A Historical Perspective of Gophers RPI (1993 to present)

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How the 2015-16 season Gopher season is looking from a RPI historical perspective circa 1992-93 season, when I first started projecting the NCAA Tournament field. Also including Big Ten Conference records, Big Ten Tournament records (circa 1997-98 season), and NCAA appearances/record.

No question, this season has a chance to reach rarefied air.

Gophers in the RPI
1992-93: #43 RPI, 9-9 Big Ten
1993-94: #24 RPI, 10-8 Big Ten, NCAA (1-1)
1994-95: #66 RPI, 10-8 Big Ten, NCAA (0-1)
1995-96: #46 RPI, 10-8 Big Ten
1996-97: #4 RPI, 16-2 Big Ten, NCAA (4-1)
1997-98: #79 RPI, 6-10 Big Ten, 2-1 Big Ten Tournament (semifinals)
1998-99: #24 RPI, 8-8 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament, NCAA (0-1)
1999-00: #114 RPI, 4-12 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament
2000-01: #73 RPI, 5-11 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament
2001-02: #71 RPI, 9-7 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals) -- Monson's 3rd season
2002-03: #71 RPI, 8-8 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament
2003-04: #156 RPI, 3-13 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals)
2004-05: #40 RPI, 10-6 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (semifinals), NCAA (0-1)
2005-06: #83 RPI, 5-11 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals)
2006-07: #190 RPI, 3-13 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament -- Monson/Molinari season
2007-08: #101 RPI, 8-10 Big Ten, 2-1 Big Ten Tournament (semifinals)
2008-09: #42 RPI, 9-9 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals), NCAA (0-1)
2009-10: #62 RPI, 9-9 Big Ten, 3-1 Big Ten Tournament (title game), NCAA (0-1) -- Smith's 3rd season
2010-11: #85 RPI, 6-12 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament
2011-12: #90 RPI, 6-12 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals)
2012-13: #34 RPI, 8-10 Big Ten, 0-1 Big Ten Tournament, NCAA (1-1)
2013-14: #50 RPI, 8-10 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (quarterfinals)
2014-15: #98 RPI, 6-12 Big Ten, 1-1 Big Ten Tournament (2nd round)
2015-16 (current): #204 RPI, 0-5 Big Ten -- Pitino's 3rd season

Minnesota's Average RPI (excluding current season): 71.565
Best: #4 (1996-97)
Worst: #190 (2006-07)
Minnesota's Average RPI Throwing Out Best & Worst Seasons: 69.142

NCAA Appearances: 8 (Haskins 4, Smith 3, Monson 1)
NCAA Record: 7-8 (Haskins 6-4, Monson 0-1, Smith 1-3)
Big Ten Record: 176-223 (Haskins 69-53, Monson 44-68, Molinari 3-13, Smith 46-62, Pitino 14-27)
Big Ten Tournament Record: 15-18 (Haskins 2-2, Monson 4-7, Molinari 0-1, Smith 7-6, Pitino 2-2)
Big Ten Tournament, Semifinals or Better: 4 (Smith 2, Haskins 1, Monson 1)

For what it's worth (feel free to accuse me of setting my standards too low?), I have always said I'd be cool with a Gophers program that competes for a top-3 finish in the Big Ten once every 4 years (translation: a legit B1G title contender/top-25 caliber team), but more importantly one that makes the NCAA Tournament 3 out of every 5 seasons. So I guess what I'm saying is, I could live with NCAA tourney appearances occurring 60% of the time. My percentage as a season-ticket holder (in 24th season) will be 33% after this season, unless the Gophers shock the world and win the 2016 B1G Tournament (then it becomes 37.5%!). There's work to do to start moving the needle.
 

1. What RPI is unacceptable to this program?

2. How much of an improvement can one recruiting class make to RPI in their first year?

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Ewert86PC said:
1. What RPI is unacceptable to this program?

2. How much of an improvement can one recruitng class make to RPI in their first year?

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My answers to the questions I posed are:

1. 80

2. 5 to 50% RPI improvement, depending on how far down the list you are. That's 10 to 100 RPI based on current RPI.

Based on the current RPI of this team (204) and my expected upside for a top 20 class, a 50% improvement (100 RPI), I don't feel comfortable about the next two seasons for this team under the current coach.
 

You answered your own question in a separate post? you're cool.

1. Without an athletic director probably pretty low.

2.) 1 player in basketball can make a lot of a difference. Let alone the potential to have up to 3 different starters next year (Lynch, Fitzgerald, Coffey) We'll see but next year we should be back to average of the BIG ten only way we aren't is if we change coaches and the new coach can't keep Coffey on board.
 

Wow that is a depressing summary, though thanks for putting it together Hodger.

Question for you, how often do Power 5 conference teams (or more specifically, BT teams) finish with an sub-200 RPI?

Go Gophers!!
 


