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Has anyone compiled a presumed depth chart including Freshman entering Spring practice?
 

Well, I think anyone (incuding the coaches) would just be guessing right now, but i'll throw out a guess.

QB: Gray / Shortell / Foreman (RS: Nelson and Leidner)
RB: Kirkwood / Gillum / Cobb (RS: Williams)
H-Back: Maxx Williams / M. Henry
TE: Rabe / KGM / Goodger
WR: DCT / McDonald / Kiese
WR: Fruechte / Green
Slot: Jones / Harbison / Moulton
OT: E. Olson / Lenkiawicz
OG: T. Olson / Bak
C: Epping / Christensen
OG: Campion / Bjorklund
OT: Gjere / Bush

DE: Amafula / Cockran
DT: Hageman / R. Johnson / Legania
DT: Botticelli / Jacques / Hinojosa
DE: Wilhite / Garin / Bauducco
OLB: Cooper / Edwards
MLB: Matilus / Hill / R. Grant
OLB: Rallis / Reeves
CB: Stoud / Carter / Baltazar
CB: Vereen / Shabazz / Body
FS: Thompson / Wells /S. Montgomery
SS: Manuel / A. Johnson / Levine

A lot of these are pure guesses:
The OL could go an entirely different direction.
I'm not sure if the KGM to TE rumors are true.
I didn't really start anyone new either, and one or two of those guys could certainly be starters.
Who knows what they'll end up doing at QB with Nelson.
I think a lot of guys could switch positions (Rallis maybe to middle, more switching around with the DBs, OT moving to OG, etc.), but I'd assume right now, going into spring practice, most of the guys are going to be where they were last year until the coaches get to see them during spring ball.
 

For Spring IMO:* for eventual fall starter

QB-Gray*/Shortell/Foreman/Nelson/Leidner

HB-Kirkwood/Cobb/Gillum*/Wright

Hback-Rabe*/KGM??

TE-Goodger*/Heifort/Alipate?

WR1-DCT*/Green/Engel
WR2-Freucte*/Harris/Keise
Slot-Moulton/*Jones/Trucilla

LT-*E. Olson/Leinkiewicz
LG-*T. Olson/Bak
C-Mottla/*Christenson
RG-*Epping/Campion
RT-*Bush/Gjere/Ferguson

DE-*Perry/Wilhite/Simpson
DE-*Amaefula/Cockran/Garin
DT-*Hageman/Bottecelli
DT-Jacques/Ekpe *Roland Johnson

OLB-*Cooper/Edwards
MLB-*Hill/Grant/Matilus
OLB-*Rallis/Reeves

CB-*Stoudemire/Baltazar/Thompson
CB-*Vereen/ShabazzCarter/Boddie

S-Manuel/*Shabazz/Montgomery
S-*Wells/Levine/Baltazar

P-*Orseske/Mortell
K-*Wettstein/Hawthorne

PR-*Boddie
KR-*Stoudemire/Jones/Boddie
 

My crystal ball says expect a big splash from cochran at DE. Mark it down.
 

Here are my guesses:

QB: Gray/Shortell/ Foreman (RS: Nelson and Leidner)
HB: Gillum/ Cobb/ Kirkwood/ Wright (RS: Williams)
H-Back: Rabe/ Maxx Williams/ Mike Henry (RS: Plsek)
TE: Goodger/ KGM/ Alipate
WR: Green/Moulton/Harris
WR: Crawford-Tufts/McDonald/Freutche
Slot: Jones/Harbison/Maye
OT: Lenkiewicz/Bush (RS: Pirsig)
OG: T. Olson/Bak
C: Epping/Christensen (RS: Hayes)
OG: Gjere/Campion
OT: E.Olson/Ferguson

DE: Amafuela/ Perry/ Cockran (RS: Keith)
DE: Wilhite/Garin
DT: Hageman/R.Johnson/Legania (RS: Ekpe and Timms)
DT: Botticelli/ Jacques/ Hinojosa
OLB: Cooper/Reeves (RS: Lynn)
MLB: M.Rallis/Matilus
OLB: L.Edwards/Hill
CB: Stoudermire/Carter/Baltazar (RS: Murray)
CB: Vereen/Shabazz/Boddy
FS: Wells/Thompson/A.Johnson
SS: Manuel/Levine/D.Travis

My guess is that Rallis gets moved inside, that E.Olson gets moved to RT, and that Gjere either moves inside or develops for a year on the bench. I have Antonio Johnson and Damarius Travis as 3rd string safties, but there seems to be a good chance that either of them (or both) will start from day one.

