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we will never know how badly they botched this search process. You need not look any further than Maturi as the reason coaches turned us down. Maturi is on his way out and the candidates knew it.
Congrats to coach Kill and to Marquise Gray who should be the happiest person next to coach Kill in the state today.
 

we will never know how badly they botched this search process. You need not look any further than Maturi as the reason coaches turned us down. Maturi is on his way out and the candidates knew it.
Congrats to coach Kill and to Marquise Gray who should be the happiest person next to coach Kill in the state today.

So Crazy Joe, who was the top pick?
 

we will never know how badly they botched this search process. You need not look any further than Maturi as the reason coaches turned us down. Maturi is on his way out and the candidates knew it.
Congrats to coach Kill and to Marquise Gray who should be the happiest person next to coach Kill in the state today.

While I think you've proven you have zero inside info, I do think you're right about this. There's little doubt this search process was probably pretty horribly executed and we'll likely never know the extent of the follies. But we can hope that they stumbled their way into a good outcome anyway. So far it's promising.
 

we will never know how badly they botched this search process. You need not look any further than Maturi as the reason coaches turned us down. Maturi is on his way out and the candidates knew it.
Congrats to coach Kill and to Marquise Gray who should be the happiest person next to coach Kill in the state today.

Botched process? How so? Because we did not get a "profile" coach? Lets talk about why the candidates who turned us down did so. Some of our targets simply did not want to move. Some of the candidates the media talked about were never called because they just do not fit what we wanted. People don't turn down millions because the AD is on his way out. Contracts stay regardless of the AD.
 

Botched process? How so? Because we did not get a "profile" coach? Lets talk about why the candidates who turned us down did so. Some of our targets simply did not want to move. Some of the candidates the media talked about were never called because they just do not fit what we wanted. People don't turn down millions because the AD is on his way out. Contracts stay regardless of the AD.

Quit defending Maturi he is an idiot that needs to resign. He obviously botched this process. When Wacker was fired the AD got Mason, a coach offered by Georgia. When Brewster was fired (by the way Macturi's choice) we get our 20th choice.
 


I'm surprised by two things

the way the coach search ended

and CJD's return. I thought he was just messin' with us and he'd disappear. At least he cares enough to come back and man up that maturi is a screw up

How the heck did we end up with Tubby? Where's the Maturi wikileaks?
 

Yep, it was all Maturi.

Couldn't be the 194-251-3 record since Warmath.
Couldn't be the fact that only one coach has had a coaching career after leaving here in the last 50 years.
Couldn't be the great support from the fans in that mostly empty stadium.
Couldn't be the media treating the Gophers like a waste of time since we have the Vikings, Twins, Wild, T-Wolves, and whomever else they like better.
How could a coach at a top program turn this down?

Must have been Maturi.
 

Crazy Joe, do you leave your door standing wide open because you like to encourage intruders? I watched that episode of Seinfeld earlier tonight. Funny stuff, and I never get tired of it. :D
 

Yep, it was all Maturi.

Couldn't be the 194-251-3 record since Warmath.
Couldn't be the fact that only one coach has had a coaching career after leaving here in the last 50 years.
Couldn't be the great support from the fans in that mostly empty stadium.
Couldn't be the media treating the Gophers like a waste of time since we have the Vikings, Twins, Wild, T-Wolves, and whomever else they like better.
How could a coach at a top program turn this down?

Must have been Maturi.

You are correct. I blame Maturi for everything. If Tom Moe or Mark Dienhart were still running the show the last few years everything would have been a lot better than it has been.

Had Maturi been around for the whole 194-251 it would have been even worse. He is a turrible dithering failure, and certainly not a BCS level AD, or even a MIAC level AD for that matter.

I hope he gets sent to where they sent Brewster so I will never have to see his face or hear him "speak'' again.
 



Let me preface this by saying that Kill was one of my favorite candidates all along and I have never been more confident in our coach since I started watching Gopher football (Gutekust).