Tim1406 said:
You answered your own question in a separate post? you're cool.
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No. I try to be fair; meaning that if I ask a question, I should be willing to answer it. Even if it means I answer "I don't know."

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BleedGopher said:
Wow that is a depressing summary, though thanks for putting it together Hodger.

Question for you, how often do Power 5 conference teams (or more specifically, BT teams) finish with an sub-200 RPI?

Go Gophers!!
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There were 3 last season: Miss St., Missouri, and Virginia Tech

For the 2013-14 season, there were also 3: Boston College, Washington State, and Virginia Tech

For the current season, NCAA ORG's RPI is over a month old. ESPN's estimate of Virginia Tech's current RPI is #123. That's a big improvement and significantly better than the Gophers, but, based on this data, Virginia Tech would have to be considered the worst power conference team of the last three years.
 

Bleed, I'll do a little research on that, unless someone beats me to it. I'll see if I can go all the way back to 1992-93. I'm pretty certain it doesn't happen very often, maybe at most 2-3 teams per season?
 

SelectionSunday said:
Bleed, I'll do a little research on that, unless someone beats me to it. I'll see if I can go all the way back to 1992-93. I'm pretty certain it doesn't happen very often, maybe at most 2-3 teams per season?
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Lowest Big Ten RPI's

2015 181 & 154
2014 125 & 146
2013 183 & 164
2012 160 & 148
2011 189 and 193
2010 207, 221, and 194
 



Face The Facts said:
Lowest Big Ten RPI's

2015 181 & 154
2014 125 & 146
2013 183 & 164
2012 160 & 148
2011 189 and 193
2010 207, 221, and 194
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2009
124 121 Iowa Big Ten 15-17 1-11 1- 2 13-4 0-0
211 216 Indiana Big Ten 6-25 0-11 0- 4 5-10 1-0


2008
186 173 Michigan Big Ten 10-22 2-10 2- 3 6-9 0-0
214 192 Iowa Big Ten 13-19 3-8 0- 3 10-8 0-0
246 224 Northwestern Big Ten 8-22 3-10 0- 1 4-11 1-0

2007
177 177 Northwestern Big Ten 13-18 1-8 1- 2 9-8 2-0
189 190 Minnesota Big Ten 9-22 1-9 0- 4 8-9 0-0
200 199 Penn St. Big Ten 11-19 0-10 0- 1 11-8 0-0

2006
118 106 Penn St. Big Ten 15-15 3-7 1- 1 11-7 0-0
179 175 Purdue Big Ten
 

cjbfbp said:
There were 3 last season: Miss St., Missouri, and Virginia Tech

For the 2013-14 season, there were also 3: Boston College, Washington State, and Virginia Tech

For the current season, NCAA ORG's RPI is over a month old. ESPN's estimate of Virginia Tech's current RPI is #123. That's a big improvement and significantly better than the Gophers, but, based on this data, Virginia Tech would have to be considered the worst power conference team of the last three years.
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Virginia Tech is an awful job. Seth Greenburg was a whiny crybaby about always being #66, but he should probably have a statue for the games he won. If/when we make a move Buzz's phone should ring. He probably realizes by now what he got himself into.

Aside, the VT AD is apparently a great salesman. Getting Buzz, easing Beamer into retirement without causing a blow-up, getting Fuente and keeping Bud Foster.
 

Need to change the rating from RPI to RIP for this team.
 

Well, after today we are sitting with a RPI of 211. When will our RPI start improving?

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The number that jumps out to me: in the last 18 full seasons, the Gophers have had a winning B1G record twice, and 4 seasons with a .500 record in the B1G. That's 12 of 18 seasons with a losing record in the conference. also, during the last 18 years, 5 NCAA appearances, with a 1-5 record in tournament games.

Our memories may play tricks with us, but the numbers don't lie. If you're a HS senior or younger (and a potential recruit), the Gopher BB program has not been relevant in your lifetime. That's a tough sell.
 

I was among Monson's critics at the end -- like when Glen Mason was fired felt it had to be done -- but it is interesting that the only two winning Big Ten seasons (post Final 4) came under Monson. He deserves some credit for that.
 

Going in to Saturday's game against Illinois, the RPI of the Gophers is 217. Not good.

When are we going to have an RPI lower than 200? 175? 150?

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Anyone want to predict our RPI after tonight's fiasco?

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Tim1406 said:
You answered your own question in a separate post? you're cool.

1. Without an athletic director probably pretty low.

2.) 1 player in basketball can make a lot of a difference. Let alone the potential to have up to 3 different starters next year (Lynch, Fitzgerald, Coffey) We'll see but next year we should be back to average of the BIG ten only way we aren't is if we change coaches and the new coach can't keep Coffey on board.
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Not Hurt?
 

RPI 216, after Indiana game, which is up 4.

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FanSinceTheFifties said:
Not Hurt?
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I don't see him as a difference maker. A good piece, yes but one of those 3 might be able to change a game. Then again sometimes all you need is a player who can come in and make really good plays that help to make everyone around them better.
 

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