I also think Nick Rallis will greyshirt, which is why he's not listed. We'll probably end up redshirting more than 11 guys, but the staff seems to have a itchy finger when it comes to playing freshman.
 



I betting Shabazz will be starting at CB. Solid cover guy with a lot of speed. Can't wait to see how he looks this spring.
 





It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Nick Rallis being a greyshirt is a strong possibility with his injury.

A big question mark is the role of the currently RS - FR.

Will Westerhaus break into a 2 deep? Is he a MLB or OLB?
Can Matilus play a lot right away?
Is Montgomery a CB or a FS, will he break into the 2 deep?
 

Just copying it the way it was spelled above smart alec GopherProf.
 

This is a spring practice two deep:

QB Gray, Shortell
RB Gillum, Cobb
HB/TE Rabe, Goodger, Alipate, KGM
X Fruechte, Harris
Y Moulton, Jones
Z DCT, Green
LT E. Olson, Linkiewicz
LG T. Olson, Bak
C Christenson, Mottla
RG Epping, Campion
RT Bush, Gjere

DE Wilhite, Amaefula
DT Hageman, Delaney
DT Botticelli, Jacques
DE Perry, Cockran
WLB Rallis, Hill
MLB Matilus, Grant
SLB Cooper, Edwards
CB Vereen, Shabazz
SS Balthazar, Manuel
FS Wells, Carter
CB Stoudermire, Boddy

LS Filkins, Ramlet
P Orseske, Mortell
PK Wettstein, Hawthorne

Notes:
Those in bold are just wild guesses the rest are only slightly more educated. Matilus is listed at 241 lbs on the roster right now. Is he bulking up to play in the middle? We'll see. After next weekend when the JUCO linebacker visits we should know more. MV said in his podcast don't expect to ever see Beal play, ever. One knee injury is bad enough, but multiple injuries to the same knee pretty much eliminates him. I think Kirkwood and Wright are doomed to special teams or position changes. Gillum, Cobb and Williams are all bigger and/or faster than Kirkwood and seem to fit . I think it's safe to assume Wright did not impress the coaches otherwise he would have some carries last year. Am I right? Am excited to hear that Alipate is moving to TE and has shed 35 lbs in the off season. Rabe seems to be competent at all aspects of his position, but Alipate might get some touches when no ones looking. I would be funny if they employed some kind of crazy lateral to Alipate pass back to Gray during a game. That would be hilarious. I'd be willing to bet that's our offensive line at UNLV. The coaches do nothing but rave about Bush and now Christenson. I think the defensive backfield will be an interesting battle during spring and into fall camp. I think all three JUCOs start at least one game and one of the true freshman safeties gets playing time too. I like that Wells has been able to bulk up to play safety. He's game tested. There are several of Brews super recruits who might find a lot less playing time this fall back there.
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
Well, I think anyone (incuding the coaches) would just be guessing right now, but i'll throw out a guess.

QB: Gray / Shortell / Foreman (RS: Nelson and Leidner)
RB: Kirkwood / Gillum / Cobb (RS: Williams)
H-Back: Maxx Williams / M. Henry
TE: Rabe / KGM / Goodger
WR: DCT / McDonald / Kiese
WR: Fruechte / Green
Slot: Jones / Harbison / Moulton
OT: E. Olson / Lenkiawicz
OG: T. Olson / Bak
C: Epping / Christensen
OG: Campion / Bjorklund
OT: Gjere / Bush

DE: Amafula / Cockran
DT: Hageman / R. Johnson / Legania
DT: Botticelli / Jacques / Hinojosa
DE: Wilhite / Garin / Bauducco
OLB: Cooper / Edwards
MLB: Matilus / Hill / R. Grant
OLB: Rallis / Reeves
CB: Stoud / Carter / Baltazar
CB: Vereen / Shabazz / Body
FS: Thompson / Wells /S. Montgomery
SS: Manuel / A. Johnson / Levine

A lot of these are pure guesses:
The OL could go an entirely different direction.
I'm not sure if the KGM to TE rumors are true.
I didn't really start anyone new either, and one or two of those guys could certainly be starters.
Who knows what they'll end up doing at QB with Nelson.
I think a lot of guys could switch positions (Rallis maybe to middle, more switching around with the DBs, OT moving to OG, etc.), but I'd assume right now, going into spring practice, most of the guys are going to be where they were last year until the coaches get to see them during spring ball.
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Moulton 3rd string slot???
 