However, Maturi has no idea what he is doing. I think he mistakingly stumbled upon Jerry Kill, which probably makes me even more confident in the hiring.
He really set up Jerry Kill for backlash with his outlandish comments. He failed to realize that part of this hire would be a bit PR. The casual fan (non-gopher holers) were still casually saying things like Jim Harbaugh, that Boise coach, etc., and Maturi did nothing but embolden that falsehood with his "tubby like" nonsense and "I can't believe HE'S interested" gossip. I like Jerry Kill, but obviously those people aren't going to be excited about Jerry Kill after hearing those names.
Before last year, I thought Brew deserved another season. I was wrong. However, I knew it was a terrible idea to extend Brew and then constantly make comments where it is obvious that you have no faith in this guy. You can't have it both ways. Last season Brew should have been fired but if he was kept around another season, Maturi should have acted like he had faith in the idea.
Furthermore, Maturi really held the program back by firing Brew so late. I don't think Brew would have ever had success at MN. However, I think this season would have been more like 5-7, 4-8 if we had a real SR class. However, Mason was fired so late in the process that we essentially were looking for bodies to fill in. We didn't have a recruiting class the season that turned into this year's SR class. That is all because Maturi let one game decide Mason's fate. Dumb move.
 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it Robert Bruininks who wanted Mason fired after the Insight Bowl?
 

could it have been something other than Joel?

If we went 9-3 last year instead of 3-9 and sold out every game, how much more would the U have gained in revenues? maybe $1M?

did someone get cheap late in the process?
 

could it have been something other than Joel?

If we went 9-3 last year instead of 3-9 and sold out every game, how much more would the U have gained in revenues? maybe $1M?

did someone get cheap late in the process?

Is that you Wilbon. Gotta love Kornheiser's location.
 



Yep, it was all Maturi.

Couldn't be the 194-251-3 record since Warmath.
Couldn't be the fact that only one coach has had a coaching career after leaving here in the last 50 years.
Couldn't be the great support from the fans in that mostly empty stadium.
Couldn't be the media treating the Gophers like a waste of time since we have the Vikings, Twins, Wild, T-Wolves, and whomever else they like better.
How could a coach at a top program turn this down?

Must have been Maturi.

Here's one of Tony's better ones.
In March 2010, Kornheiser commented: "The last time I looked, the roads were made for automobiles...We're going to be dominated as if this was Beijing by hundreds of thousands of bicyclists...They all wear … my God … with the little water bottle in the back and the stupid hats and their shiny shorts. They are the same disgusting poseurs that in the middle of a snowstorm come out with cross-country skiing on your block. Run 'em down...Let them use the right, I’m okay with that. I don’t take my car and ride on the sidewalk because I understand that’s not for my car… Why do these people think that these roads were built for bicycles? ... They dare you to run them down.” Cyclist Lance Armstrong replied "Disgusting, ignorant, foolish. What a complete f-ing idiot."[35] Kornheiser later apologized to Armstrong on-air and offered to go on a bike ride with him.[36]
 

I think he mistakingly stumbled upon Jerry Kill, which probably makes me even more confident in the hiring.

Let's get one thing straight here. People in GopherHole may be able to get away with saying that Maturi stumbled into the Tubby hire but that is NEVER going to work for the Kill hire. Maturi is going to get 100% of the credit for how it turns out. And if it turns out to be a good hire like many people are now predicting all of the Maturi critics will have to STFU. We are not going to allow the habitual critics in GH to have it both ways.
 

You are correct. I blame Maturi for everything. If Tom Moe or Mark Dienhart were still running the show the last few years everything would have been a lot better than it has been.

Had Maturi been around for the whole 194-251 it would have been even worse. He is a turrible dithering failure, and certainly not a BCS level AD, or even a MIAC level AD for that matter.

I hope he gets sent to where they sent Brewster so I will never have to see his face or hear him "speak'' again.

+1,000,000 Maturi is the worst AD, not only in college athletics, but including high schools, middle schools, elementary schools, and preschools. You get my point, he's the worst period and our great U has been set back to the stone age because of him.
 

Let's get one thing straight here. People in GopherHole may be able to get away with saying that Maturi stumbled into the Tubby hire but that is NEVER going to work for the Kill hire. Maturi is going to get 100% of the credit for how it turns out. And if it turns out to be a good hire like many people are now predicting all of the Maturi critics will have to STFU. We are not going to allow the habitual critics in GH to have it both ways.

Sweet, we now have an ombudsman.

I like to think we keep it real here. Good to know there will be someone to help keep it real-er.
 

We all want our new coach Jerry Kill to succeed. There is no doubt he is a good and sincere man who can coach and has won. This program is riddled with many good men with sincere intentions, who can coach, are good men, but have not succeeded. I would tell the masses that it takes more than a coach to build a program. I hope Coach Kill gets the commitment and support (not LIP service) from the Presidents office down to be given a real chance for true success. Many other great men and coaches have tried and are considered as failures only to be ridiculed and made scape goats for systemic problems that make it almost impossible to create a winner at the U of M.

I hope the winds of change have made clear the new realities and an environment that will give Coach Kill a fighting chance. We all crave the resurrection of the Gophers of old.
 

