Adam Weber's fumble/incompletepass (not a weber rip)

[Rosemountian]

Did anyone think that the reversal was poor?
I did, not because I thought he fumbled. In my opinion, he clearly threw the ball. The issue was, did it not land behind where Weber released it from (or at least parallel, which is still a fumble) and then bounce forward?
The replay official did such a good job of noticing it was a forward moving arm and not a fumble, that they failed to realize that the ball landed behind, or at the very least, parallel to where he released it from.


In my opinion, more Big Ten replay failure.

Am I the only one who saw this?

 

[Winnipegopher]

I thought exactly the same thing, the ball clearly went parallel or backward. Perhaps they only look at one thing on a challenge. Maybe MSU needed to throw their challenge flag on whether it was a lateral.

 

[tjgopher]

In the NFL this is 100% an incomplete pass because of the famous "tuck rule." Recall Tom Brady in the snow vs. Oakland. If you try to pass and change your mind and the ball slips out, it is an incomplete pass whether it goes forward or backwards.

I assume this is the NCAA rule, too, but am not for sure.

 

[Rosemountian]

In the NFL this is 100% an incomplete pass because of the famous "tuck rule." Recall Tom Brady in the snow vs. Oakland. If you try to pass and change your mind and the ball slips out, it is an incomplete pass whether it goes forward or backwards.

I assume this is the NCAA rule, too, but am not for sure.

Yes, but, if I am not mistaken, the Tuck rule is no longer valid in the NFL because of that game you mentioned. I think they changed it the next offseason.

I dont know what the rule is in college.

 

[tjgopher]

Yes, but, if I am not mistaken, the Tuck rule is no longer valid in the NFL because of that game you mentioned. I think they changed it the next offseason.

Nope, Tuck Rule is still in place.

NFL Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2, Note 2: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble."

 

[50PoundHead]

Didn't see the play, but I think the rule changes week-to-week. At least there doesn't seem to be a consistent interpretation.

 

[spackler]

It was definitely a lateral. I was very surprised that they ruled incomplete pass on that. Gophs caught a break!!

 

[GophersInIowa]

In the NFL this is 100% an incomplete pass because of the famous "tuck rule." Recall Tom Brady in the snow vs. Oakland. If you try to pass and change your mind and the ball slips out, it is an incomplete pass whether it goes forward or backwards.

I assume this is the NCAA rule, too, but am not for sure.

That's where I think you are wrong. If the ball leaves the QB hands and goes backwards, it should be called a fumble. Doesn't matter how the QB throws it.

 

[station19]

I didn't think about it at the time, but I think you might be right(backward pass).

 

[cncmin]

Did anyone think that the reversal was poor?
I did, not because I thought he fumbled. In my opinion, he clearly threw the ball. The issue was, did it not land behind where Weber released it from (or at least parallel, which is still a fumble) and then bounce forward?
The replay official did such a good job of noticing it was a forward moving arm and not a fumble, that they failed to realize that the ball landed behind, or at the very least, parallel to where he released it from.


In my opinion, more Big Ten replay failure.

Am I the only one who saw this?

absolutely it went backwards

 

[nsmike]

I watched the play, IMHO, it went about a foot forward. When Weber was hit he was knocked slightly forward making were the pass landed look parallel to the release point. In any case there was not enough video evidence so because it was not called a lateral or backward pass on the field they could only rule that the arm was moving forward and a pass.