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I said TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION. Not ”Russia investigation”. Liar.
Wow you're desperate to deflect. You said "phony Trump-Russia collusion investigation." I said "the Russia investigation". We are referencing the same thing. Stop it.
 

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Wow you're desperate to deflect. You said "phony Trump-Russia collusion investigation." I said "the Russia investigation". We are referencing the same thing. Stop it.
Yeah, it was phony, probably illegal (at least one guilty plea, probably more charges to come) investigation started into Trump during his presidential campaign.

No, Democrats have tried desperately to save face by conflating the two. They are two different things and you know it.
 

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Nope. Wrong. Distortion per usual.
Not a distortion at all. They don't want to know what happened on 1/6, so they deflect about Antifa and BLM. They are ashamed and embarrassed just like you.

McCarthy and other Republicans have argued that any commission should also look at violence involving Antifa and riots that occurred during protests of police brutality last year. Democrats charge that Republicans are simply trying to obfuscate Trump's role lying about the election being stolen in the lead-up to January 6 attack.

 

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Yeah, it was phony, probably illegal (at least one guilty plea, probably more charges to come) investigation started into Trump during his presidential campaign.

No, Democrats have tried desperately to save face by conflating the two. They are two different things and you know it.
The Russia Investigation refers to the Mueller Investigation as were you. There is no conflation. Stop lying.
 


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Are any of them from the last 60 days?
Moving on is not silence. He’s spoken clearly and unequivocally, and is way more important to the R party than a house minority leader. Deal with it.
 

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The Russia Investigation refers to the Mueller Investigation as were you. There is no conflation. Stop lyin
The TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION investigation includes everything that the FBI investigated, which Mueller dovetailed off of.

You can play semantics all you want. You know they are different parts of the whole story.
 

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Not a distortion at all. They don't want to know what happened on 1/6, so they deflect about Antifa and BLM. They are ashamed and embarrassed just like you.

McCarthy and other Republicans have argued that any commission should also look at violence involving Antifa and riots that occurred during protests of police brutality last year. Democrats charge that Republicans are simply trying to obfuscate Trump's role lying about the election being stolen in the lead-up to January 6 attack.

We don’t know what happened on 1/6? Cmon. There is no mystery. This is pure politics. That’s fine, but don’t act like it isn’t an effort to keep a clear Democrat message winner in the news cycle longer.
 

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That's a neat game. I'm sure if it were BLM doing the exact same thing, you would have the same view.
BLM riots continue to this day and have been taking place for more than a year. There is no comparison on which is more accepted in the mainstream and which is more destructive.
 



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Not a distortion at all. They don't want to know what happened on 1/6, so they deflect about Antifa and BLM. They are ashamed and embarrassed just like you.

McCarthy and other Republicans have argued that any commission should also look at violence involving Antifa and riots that occurred during protests of police brutality last year. Democrats charge that Republicans are simply trying to obfuscate Trump's role lying about the election being stolen in the lead-up to January 6 attack.

I didn’t bring up any commission. I responded to a flawed post.

Jake said “Republicans” wanted a commission on BLM. They didn’t want a commission on BLM, with the exception of MTGreene. Jake couldn’t respond without suggesting that Democrats are represented by AOC and the Squad. So he ignored it. Boof tried to help him out with a picture of a local TV story, but even that only said McCarthy would want BLM and Antifa included IF a Jan 6 commission is formed. That’s not what jake said, but he was desperate to save face any way he could, even if it was a distortion of what he claimed.

howie, just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
 

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Moving on is not silence. He’s spoken clearly and unequivocally, and is way more important to the R party than a house minority leader. Deal with it.
Trump has not moved on. McCarthy has not moved on. The party has not moved on. They're conducting "audits" in Arizona and Michigan and probably elsewhere. Turtle Mitch is a coward.

They are both the minority leaders in Congress. Saying one is "way more important" is dumb. McConnell was "way more" important when he was majority leader. Not anymore.
 

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We don’t know what happened on 1/6? Cmon. There is no mystery. This is pure politics. That’s fine, but don’t act like it isn’t an effort to keep a clear Democrat message winner in the news cycle longer.
There's plenty we don't know. You could say the same about 9/11, JFK or anything else Congress has ever investigated. There's value in having subpoena power and and a full complete investigation instead of the piecemeal media/law enforcement facts we have now.

If the R's really believe was "Antifa" or BLM involvement, they should welcome it. They can scream it from the rooftops for the next two years.
 

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Trump has not moved on. The party has not moved on. They're conducting "audits" in Arizona and Michigan and probably elsewhere. Turtle Mitch is a coward.