Nationwide the feeling was very heavily weighted towards Minnesota being a lousy job and how they'd never get big name coach here. Even on this board there were many people that said that a big name "Tubby Smith" like hire wasn't in the cards. A Maturi phrase by the way that will go down in history with Custers' "Come on, it's on a couple of hundred Indians!"

The other false statement by the way, is that Georgia Coach Mason came here not the tail between his legs losing season Kansas Coach Mason.

The problem is there were also a number of posters here, including the guy who started this one, who said a big time hire is on the way!:eek:

Now, rather the saying "I was wrong and everybody in the rest of the country was right" they say I was RIGHT it was Maturi who f-ed it up!!!:mad::mad::mad:"

The question should be do any of the "Coaches were lining-UP for the job" crew have the cajones to say lousy search maybe, but I was a kool-aid swilling homer to think that a big namer was going to end up here until AFTER it becomes a winning program not before."

God I hate Lou Holtz.
 

Let's get one thing straight here. People in GopherHole may be able to get away with saying that Maturi stumbled into the Tubby hire but that is NEVER going to work for the Kill hire. Maturi is going to get 100% of the credit for how it turns out. And if it turns out to be a good hire like many people are now predicting all of the Maturi critics will have to STFU. We are not going to allow the habitual critics in GH to have it both ways.

Hey broke...you stfu...Maturi, Kill and Mona all admitted that they were on Kill very late in the process after many top coaches walked. I know for a fact that Edsall was the guy and he backed out on Maturi...so when Maturi and Mona were up against the wall, they called Kill...after 50 days of meetings, searching and $200k spent, they called a guy that would have taken this job and the 3005 salary increase and a move to the big ten on day 1-50. So to give Maturi credit for anyting other than getting lucky if this works out is beyond stupid. Maturi has proven his idiocy and incompetence over and over and should have been fired a long time ago...if he was a history professor...this guy wouldn't know the difference between Alexander the Great and Alexander Hamilton...but because he is an AD at a school that hasn't cared about athletics for 40 plus years, he can be right about as often as the Kare 11 weatherman and still keep his effing $345k per job...and one last thing...who are you to tell anyone we can't have it both ways...I can have whatever the eff I want and you can suk it!
 

GopherOhana

I am a true gopher fan, I unlike others on this board do not attack others (other than PA) which I think is a testament to their individual intelligence and lack of maturity. I contribute multiple sources to the U of M for various activities such as advertising, general fund and most importantly in my eyes athletics. With that I have a number of people who weekly if not daily keep in contact with me. Let me say the I know for a fact the search did not go well but I think Kill was still a good hire and has a chance to win here. As far as the search I simply was not in a position to mention names due to the fact of who I have regular contact with. I can tell you that I was on one occasion told that the new coach was to be signed, sealed and soon to be delivered and that coach was not Kill. Take that as you will, secrecy was not meant to torment but purely for protection for individuals. I believe the AD when he says Kill was always a possibility but he was certainly not in their original top 8.
 

I am a true gopher fan, I unlike others on this board do not attack others (other than PA) which I think is a testament to their individual intelligence and lack of maturity. I contribute multiple sources to the U of M for various activities such as advertising, general fund and most importantly in my eyes athletics. With that I have a number of people who weekly if not daily keep in contact with me. Let me say the I know for a fact the search did not go well but I think Kill was still a good hire and has a chance to win here. As far as the search I simply was not in a position to mention names due to the fact of who I have regular contact with. I can tell you that I was on one occasion told that the new coach was to be signed, sealed and soon to be delivered and that coach was not Kill. Take that as you will, secrecy was not meant to torment but purely for protection for individuals. I believe the AD when he says Kill was always a possibility but he was certainly not in their original top 8.

Blah, blah, blah...I could've said anything you said here, and I don't know any "insiders".

People aren't attacking you, they're attacking your posts because you act like you have access to some great inside treasure trove of information, but you really don't. You don't know any more than the rest of us, but you want the status of an "insider". JohnnyGopher and others have earned that status because it's become quite obvious that they do know more than the rest of us. It's just not going to happen for you. Sorry.
 

I am a true gopher fan, I unlike others on this board do not attack others (other than PA) which I think is a testament to their individual intelligence and lack of maturity. I contribute multiple sources to the U of M for various activities such as advertising, general fund and most importantly in my eyes athletics. With that I have a number of people who weekly if not daily keep in contact with me. Let me say the I know for a fact the search did not go well but I think Kill was still a good hire and has a chance to win here. As far as the search I simply was not in a position to mention names due to the fact of who I have regular contact with. I can tell you that I was on one occasion told that the new coach was to be signed, sealed and soon to be delivered and that coach was not Kill. Take that as you will, secrecy was not meant to torment but purely for protection for individuals. I believe the AD when he says Kill was always a possibility but he was certainly not in their original top 8.

