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At the 2/3 mark of the Big 10 season, here's what I came up with last night. It was very difficult to leave a couple guys off the first team. The first 4 were easy. The fifth guy was tough to pick, tough to leave a couple guys off.

Coach of the Year: Ryan (Wisconsin)
Player of the Year: Turner (Ohio State) -- easiest choice of them all
Freshman/Newcomer of the Year: Crawford (Northwestern)

First-Team All-Big Ten: Lucas (Michigan State), McCamey (Illinois), Moore (Purdue) and Turner (Ohio State) were the no-brainers. For now I give the fifth and final nod to Shurna (Northwestern).

Hughes (Wisconsin) and Hummel (Purdue) are the two guys I really had a hard time leaving out of the top five. I suspect in the end one or both will make it at the expense of Shurna, with the coaches and/or writers giving the nod to an upperclassmen from a contender, not that either Hughes or Hummel aren't worthy.

Thoughts, disagreements?
 

Jajuan Johnson kind of disappeared for a stretch of games when Purdue was losing, but I'd still have a hard time picking Shurna over him for all big 10.

They also try to go by positions, but since there aren't many good PFs in the league right now, I can certainly understand putting Moore and Turner as your 2 forwards, but Hughes and Hummel aren't going to fill that C spot, where as you could consider both JJ and Shurna for that spot.

Ralph could legitimately be on that all big 10 team next year with some continued improvement, and that's a nice thought. I really hope he keeps up his recent play and maintains his focus and aggression and works on that rebounding.
 

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SelectionSunday said:
At the 2/3 mark of the Big 10 season, here's what I came up with last night. It was very difficult to leave a couple guys off the first team. The first 4 were easy. The fifth guy was tough to pick, tough to leave a couple guys off.

Coach of the Year: Ryan (Wisconsin)
Player of the Year: Turner (Ohio State) -- easiest choice of them all
Freshman/Newcomer of the Year: Crawford (Northwestern)

First-Team All-Big Ten: McCamey (Illinois), Lucas (Michigan State), Moore (Purdue) and Turner (Ohio State) were the no-brainers. For now I give the fifth and final nod to Shurna (Northwestern).

Hughes (Wisconsin) and Hummel (Purdue) are the two guys I really had a hard time leaving out of the top five. I suspect in the end one or both will make it at the expense of Shurna, with the coaches and/or writers giving the nod to an upperclassmen from a contender, not that either Hughes or Hummel aren't worthy.

Thoughts, disagreements?
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You are good at this. :clap::clap::clap:

My only player quibble would be Shurna over Hummel. I would take Robbie though their stats are amazingly similar. I do love a guy shooting 88% from the charity stripe so I lean to Hummel.

I am curious how you separated Shurna and Hummel.

Regarding Bo and COY, I think Weber has a shot if the Illini can survive it's last stretch of games.

Bo as COY does not set well with me but it is hard to argue with at this point. :(
 

Coach of the Year came down to 2 guys, Bo and Matta. Matta did a nice job keeping the Buckeyes afloat when Turner went down, but the bottom line for me was the Badgers for the most part were picked to finish 7th and Bo has them competing for a title. Three things I can count on (unfortunately). ... death, taxes and Bo pis*ing me off because no matter his personnel losses he gets it out of his players every single season.
 

I think Hummel should be in there too, but I may be biased. Good list though.
 


I love Hummel's game. Would certainly have no problem if he's a first-teamer.
 

I usually think of First team whatever as if I could build a team who would I take...

PG Kalin Lucas
SG Demetri McCamey
SF Evan Turner
PF Raymar Morgan
C Jajuan Johnson

I know it's tough because you're leaving out some great players but you can't put 3 SG on the same team...

2nd team

PG E'twaun Moore
SG Manny Harris
SF Robbie Hummel
PF John Shurna
C Mike Tisdale

3rd team

PG Trevon Hughes
SG Taylor Battle
SF William Buford
PF Draymond Green
C Ralph Sampson III

All defensive team

PG Al Nolen/Chris Kramer (Since Nolen is done I'd give it to Kramer)
SG Evan Turner
SF Damian Johnson
PF Dallas Lauderdale
C Ralph Sampson/Jujuan Johnson (Sampson avg more blocks in less minutes, but I'd give the nod to JJ)
 

Moore is a SG, and I'd definitely take him over McCamey.

Also, Johnson is terrible at defense. I hope he doesn't make the defensive team. There's much more to defense than having long arms.
 

