever, but the compromise alone speaks to subjugation.

Wasn't the Boston Tea Party (the original and only) about rebelling against Taxation without representation?

Would free labor (think 100% taxation) without representation not be contradictory go against that fight?

Continuing on this tangent angle, did not a Stevedore named Crispus Attucks lay down his life in the Boston Massacre. An event that helped spark the American Revolution?

Another link discussing the debate going on in Tennessee: https://www.localmemphis.com/amp/ar...ools/522-9a752ec8-5dce-4fb8-b8ce-80310a1b71c7
 

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Those are separate points to the 3/5 compromise. The anti slavery north wanted to count them as zero humans. The pro slavery south wanted them counted as full humans. But no one would seriously argue that the south considered slaves more fully human than the north. It’s a backward argument.

slavery was a very old world relic. It was the enlightenment movement, which became the basis for our founding, that was responsible for eliminating it.
This could turn into a very long debate. One of which I will not continue.

I will just restate one of my initial points. It was and is also about consequence and lack of inclusion.

History, if you follow timelines, will show that positions such as Lafferty's do nothing but perpetuate an incomplete story at best. Whether one agrees, or disagrees with the 1619 project, the defense of excluding histories will continue to generate such debates.
 

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You are going to have to work on this take a bit harder. What ever the number was, they didn't have a say in it, and that is the problem, rather than the number. If they had been counted as 3/5, 0, or 1, they were still slaves, who had zero say in the matter. "Well, yeah, we could have made it zero, and you would have been better of, but we didn't", isn't really a quality retort.
Who has a ”say” in political negotiations? Me? You? White people? Black people?

Do I have a “say” in the now $2.5 trillion infrastructure legislation? No.

Politicians negotiate an agreement or they do nothing.

We can all agree, slavery was a terrible thing. So are a lot of things in history. Wars, holocausts, tyranny, it’s all happened in the past. Isn’t it terrible?

Unfortunately, you can’t undo history.
 

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You are going to have to work on this take a bit harder. What ever the number was, they didn't have a say in it, and that is the problem, rather than the number. If they had been counted as 3/5, 0, or 1, they were still slaves, who had zero say in the matter. "Well, yeah, we could have made it zero, and you would have been better of, but we didn't", isn't really a quality retort.
Not to mention all of the free men that suffered from this. The powerless but free were easily captured and enslaved. Unintended consequence, but one of many none the less.
 

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I appreciate the effort, but I don’t really think I’m likely to go thru all of those links.
Understood. It's not that serious. I just believe in providing links/ sources that may or may not add support to my view point(s).

Peace!
 


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Who has a ”say” in political negotiations? Me? You? White people? Black people?

Do I have a “say” in the now $2.5 trillion infrastructure legislation? No.

Politicians negotiate an agreement or they do nothing.

We can all agree, slavery was a terrible thing. So are a lot of things in history. Wars, holocausts, tyranny, it’s all happened in the past. Isn’t it terrible?

Unfortunately, you can’t undo history.
Apparently, you can't challenge it either...
 
















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Doesn't that actually hurt your case since it's sarcastic?
I’m just amazed at how you and Howie find all this content.
I don’t think anyone considers Buffett a cancel culture victim. It’s a nice try by him. It’s like people who get busted with awful behavior and then check into rehab.
 

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Was there a large social media campaign against her? The AP absolutely sucks ass now, but not because of this woman. I didn’t see a lot of calls for her firing and the AP is a hard core prog outlet now.
 

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Was there a large social media campaign against her? The AP absolutely sucks ass now, but not because of this woman. I didn’t see a lot of calls for her firing and the AP is a hard core prog outlet now.

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UNC and Right-wing Cancel Culture

UNC's cherished history of excellence is being challenged by right-wing political yahoos interfering in its academic affairs. The latest is the refusal of the Chapel Hill board of trustees to grant tenure to New York Times journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones for an endowed Knight chair at the Hussman School of Journalism.

Hannah-Jones, who is Black, authored the Times’ “1619 Project” about race in America, a favorite target of the political right.Chuck Duckett, the UNC trustee who officially put tenure for Jones on hold, said it was concern over her academic qualifications. Then last week he admitted he'd just seen her tenure dossier and curricula vitae the day before.

Hannah-Jones has an impressive career with in-depth investigative work on issues like the resegregation of schools; she ended up at the Times six years ago. She was awarded a McArthur “genius” fellowship to study for a year, and later won a Pulitzer Prize. Jill Abramson, who was executive editor of the Times before Jones joined, told me: “She is a fantastic journalist.”

The anti-Hannah-Jones drumbeat has been leveling farcical charges: One group claimed she is a creation of “a powerful coalition with Democratic socialists, the media and ‘woke’ crony capitalists.” Another charged that students would have to “sit there and accept her beliefs if they're to get a good grade.” These groups have ties to the right-wing legislature — and to the university’s Board of Governors.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/556458-unc-and-right-wing-cancel-culture
 











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