They are both the minority leaders in Congress. Saying one is "way more important" is dumb. McConnell was more important when he was majority leader. Not anymore.
So if McConnell comdemns Trump, he’s important. If he doesn’t continue condemning Trump over the last 60 days, he’s not important.

howie, you’re really getting confusing. Take a breath.
 



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I didn’t bring up any commission. I responded to a flawed post.

Jake said “Republicans” wanted a commission on BLM. They didn’t want a commission on BLM, with the exception of MTGreene. Jake couldn’t respond without suggesting that Democrats are represented by AOC and the Squad. So he ignored it. Boof tried to help him out with a picture of a local TV story, but even that only said McCarthy would want BLM and Antifa included IF a Jan 6 commission is formed. That’s not what jake said, but he was desperate to save face any way he could, even if it was a distortion of what he claimed.

howie, just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
McCarthy just said he wants the commission to look into BLM and Antifa.

You face planted hard not knowing this (I guess Fox News didn't mention it?) and now you're pretzeling to save face. It is indeed embarrassing.
 

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McCarthy just said he wants the commission to look into BLM and Antifa.

You face planted hard not knowing this (I guess Fox News didn't mention it?) and now you're pretzeling to save face. It is indeed embarrassing.
No, he did not. But now you’ve conveniently added Antifa. If you keep getting closer to the reality, you get further away from what jake claimed...that “Republicans want a commission on BLM”.

You guys have a real problem with conflating investigations and commissions.
 

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BLM riots continue to this day and have been taking place for more than a year. There is no comparison on which is more accepted in the mainstream and which is more destructive.
Which is more destructive? One was a failed attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

And the continued pushing of the lies that led to it could very well lead to the results of the next election being overturned by state legislatures under the BS guise of "fraud" and ripping our Democracy apart.

And you think some BLM protests in Portland are far, far worse. Wow.
 

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So if McConnell comdemns Trump, he’s important. If he doesn’t continue condemning Trump over the last 60 days, he’s not important.

howie, you’re really getting confusing. Take a breath.
That's not what I said. You're reaching is getting ridiculous.

2 wants to pretend that since McConnel gave one stearn speech on the Senate floor we should all move and on and pretend the party isn't still backing the Big Lie. The only R's who are actively speaking against it are hated and censured by their own party. Mitch is not among them.
 

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That's not what I said. You're reaching is getting ridiculous.

2 wants to pretend that since McConnel gave one stearn speech on the Senate floor we should all move and on and pretend the party isn't still backing the Big Lie. The only R's who are actively speaking against it are hated and censured by their own party. Mitch is not among them.
McConnell has never backed the Trump version of events. Never.
 

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No, he did not. But now you’ve conveniently added Antifa. If you keep getting closer to the reality, you get further away from what jake claimed...that “Republicans want a commission on BLM”.

You guys have a real problem with conflating investigations and commissions.
So he only wants the commission to investigate Antifa but not BLM? Or the other way around? And this distinction matters because why?
 

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That’s not the point. I fully believe that all available vaccines will receive FDA approval after 6 months of usage data has been collected, but the point is that until we have significant experience with a vaccine or drug that is given emergency authorization, we need our government health agencies to do their best to evaluate the results and be transparent about those results.

Again, I strongly criticized Tucker Carlson’s implication about the ambiguities of the adverse events reports. Carlson frequently uses opportunities to be ‘the hero of the people’ and bringer of the truth, and this may have been such an occasion. But if we want people to trust the government’s decisions, it needs to be inquisitive about potential adverse events and as transparent as possible about vaccines that are to be massively administered to the public with only Emergency Authorization.

I believe the risks of not having the vaccine far outweigh the risks of the vaccine, widespread acceptance is critical, and that it is extremely likely that they represent a low risk of adverse effects. But if you want people to trust the government’s vaccination plan, it must do everything it can to make the public comfortable with its use, and don’t give Carlson the opportunity to question its use or the government’s transparency.
I would argue that people like Carlson will find ways to question these things no matter what’s being done because that’s what he does and why many of his viewers listen to him. He’s already questioned things that he could have easily found answers to.

I get what you’re saying and people will have a difference of opinion as to how much info is needed before they’re comfortable in taking the vaccine. There’s no reason to believe that they aren’t doing their due diligence. Ultimately the best thing for everyone is for there to be accurate and truthful info for everyone to base their decision on. My opinion is people like Carlson and anti-vaxx groups do more damage than anything the government is or isn’t doing. A lot of people don’t trust the government and their agencies so it doesn’t matter what they say or do.
 