COY Bo Ryan
Most improved John Shurna
Biggest snub Deshawn Sims
If it wasn't for injury Jon Leur
Best Shooter Blake Hoffarber
Best Dunker Durrell Summers
 



rcpratt said:
Moore is a SG, and I'd definitely take him over McCamey.

Also, Johnson is terrible at defense. I hope he doesn't make the defensive team. There's much more to defense than having long arms.
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That's why I said you can't put 3 SG on the same team...I just slid Evan Turner to SF, put McCamey in at SG on the 1st team and slid Moore to PG on the 2nd team because he'd be better bringing up the ball then Harris who I put at SG. It was tough but McCamey shoots a better percentage then Moore FG% wise and 3P% wise and he doesn't have the talent around him that Moore does so he faces more difficult shots in my opinion. That's why I gave him the nod on the 1st team
 

seli0046 said:
That's why I said you can't put 3 SG on the same team...I just slid Evan Turner to SF, put McCamey in at SG on the 1st team and slid Moore to PG on the 2nd team because he'd be better bringing up the ball then Harris who I put at SG. It was tough but McCamey shoots a better percentage then Moore FG% wise and 3P% wise and he doesn't have the talent around him that Moore does so he faces more difficult shots in my opinion. That's why I gave him the nod on the 1st team
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Oh okay, fair enough. Moore would be better than Harris handling the ball, although I would still personally would give him the #1 SG. McCamey and him are both good and they're both money late in games, it could go either way.
 

I know I'm completely biased but you could make a legit case for Johnson, Moore, and Hummel all to be on the 1st team all B10. Will that happen, doubtful. Right now I think Turner is the run away player of the year and Bo is coach of the year. I also think Kramer is Defensive POY. Right now I would go

1st team
PG: Lucas
SG: Moore
SF: Turner
PF: Hummel
C: Johnson

2nd team
PG: Hughes
SG: Battle
SF: McCamey
PF: Shurna
C: Tisdale

I know I'm completely biased and Hummel Moore and Johnson won't all make 1st team but honestly say that Johnson isn't the best big or Hummel isn't the best Foward/Glue Guy in the B10. I wouldn't argue with you about taking a couple of others guards(McCamey, Battle, Hughes) over Moore but the way Moore is playing right this year I don't know how you can say he how he hasn't earned being on the first team.

Freshmen: BTW does anyone else think this years freshmen class is really lean?
Barlow(Purdue)
Crawford(NW)
Hart(Purdue redshirt freshmen not sure if that counts)
Williams(Minn)
Uh...can any one else think of a freshmen that has a big impact on the season
 

Johnson has first team talent, but his lack of improvement over last season really bugs me, frankly. The guy has all the talent in the world, but he can't hit the weight room to get better and he simply looks lost or nonchalant for games at a time out there.

Maybe I'm too hard on my guys, but it just kills me to see so much talent not improved upon.
 



mnboiler said:
Freshmen: BTW does anyone else think this years freshmen class is really lean?
Barlow(Purdue)
Crawford(NW)
Hart(Purdue redshirt freshmen not sure if that counts)
Williams(Minn)
Uh...can any one else think of a freshmen that has a big impact on the season
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Terrible choices, no offense...have you watched any other games besides Purdue this year?

Christian Watford, DJ Richardson, Maurice Creek, etc. have all had much better seasons than both Barlow and Hart, and Williams for that matter. Barlow and Hart don't even belong in the conversation. Heck, even Jordan Hulls and Tim Frazier have had better seasons than those 2.
 

P.S. I think it's between Crawford (avg. 11 pt/4 reb) and Watford (12 pt/6 reb) for Big 10 Freshman of the Year, with Richardson at least in the conversation.
 

ALL BIG 10(thru Feb 11th)
1st team
PG- Turner
SG-McCarney
SF- Buford
PF - Hummel
C - Johnson

2nd team:
PG - Lucas
SG- Moore
SF- Morgan
PF- Sims
C - Tisdale

3rd Team:

PG - Hughes
SG - Battle
SF - D.Johnson
PF - Shurna
C - Sampson III

Others worth noting: Leuer, Westbrook, Lighty, Diebler, Summers, Creek, Sims, Harris, Kramer, Bohannon.

MVP - Turner
Coach - Ryan
Defensive POY - Johnson
 

My understanding is they don't go by position. That's stupid, if they do. An all-conference team should be the 5 best players, regardless of position.
 

g lucas
g battle
f turner
f hummel
c johnson
6th man draymond green coach-ryan poy-turner
 

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