Personally I don't doubt any of that, as a matter of fact I don't doubt that a coach was signed and backed out because his school ponied-up or he thought a better job was opening. What I doubt and what people all over the country doubt is that when push came to shove a big name or big demand coach was going to come here until after the Gophers strung together a number of winning seasons and not before.

Thinking that Maturi or any A.D would change that was a bad idea and it's hard to believe that any rational person could think otherwise unless they believe that coaches always tell the truth or honor their commitments.

It's not personal, it's just that past experience strongly favors the "no big name to the U" and "coaches lie" approach. There are just to damn many years of futility and examples to ignore. No amount of hatred or disappointment towards Maturi or Bruininks will change that for a lot of us.

What bothers me still is the feeling that "boy, if only Maturi wasn't handling things Hoke would have turned down the new SDSU money or Peterson would dump Boise State to take a chance on TCF".

Those feelings are beyond understanding in the rest of the country and irritating here.

That said, I didn't think that Kill would have been considered regardless of how strong his track record was because of health concerns, so I hope you're right about Kill being a good hire for all our sakes. Though honestly, reading the board the last three days there are still a bunch of guys who will be praying that Kill fails just so they can keep saying "See Maturi sucks!"

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

Yep, it was all Maturi.

Couldn't be the 194-251-3 record since Warmath.
Couldn't be the fact that only one coach has had a coaching career after leaving here in the last 50 years.
Couldn't be the great support from the fans in that mostly empty stadium.
Couldn't be the media treating the Gophers like a waste of time since we have the Vikings, Twins, Wild, T-Wolves, and whomever else they like better.
How could a coach at a top program turn this down?

Must have been Maturi.

Well despite all that and playing in the Dome Glen Mason came here from a BCS school. So what has changed?
 

Well despite all that and playing in the Dome Glen Mason came here from a BCS school. So what has changed?

Mason turned down the Georgia job because of "personal" reasons. I think they even had a press conference about the Georgia job. He then went back to Kansas and went 4-7 and 2-6 in conference and Kansas certainly didn't "pony -up" ANYTHING to keep him. Later he said that he would have taken a shot at the Gopher job when Wacker got it but didn't want a public interview so there already was a Gopher connection.

So "blind luck", foresight or "damaged goods" depending on something like that to happen this time around was questionable.
 

Mason turned down the Georgia job because of "personal" reasons. I think they even had a press conference about the Georgia job. He then went back to Kansas and went 4-7 and 2-6 in conference and Kansas certainly didn't "pony -up" ANYTHING to keep him. Later he said that he would have taken a shot at the Gopher job when Wacker got it but didn't want a public interview so there already was a Gopher connection.

So "blind luck", foresight or "damaged goods" depending on something like that to happen this time around was questionable.

Same thing with Lou Holtz? Blind luck? Why did Maturi say he didn't think any BCS coaches would come here?
 

Well despite all that and playing in the Dome Glen Mason came here from a BCS school. So what has changed?

Mason may have taken a High School HC job in Alaska to get out of Kansas after his Georgia debacle. His time at Kansas was coming to an end one way or another.
 

Same thing with Lou Holtz? Blind luck? Why did Maturi say he didn't think any BCS coaches would come here?

Probably based on the current ones who either said no or reportedly made unrealistic demands for the job. The job isn't the same as when Holtz took over, some things are better about it and some things are worse.

I think the biggest factor is they were asking a coach already at a BCS school to take a job where is Boss and his Boss's Boss are both going to be new in the first year or two on the job. Add in the fact that the gophers are playing in one of the two toughest divisions in all of college football from a top to bottom. In my mind, at this time, those two items make this job have unnecessary risk for the work (and probably) time needed to succeed here.
 

Mason may have taken a High School HC job in Alaska to get out of Kansas after his Georgia debacle. His time at Kansas was coming to an end one way or another.

Again why did Maturi say he didn't think any BCS coach would want to come here? What does that say about his attitude? Has he given up?
 

Same thing with Lou Holtz? Blind luck? Why did Maturi say he didn't think any BCS coaches would come here?

That Weasel needed a pay check for a couple of years after being run out of Arkansas and the U and their boosters were happy to take him. Look how that turned out. Nobody had the "personal" experience of dealing with the guys the way they had in dealing with Leach at the Insight Bowl.

Oh, in the interest of full disclosure, they way many people around here have an almost irrational hatred for Maturi I have the same for Holtz.
 




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