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Lol. The D's currently hold both chambers having defeated the united Trumpster party. But their only chance is now to break it up? Please. There's nothing to break up. The former GOP is now 100% Trumpster cult. The "Smart Conservative" 2% of former R's with morals and principles have already left in disgust. You're about the smartest of what's left. Sad!
One of the leftist flock again calling the other side a cult. 😂😂😂😂 IALTO
 

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I would argue that people like Carlson will find ways to question these things no matter what’s being done because that’s what he does and why many of his viewers listen to him. He’s already questioned things that he could have easily found answers to.

I get what you’re saying and people will have a difference of opinion as to how much info is needed before they’re comfortable in taking the vaccine. There’s no reason to believe that they aren’t doing their due diligence. Ultimately the best thing for everyone is for there to be accurate and truthful info for everyone to base their decision on. My opinion is people like Carlson and anti-vaxx groups do more damage than anything the government is or isn’t doing. A lot of people don’t trust the government and their agencies so it doesn’t matter what they say or do.
It’s a double edged sword.

Some media has to surveil, question and challenge government officials’ and politicians’ authority.

Most of the media has a political bias and the majority of that bias favors the left.

Sometimes those challenges are legitimate and sometimes they’re political. Certainly the media challenged everything that Trump and his administration did. Everything. Suddenly, those same media people are choosing to take a break from their responsibilities, which leaves the door open for conspiracy theories.
 

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So he only wants the commission to investigate Antifa but not BLM? Or the other way around? And this distinction matters because why?
Listen carefully.

McCarthy proposed that IF a commission is impaneled for the Capitol riots, it should have to broaden to include an investigation of other radical rioters, like BLM and Antifa.

Knowing that Democrats would never push for such an evenhanded investigation, it would kill Democrat calls for a 1/6 commission.
Republicans (as a party) nor McCarthy have ever called for a commission on BLM. It would be useless to do so. They don’t have the power to form such a commission without Democrat support, and that’s not going to happen.
 
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BLM riots continue to this day and have been taking place for more than a year. There is no comparison on which is more accepted in the mainstream and which is more destructive.
Another disingenuous post by the board Snowflake. Just approach a debate honestly for once.
 


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Listen carefully.

McCarthy proposed that IF a commission is impaneled for the Capitol riots, it should have to broaden to include an investigation of other radical rioters, like BLM and Antifa.

Knowing that Democrats would never push for such an evenhanded investigation, it would kill Democrat calls for a 1/6 commission.

It worked and died on the vine.

Republicans (as a party) nor McCarthy have ever called for a commission on BLM. It would be useless to do so. They don’t have the power to form such a commission without Democrat support, and that’s not going to happen.
It was a pathetic deflection tactic, yes. But he did call for it. And frankly, the Dems should call his bluff and agree to it. He'll then come up with another excuse. The QOP desperately wants to pretend this was a "tourist like event". Some rascals taking selfies. And never talk about it again.
 

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It was a pathetic deflection tactic, yes. But he did call for it. And frankly, the Dems should call his bluff and agree to it. He'll then come up with another excuse. The QOP desperately wants to pretend this was a "tourist like event". Some rascals taking selfies. And never talk about it again.
Apparently, the commission is still moving ahead. McCarthy also wanted to include the Bernie supporter’s assault on the Republicans baseball practice. You know, the one where Republican congressmen were actually shot at and one nearly died.

It’s political theater. Something the Dems are really good at.
 

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Trump has not moved on. McCarthy has not moved on. The party has not moved on. They're conducting "audits" in Arizona and Michigan and probably elsewhere. Turtle Mitch is a coward.

They are both the minority leaders in Congress. Saying one is "way more important" is dumb. McConnell was "way more" important when he was majority leader. Not anymore.
Trump hasn’t moved on, but Mitch has. More proof that Mitch doesn’t take orders from Trump. Senate minority leader much more important than House.
 

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There's plenty we don't know. You could say the same about 9/11, JFK or anything else Congress has ever investigated. There's value in having subpoena power and and a full complete investigation instead of the piecemeal media/law enforcement facts we have now.

If the R's really believe was "Antifa" or BLM involvement, they should welcome it. They can scream it from the rooftops for the next two years.
I don’t believe it was BLM or antifa.
what is it you think you might learn? A lot of people protested and it got out of control. Big mystery.
 

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It was a pathetic deflection tactic, yes. But he did call for it. And frankly, the Dems should call his bluff and agree to it. He'll then come up with another excuse. The QOP desperately wants to pretend this was a "tourist like event". Some rascals taking selfies. And never talk about it again.
What was it?
 




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