Personally, I would like to see Maye, Harbison AND McDonald redshirted. I know it's not going to happen, but I would like to have Nelson and the two receivers as seniors at the same time.
Other than the freshman, this is who we have listed at WR currently:
Seniors: Brandon Green and Ge'Shun Harris
Juniors: Vic Keise and Malcolm Moulton
Sophomores: Isaac Fruechte, Logan Hutton, Cameron Wilson, Marcus Jones, Drew Crawford-Tufts

That's got to be enough depth to redshirt the freshman.
 

RoyalGopher said:
Moulton 3rd string slot???
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Yeah, it felt weird putting him there and I imagine he'll see more PT because of different packages (when Harbison is on the outside), but yeah, I don't think Harbison RS. Moulton will play some on the outside as well. It wouldn't shock me if he starts or is third string, I just didn't know where else to put him.
 

RoyalGopher said:
Personally, I would like to see Maye, Harbison AND McDonald redshirted. I know it's not going to happen, but I would like to have Nelson and the two receivers as seniors at the same time.
Other than the freshman, this is who we have listed at WR currently:
Seniors: Brandon Green and Ge'Shun Harris
Juniors: Vic Keise and Malcolm Moulton
Sophomores: Isaac Fruechte, Logan Hutton, Cameron Wilson, Marcus Jones, Drew Crawford-Tufts

That's got to be enough depth to redshirt the freshman.
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The only thing tough about that is that:
Green, DCT, M. Jones, and Moulton are the only ones who have really done anything. It's hard to count on Hutton, Wilson, or even Kiese when the coaching staff didn't count on them last year despite our issues with depth. It's hard to imagine our staff will count on them a lot this year with the infusion of talent at the WR position (they could improve too).

I hear what you're saying though. I do think Maye will be RS. Harbison, there is chance. I think that chance is much smaller considering Jones is coming off an injury (I actually think there is about as much of a chance that Jones get RS)
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The only thing tough about that is that:
Green, DCT, M. Jones, and Moulton are the only ones who have really done anything. It's hard to count on Hutton, Wilson, or even Kiese when the coaching staff didn't count on them last year despite our issues with depth. It's hard to imagine our staff will count on them a lot this year with the infusion of talent at the WR position (they could improve too).

I hear what you're saying though. I do think Maye will be RS. Harbison, there is chance. I think that chance is much smaller considering Jones is coming off an injury (I actually think there is about as much of a chance that Jones get RS)
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I get what your saying. I'd just rather have Harbison and McDonald as 5th year seniors with Nelson and a good line. If they play as true freshman, they're only going to get about 10 catches each anyway.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Well, I think anyone (incuding the coaches) would just be guessing right now, but i'll throw out a guess.

QB: Gray / Shortell / Foreman (RS: Nelson and Leidner)
RB: Kirkwood / Gillum / Cobb (RS: Williams)
H-Back: Maxx Williams / M. Henry
TE: Rabe / KGM / Goodger
WR: DCT / McDonald / Kiese
WR: Fruechte / Green
Slot: Jones / Harbison / Moulton
OT: E. Olson / Lenkiawicz
OG: T. Olson / Bak
C: Epping / Christensen
OG: Campion / Bjorklund
OT: Gjere / Bush
DE: Amafula / Cockran
DT: Hageman / R. Johnson /
DT: Botticelli / Jacques /
DE: Wilhite / Garin /
OLB: Cooper / Edwards
MLB: Matilus / Hill / R. Grant
OLB: Rallis / Reeves
CB: Stoud / Carter / Baltazar
CB: Vereen / Shabazz / Body
FS: Thompson / Wells /S. Montgomery
SS: Manuel / A. Johnson / Levine

A lot of these are pure guesses:
The OL could go an entirely different direction.
I'm not sure if the KGM to TE rumors are true.
I didn't really start anyone new either, and one or two of those guys could certainly be starters.
Who knows what they'll end up doing at QB with Nelson.
I think a lot of guys could switch positions (Rallis maybe to middle, more switching
around with the DBs, OT moving to OG, etc.), but I'd assume right now, going into
spring practice, most of the guys are going to be where they were last year until the coaches get to see them during spring ball.
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I agree with one exception; I believe Beal will be in the opening day lineup.
 

RoyalGopher said:
Personally, I would like to see Maye, Harbison AND McDonald redshirted. I know it's not going to happen, but I would like to have Nelson and the two receivers as seniors at the same time.
Other than the freshman, this is who we have listed at WR currently:
Seniors: Brandon Green and Ge'Shun Harris
Juniors: Vic Keise and Malcolm Moulton
Sophomores: Isaac Fruechte, Logan Hutton, Cameron Wilson, Marcus Jones, Drew Crawford-Tufts

That's got to be enough depth to redshirt the freshman.
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I've thought about the possibility of redshirting one, maybe even two of those guys. But at the moment we know absolutely nothing about Hutton or Wilson, Ge'Shun was barely heard from as well, and, although he seems to have a great personality, it can't be denied that Vic Keise dropped almost everything that was thrown his way last year.

Brandon Green has earned playing time if he can stay healthy. I think DCT will probably start opposite him. After that? Jones and Moulton had mixed results, but both show potential as shifty speedsters. It could be hobbled together to form a decent squad, but I think it's far more likely the staff will go to the well. They don't seem that interested in redshirting if a kid can help them now.
 

None of us knows. Anyone pretending to know anything is full of $hit.

Let the competitions begin, and let the Coaches decide.
 

Balancing the classes

I am sure one of Kill's objectives this year will be balancing the classes. This year's class (2016) presently has 22 scholarship players excluding JV transfers but including two potential gray shirts. The 2015 class now only has 11 scholarship players. Because of this and Kill’s desire for more bodies and talent now, I would expect at least 6 to 8 players from the 2016 class will play this year and probably another 2 will be gray shirted. This will then leave this year classs (2016) at 12 to 14 scholarships but increase the 2015 by 6 to 8 players. It appears it is going to take some time to balance the classes but it is getting there. Based on the assumptions above the present scholarships for each of the classes will be (Please Note: This clearly will change because of other factors).
  • 2012 Class = 13 Scholarships
  • 2013 Class = 18 Scholarships
  • 2014 Class = 24 Scholarships
  • 2015 Class = 17 to 19 Scholarships
  • 2016 Class = 12 to 14 Scholarships
 

Dr.Don said:
None of us knows. Anyone pretending to know anything is full of $hit.

Let the competitions begin, and let the Coaches decide.
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This is such a trite and predictable thing to say, and it's almost entirely unfounded. We return about half of our starters, and you can certainly pencil them as starting next season. I know that everyone likes to talk about competition and blah blah, but the reality is that if you were starting for the coaching staff in the previous season, it's statistically very unlikely you're going to be benched going into the next season. Marqueis, Brandon Green, Ed Olson, John Rabe, Troy Stoudermire, Keanon Cooper and Mike Rallis are all locks to be starting next season.That's already 1/3 of the starting lineup. I think it's pretty safe to bet that Tommy Olson, Brock Vereen, Zac Epping, and Ra'Shede Hageman will be starting as well, so that brings us up to half the lineup.

As for the other spots, of course there will be competition, and there are a variety of options. But, almost all of them are knowable. There are only so many runningbacks, for example, and it's an entirely reasonable debate to have. Nobody is going to know more than the coaches, and the coaches probably don't know for sure in some cases, but you can make reasonable judgments based on previous games, practices, comments by the coaches, etc.

If you have access to the coaches and get them to share some of the information, great, do it. If not, either join the debate or don't.
 

Bad News Dr. Don

Dr.Don said:
None of us knows. Anyone pretending to know anything is full of $hit.

Let the competitions begin, and let the Coaches decide.
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I am afraid you are going to have to wait until March 21st. Meanwhile there should be plenty of pissing matches for you to ref.
 

But be sure to spell the names correctly or the GopherProf will be on your case i.e. gopherhole police
 

Doc1001 said:
But be sure to spell the names correctly or the GopherProf will be on your case i.e. gopherhole police
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Oh lighten up, I was just giving you a hard time because you said to "mark it down." I spell Marqueis wrong all the time.
 

Depth Chart

I agree that Keise had dropsy when passes were thrown his way, but I recall the Brewster staff reporting that when they scouted Kiese he caught everything thrown near him. I wonder what has happened to him.
 

reports are DCT and Engel are running the fastest times with Engel having the highest vertical . Coach's want guys to stretch the field and these two have proven that in workouts and game experience. I can see these two on the outside with Green/ Moulton/Jones/Fuechette in the slots for underneath plays. We will have much more team speed and deep threats to get man on man coverage. They will use Gray on roll-outs drawing the safeties up for wide open post plays to stroke the post. Kill like deep speed to open up the running game and QB sneaks. We have lots of dept this year. Wide open for spring competition.
 


Beal is out re-habbing this spring and will be ready for August camp. Coach Kill mentioned this recently on the WCCO Sun program.
 

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